Rice Cooker Hacks - The Ebert Way(priceonomics.com)
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Rice Cooker Hacks - The Ebert Way
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Minor nitpick: bread in portuguese = pão, bread in spanish = pan
While you're correct, it is historically a loanword from Portuguese, not from Spanish. You can verify this in your favorite 国語辞典 if you want to. Like many loanwords, the pronunciation got corrupted a bit. (An example in the other direction: Godzilla, which you'd have to take several stabs at before a Japanese person guessed you meant gojira.)
Ão is a notoriously difficult diphthong to pronounce for many native speakers of other languages. Wikipedia says that it was even used as a shibboleth in the Paraguayan War, but it doesn't cite sources.
which sounds just enough like "pahng" that a non-portuguese, learning about bread might turn it into "pang" or "bbang" or "bao" depending.
The "Ja-pan #2" is likely in reference to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakitate!!_Japan
From the "List of Ja-pan": "Ja-pan #2: Suihan ja-pan (a Suihan is any automatic rice-cooker)recipe in chapter 13"
From the "List of Ja-pan": "Ja-pan #2: Suihan ja-pan (a Suihan is any automatic rice-cooker)recipe in chapter 13"
Yakitake!! is deservedly one of my favourite all time Japanese shows. None of my friends understand why I like it, but then again, none of my friends have watched it.
As soon as I saw these images, I knew exactly where they were from (it's an audience participation segment of the show).
[edit] The protagonist of the show is upset that while many other countries have their own bread (eg French Bread) Japan does not. He sets out to find the perfect Japanese Bread, and in the process creates a series of different breads labelled Ja-pan #1, Ja-pan #2 etc. It's a great show. He has extremely warm hands, which help when kneading the dough.
As soon as I saw these images, I knew exactly where they were from (it's an audience participation segment of the show).
[edit] The protagonist of the show is upset that while many other countries have their own bread (eg French Bread) Japan does not. He sets out to find the perfect Japanese Bread, and in the process creates a series of different breads labelled Ja-pan #1, Ja-pan #2 etc. It's a great show. He has extremely warm hands, which help when kneading the dough.
In the anime, they actually explained how to cook bread in a rice cooker at the end of one episode.
I think I just died a little inside.
I get it. I'm dabbling in japanese currently and love puns like these.
Posts like this take the unfortunate (and very American) view of food as fuel, an absolute necessity that you have to get out of the way as cheaply and efficiently as possible. Good food, in that view, is anything where the taste isn't painful.
As a foodie, this pains me to see. You cannot cook anything good in a rice maker anymore than you can a microwave except, of course, rice. You cannot cook anything good with a bouillon cube (at bare minimum, buy some decent frozen stock from your local soup store) regardless of technique. Good food to me is worth the time it takes to make.
On the other hand, I can understand why people choose to optimize other parts of their life in this way. I constantly remind myself that not everyone wants to spend their Sunday making a quiche and an heirloom bean soup to eat for breakfast and lunch all week. Not everyone wants to roast a chicken every week, save the carcasses, then make a stock once a month. That's fine.
But I think everyone should experience it before settling for a life of rice-cooker meals.
As a foodie, this pains me to see. You cannot cook anything good in a rice maker anymore than you can a microwave except, of course, rice. You cannot cook anything good with a bouillon cube (at bare minimum, buy some decent frozen stock from your local soup store) regardless of technique. Good food to me is worth the time it takes to make.
On the other hand, I can understand why people choose to optimize other parts of their life in this way. I constantly remind myself that not everyone wants to spend their Sunday making a quiche and an heirloom bean soup to eat for breakfast and lunch all week. Not everyone wants to roast a chicken every week, save the carcasses, then make a stock once a month. That's fine.
But I think everyone should experience it before settling for a life of rice-cooker meals.
Heh, a bit over the top wouldn't you say? Do you consider the car you drive "your statement of worth" or the designers who designed your clothes "the most important voices of style this century" ?
Accept that you are a foodie, great. Accept that there are non-foodies too.
We had a discussion here a while back about "living" on a couple hundred dollars a month for food in the Bay Area. That is a very real sort of challenge if you're bootstrapping a company. And if you can "cook" your meals with maybe 15 minutes of chopping some ingredients and throwing them into a cooker and then going away for an hour, that is a good use of your time [1]. And its a lot better for you than Raman.
So sure, you're not going to win an Iron Chef competition with a rice cooker but its a much better way of keeping yourself fed on a budget than eating pre-prepared food.
[1] One of the huge benefits of rice cookers over other cooking methods is they automatically switch off and go into 'warm' mode, this allows a distracted person to come back in 1 - 4 hrs after starting the 'meal' and eat it nice and hot. If you're coding this is priceless.
Accept that you are a foodie, great. Accept that there are non-foodies too.
We had a discussion here a while back about "living" on a couple hundred dollars a month for food in the Bay Area. That is a very real sort of challenge if you're bootstrapping a company. And if you can "cook" your meals with maybe 15 minutes of chopping some ingredients and throwing them into a cooker and then going away for an hour, that is a good use of your time [1]. And its a lot better for you than Raman.
So sure, you're not going to win an Iron Chef competition with a rice cooker but its a much better way of keeping yourself fed on a budget than eating pre-prepared food.
[1] One of the huge benefits of rice cookers over other cooking methods is they automatically switch off and go into 'warm' mode, this allows a distracted person to come back in 1 - 4 hrs after starting the 'meal' and eat it nice and hot. If you're coding this is priceless.
"Accept that you are a foodie, great. Accept that there are non-foodies too."
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I said in the penultimate paragraph. I just want people to try real food, both eating and cooking. Then if you want to go back to rice cookers at least you'll know what the alternative was.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I said in the penultimate paragraph. I just want people to try real food, both eating and cooking. Then if you want to go back to rice cookers at least you'll know what the alternative was.
I know, its your sentence construction. Consider this sentence: "I just want people to try real food, both eating and cooking."
When you say it like that, "real food," you imply that food made in a rice cooker is some how not "real". Which it clearly is for the dictionary definition of the word real, so it reads like you've got this whole value judgement thing going on about the definition of "real."
You're not showing acceptance, your trying to educate the people so that they can see the correctness of your world view.
If you accept non-foodie folks, those who eat to live rather than live to eat, then you phrase this thusly;
"Cooking food in a rice cooker is very convenient and as the article states it can keep you fed with nutritious food while minimizing cost and effort, However, when you choose to cook food this way you miss out on opportunities for an even richer food experience which do not require a lot more effort." -- followed by exposition on things your missing out on and how one can achieve them economically.
You see, acceptance in the first part, new information to share in the second. Same message, different connotation. Be nice.
When you say it like that, "real food," you imply that food made in a rice cooker is some how not "real". Which it clearly is for the dictionary definition of the word real, so it reads like you've got this whole value judgement thing going on about the definition of "real."
You're not showing acceptance, your trying to educate the people so that they can see the correctness of your world view.
If you accept non-foodie folks, those who eat to live rather than live to eat, then you phrase this thusly;
"Cooking food in a rice cooker is very convenient and as the article states it can keep you fed with nutritious food while minimizing cost and effort, However, when you choose to cook food this way you miss out on opportunities for an even richer food experience which do not require a lot more effort." -- followed by exposition on things your missing out on and how one can achieve them economically.
You see, acceptance in the first part, new information to share in the second. Same message, different connotation. Be nice.
> I just want people to try real food, both eating and cooking. Then if you want to go back to rice cookers at least you'll know what the alternative was.
Don't be silly. Rice cookers are simply another cooking tool, and it's perfectly possible to make lovely and delicious (and, yes, "real") food in one.
The styles available are different than they are with e.g., a frying pan, but the only thing stopping you from making good food in a rice cooker is your own (obvious) preconceptions.
Don't be silly. Rice cookers are simply another cooking tool, and it's perfectly possible to make lovely and delicious (and, yes, "real") food in one.
The styles available are different than they are with e.g., a frying pan, but the only thing stopping you from making good food in a rice cooker is your own (obvious) preconceptions.
"I just want people to try real cars, like Lamborghini. Then if you want to go back to cheap Chevrolets, at least you'll know what the alternative was."
Maybe that illustrates the problem better.
Maybe that illustrates the problem better.
That makes it about money, which my statement was very much not. It doesn't cost anymore to cook the right way than to do it in a rice cooker. Just takes effort.
I think everyone should hire or test drive a Lamborghini or similar once in their life. If you don't care enough to buy one then fine, but you've got to try it.
> We had a discussion here a while back about "living" on a couple hundred dollars a month for food in the Bay Area.
Got a link? Couldn't find anything with HNSearch.
Got a link? Couldn't find anything with HNSearch.
The rice cooker meals are a gateway to more serious cooking. If we're honest with ourselves, the alternative for most nerds isn't "better cooking"; it's In N Out Burger.
Always happy to see you commenting here, but a suggestion in this case would be to come up with the list of next steps forward for people embarking on cooking rice-cooker style. I already gave one (switch to a better protein than chicken breasts), but there's got to be many more.
Always happy to see you commenting here, but a suggestion in this case would be to come up with the list of next steps forward for people embarking on cooking rice-cooker style. I already gave one (switch to a better protein than chicken breasts), but there's got to be many more.
Hmm. I don't really know. I tend to be a pretty all or nothing person (shocker right?) so the day I decided I wanted to learn to cook, I bought books like The French Laundry cookbook and the Culinary Institute of America's textbook. I'd tell someone who really wants to learn to cook to use rice makers for making rice.
If someone was really interested in learning to cook, I'd tell them to get Ruhlman's 20 and Ad Hoc at Home. Both are relatively approachable and explain technique rather than just list off ingredients and instructions. Then work your way up the Thomas Keller chain (Bouchon, then TFL) because not only is he on everyone's short list for best chef in the world, but he puts a huge amount of effort into the books, even down to the typography, which a lot of other great chefs don't. (John Besh's book is great too btw.) He really goes out of his way to explain why he does the things he does.
If someone was really interested in learning to cook, I'd tell them to get Ruhlman's 20 and Ad Hoc at Home. Both are relatively approachable and explain technique rather than just list off ingredients and instructions. Then work your way up the Thomas Keller chain (Bouchon, then TFL) because not only is he on everyone's short list for best chef in the world, but he puts a huge amount of effort into the books, even down to the typography, which a lot of other great chefs don't. (John Besh's book is great too btw.) He really goes out of his way to explain why he does the things he does.
Ruhlman's Twenty is a great first cooking book. Heartily seconded. I'd get "Ratio", and the Kindle version of "The Flavor Bible", to accompany it. That'll set you up for a lifetime of cooking without ever looking up a recipe again.
(Keller's books are all Ruhlman's writing, right?)
(Keller's books are all Ruhlman's writing, right?)
Thanks. I already know "Ratio" as a good introductionary text. I shall get the others as well.
I think he helped on TFL and Bouchon, yeah. Bouchon is a great book too.
I don't really like Ad Hoc at Home. It's IMHO unnecessary in terms of techniques and complexity. I don't need to blanch my vegetables to make dinner for my family. Admittedly I wasn't wowed by my meal at Per Se either. I would like to go to TFL though.
I do worship Rulhman though. I also recommend Jennifer McLagan's books for working with nose to tail basics like stock and animal fats.
I usually recommend people visit really good restaurants and seek out books by their favorite chefs. That really got me into Asian cooking through being a fan of the Momofuku restaurants.
I do worship Rulhman though. I also recommend Jennifer McLagan's books for working with nose to tail basics like stock and animal fats.
I usually recommend people visit really good restaurants and seek out books by their favorite chefs. That really got me into Asian cooking through being a fan of the Momofuku restaurants.
The Momofuku cookbook is just fantastic. Fish sauce vinaigrette is the best thing ever.
Get a pressure cooker, put some beans in there, and call it a day.
This is interesting because I've seen the opposite trend. You seem to view food as a kind of art (and more power to you), but many people hold the very American view that food is magic. It's medicine for sadness, it's a symbol of manliness, it's a aesthetic necessity--it's anything BUT fuel for your body.
Americans are very overweight, and the reason is that they somehow do NOT view food as fuel. If they did see it this way, they would use the right fuel to power the body correctly, and enough but not too much. That's unfortunately not the case.
What I can believe though is that many people who view food as an emotional companion don't have the refined taste that you have, and so they end up eating too much bad food that's also bad for them.
Americans are very overweight, and the reason is that they somehow do NOT view food as fuel. If they did see it this way, they would use the right fuel to power the body correctly, and enough but not too much. That's unfortunately not the case.
What I can believe though is that many people who view food as an emotional companion don't have the refined taste that you have, and so they end up eating too much bad food that's also bad for them.
I definitely see this the other way around. It's like music or art--people who don't care about an aesthetic pursuit are going to be the ones who never develop a "refined taste." And the pop music of food consists of sugar, refined carbs, and fat. Big, bold flavors. Just as people rarely appreciate subtle, nuanced musical pieces if they aren't "into" music, people who aren't "into" food end up only really enjoying the obvious flavors that happen to be terrible for them.
> Americans are very overweight
Stereotypically, sure.
> and the reason is that they somehow do NOT view food as fuel.
Or they've been fed a lot of lies about how some foods are 'good' and some are 'bad' without regard for context, or the simple fact that caloric intake is vital in weight control.
Stereotypically, sure.
> and the reason is that they somehow do NOT view food as fuel.
Or they've been fed a lot of lies about how some foods are 'good' and some are 'bad' without regard for context, or the simple fact that caloric intake is vital in weight control.
As a foodie, this pains me to see.
Let's see your music collection. As a music snob, I believe you should have to account for my interpretation of your taste.
Let's see your music collection. As a music snob, I believe you should have to account for my interpretation of your taste.
"You cannot cook anything good in a rice maker anymore than you can a microwave except, of course, rice."
Apparently you are unfamiliar with Sous-Vide cooking style. I've only recently discovered it, and I have been making the best chicken I've ever tasted.
Sous-Vide (roughly french for under-vacuum), is a technique whereby you vacuum seal the food you wish to cook in a bag (usually proteins, but veggies will work too). You then cook this sealed food in water at the precise temperature you wish the center to be. In other words, I want my chicken to be 148F through out, so I get the water temperature steady at 148F (with chicken in place). You have to cook it for a longer time to be sure it is safe to eat, but man is it worth it. There are charts out there that show the time-vs-temperature relation for safe cooking.
After you have cooked it long enough, you can leave it in the water until guests arrive. Then do the final prep. For me this means heating a pan to about 400F with oil and seasoning and then quickly searing the chicken. Or sometimes I'll shred the chicken for a caserole.
It's marvelous.
I do this on a gas stove top, which requires practice to keep the temperature level, but you can buy a machine to do it for you. High end restaurants use these to perfectly cook a steak, and then do a final sear. Sous-Vide Supreme is one brand I know.
However if you wish to do it yourself, all you need is a simple rice cooker with an on off switch and a PID temperature controller. You can buy a PID controller, or make one yourself with arduino.
It's really a fantastic way to cook. Best food ever. From a rice cooker.
Apparently you are unfamiliar with Sous-Vide cooking style. I've only recently discovered it, and I have been making the best chicken I've ever tasted.
Sous-Vide (roughly french for under-vacuum), is a technique whereby you vacuum seal the food you wish to cook in a bag (usually proteins, but veggies will work too). You then cook this sealed food in water at the precise temperature you wish the center to be. In other words, I want my chicken to be 148F through out, so I get the water temperature steady at 148F (with chicken in place). You have to cook it for a longer time to be sure it is safe to eat, but man is it worth it. There are charts out there that show the time-vs-temperature relation for safe cooking.
After you have cooked it long enough, you can leave it in the water until guests arrive. Then do the final prep. For me this means heating a pan to about 400F with oil and seasoning and then quickly searing the chicken. Or sometimes I'll shred the chicken for a caserole.
It's marvelous.
I do this on a gas stove top, which requires practice to keep the temperature level, but you can buy a machine to do it for you. High end restaurants use these to perfectly cook a steak, and then do a final sear. Sous-Vide Supreme is one brand I know.
However if you wish to do it yourself, all you need is a simple rice cooker with an on off switch and a PID temperature controller. You can buy a PID controller, or make one yourself with arduino.
It's really a fantastic way to cook. Best food ever. From a rice cooker.
I am familiar with sous-vide, but it is very much not a rice cooker. That's like saying assembly is the same as Python.
A good poly-science costs what, $700? I did see a cool-looking immersion circulator on Kickstarter for I think under $200 a few months back, I should try to find it again.
And you still need to rip and char at the end for maillard reactions! But yeah, they're bad ass. Easiest way to poach an egg too.
A good poly-science costs what, $700? I did see a cool-looking immersion circulator on Kickstarter for I think under $200 a few months back, I should try to find it again.
And you still need to rip and char at the end for maillard reactions! But yeah, they're bad ass. Easiest way to poach an egg too.
Hook a $100-ish PID controller up to the rice cooker. (Personally I hook it up to a crockpot but, more or less, same difference--some say a big rice cooker is actually better for this than a crock pot.) You do of course, need, a vacuum sealer as well although you can experiment with ziplocks that you've squeezed the air out of.
I'm actually not really a sous vide religious convert. But I did put together a setup and, for certain types of food, it's actually really convenient.
I'm actually not really a sous vide religious convert. But I did put together a setup and, for certain types of food, it's actually really convenient.
How do you circulate the water?
You don't need to circulate the water in a rice cooker. You do get more variation in temperature than you would get with a real circulator, but it's not enough to matter unless you're doing fussy egg cooking. For most cooking, a noncirculated rice cooker water bath worked just great for me.
Convection vs. circulation. The heat comes from the bottom with rice cookers and crockpots.
Aquarium pumps work quite well, but it is not strictly necessary.
I'm going to have to try this because why not?
They sell 1 brand of SV machine for 180ish on amazon, and another for 350-500.
> A good poly-science costs what, $700?
Rather expensive, then, for most of the world.
Rather expensive, then, for most of the world.
The only people who really need Polyscience circulators are restaurants and food service professionals. The advantage of the Polyscience circulator over the $200-$300 alternatives (or the $100-150 Auber DIY setups, or the $50-75 full DIY setups) is mostly volume. If you need to queue up 100 servings of protein every day, the cheap setup isn't going to cut it, and also poses HACCP issues.
I use an Auber PID [1] with a crockpot. I "vacuum" seal by submerging food in ziploc baggies in a sink full of water. It all works fine, I've never felt like I needed to drop hundreds of dollars on fancy equipment.
[1] http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&...
[1] http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&...
I still do the ziploc thing. It's fraught, but worth it for the convenience.
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> You cannot cook anything good in a rice maker anymore than you can a microwave except, of course, rice.
This is silly in the extreme. A rice cooker is just a pot with a built-in heating element and a sensor to tell when the water has boiled off.
Most dishes you can make in one pot, you can make equally well in a rice cooker. (The exception being when you need to carefully control the heat.) Do you really think it's impossible to make a good one-pot meal?
This is silly in the extreme. A rice cooker is just a pot with a built-in heating element and a sensor to tell when the water has boiled off.
Most dishes you can make in one pot, you can make equally well in a rice cooker. (The exception being when you need to carefully control the heat.) Do you really think it's impossible to make a good one-pot meal?
That's a large enough exception that one pot cooking and rice cooker cooking are two very different things. You can make some good meals in one pot, but you're doing things like browning meat in it, then sweating onions, then adding in whatever else. I make a mean poulet basquaise in a dutch oven, but couldn't make it in a rice cooker.
Can you somehow get a maillard reaction to occur in a rice cooker? Or caramelization?
Can you somehow get a maillard reaction to occur in a rice cooker? Or caramelization?
You can definitely get browning in a rice cooker, but it usually means you've done something wrong. This is very definitely a downside of Ebert's rice-cooker meals.
"Can you somehow get a maillard reaction to occur in a rice cooker? Or caramelization?"
You can use ingredients that already have these. Like I use onions I caramelized before hand and top a lot of my dishes with meat that I browned. You can get some browning in a rice cooker if you need to though. Actually some rice cookers are made specially to do that. The ones that target the Middle Eastern market produce rice with something called a "tadig" which means that the bottom rice has turned crispy and brown- ideally with ghee put in the bottom of the pot before the rice was added. My rice cooker produces that and I typically take it out, break it up, and mix it in with the dish so there are lovely crunchy bits.
You can use ingredients that already have these. Like I use onions I caramelized before hand and top a lot of my dishes with meat that I browned. You can get some browning in a rice cooker if you need to though. Actually some rice cookers are made specially to do that. The ones that target the Middle Eastern market produce rice with something called a "tadig" which means that the bottom rice has turned crispy and brown- ideally with ghee put in the bottom of the pot before the rice was added. My rice cooker produces that and I typically take it out, break it up, and mix it in with the dish so there are lovely crunchy bits.
You can in some limited cases. E.g. you can make dulce de leche au bain marie. You probably won't have much success searing your meat au bain marie though ;-)
But a bain marie is sorta two pots though :)
from your local soup store
Where does one need to live to find soup stores? I've never seen one in a half century of living.
Where does one need to live to find soup stores? I've never seen one in a half century of living.
It is actually not very difficult to make stock, except you have to wait some hours for it to cook, so I guess lack of time to cook is the driving force behind soup stores. However, if you don't have the time to cook stock it is likely that you also lack the time to cook the rest of the meal to a quality that matches the expensive stock...
The bottled stock you can get in regular supermarkets is also better than the cubes. I can recommend it.
The bottled stock you can get in regular supermarkets is also better than the cubes. I can recommend it.
Boxed stock (the "organic" stuff and the "low-sodium" stuff) is uniformly terrible compared to real stock. I'm not quite as aggressive about this as Michael "USE WATER INSTEAD" Ruhlman is, but he's right: box stock makes dishes taste muddy and don't bring much real flavor to the party.
Real stock does take time, but it's unattended time. The trick is to do it in the oven instead of on your cooktop. A slow oven running all day with some chicken bones and some wings will produce reliably good stock.
Real stock does take time, but it's unattended time. The trick is to do it in the oven instead of on your cooktop. A slow oven running all day with some chicken bones and some wings will produce reliably good stock.
Won't it be cloudy? I'll admit I'm far from an expert, but culinary school teaches you that you must skim constantly. Otherwise those particles break down and the denatured proteins dissolve back in and you're left with cloudy stock.
I don't skim constantly. If I wanted consomme, I'd use gelatin clarification. I just want stock to braise with or make heavy soup with.
Maybe I read too many Thomas Keller books :) He'd yell at you for not skimming.
Here's Ruhlman's take (he wrote Keller's cookbook, and also "The Making Of A Chef", from which I learned that stocks are adequately clarified only when you can read the date off a dime at the bottom of the pot).
http://ruhlman.com/2011/04/easy-chicken-stock-recipe/
I skim once or twice, but really I just roast bones, stick 'em in a pot, cover with water, and leave it in the oven all day.
I roast a lot of chickens; at least 2 a week, but often more; it is my lazy weeknight dinner for the family. This is unrelated to the thread, but if you haven't seen this video, I highly recommend you drop everything and watch it; it is the greatest thing on the Internet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAekQ5fzfGM
I bone out every chicken to the legs and roast for 40 minutes or so; it's bulletproof. I've gotten pretty fast at boning out birds.
http://ruhlman.com/2011/04/easy-chicken-stock-recipe/
I skim once or twice, but really I just roast bones, stick 'em in a pot, cover with water, and leave it in the oven all day.
I roast a lot of chickens; at least 2 a week, but often more; it is my lazy weeknight dinner for the family. This is unrelated to the thread, but if you haven't seen this video, I highly recommend you drop everything and watch it; it is the greatest thing on the Internet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAekQ5fzfGM
I bone out every chicken to the legs and roast for 40 minutes or so; it's bulletproof. I've gotten pretty fast at boning out birds.
Do HN folks who get into cooking all follow the same path? I read "Kitchen Confidential" for fun, then moved on to "The Making of A Chef" and Keller's cookbooks when I got more interested.
My partners and I all read Kitchen Confidential shortly before starting the company; it is a really great startup book, even though it has nothing at all to do with startups.
I am curious how long it takes you to completely bone out a chicken. In Chinese Cooking Class, good old Gabriel Chen could do it in a very short period of time.
I'm a little slow and can still do it in maybe 2 minutes. It's really one of those things that just takes practice.
I just truss and roast whole, probably once a week or so. Basically the recipe in the beginning of the Bouchon cookbook.
I used to do that. That's what Ruhlman says in his sex chicken recipe, too. But boned out and flattened whole chickens make extra extra crispy skin, cook faster, and are especially easy to stuff with butter or sausage.
In some cuisines, like Korean, there are dishes that are made specially with a cloudy stock. If you are a home cook it shouldn't matter so much. It's mostly an aesthetic issue, although if a stock is particularly fatty I will clarify it.
I know of a couple in San Francisco. One in Cleveland. See them in almost any city. Remember the Soup Nazi from Seinfeld?
That explains it. You probably have no idea how fortunate you are.
I'll be the first to admit to being fortunate, but I don't think that makes me a rarity here.
Fair enough. For some reason Wierd Al's old movie UHF comes to mind, where he has a fake ad for a store that specializes in just spatulas. I bet San Fran and New York have one of these, too. ;-)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2XbCWmY0eqY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2XbCWmY0eqY
A benefit of larger cities is more specialized stores, for sure.
Locally to me in London, are The Spice Shop (just spices and spice mixes) and Clerkenwell Screws (comprehensive stock of nuts and bolts in all thread pitches, people behind the counter with 50+ years of experience recognizing and sourcing screws).
Locally to me in London, are The Spice Shop (just spices and spice mixes) and Clerkenwell Screws (comprehensive stock of nuts and bolts in all thread pitches, people behind the counter with 50+ years of experience recognizing and sourcing screws).
You would cringe if you saw what I just ate.
Made some spaghetti last night, with sauteed onions and mushrooms, with olive oil as sauce. Heated it up today in the microwave, but not long enough, so I just ate it cold, shoveling it into my mouth while reading.
Sometimes I like taking the time to make good food. But most of the time, food is just calories and nutrients.
(I've also had friends tell me that I should become more of a connoisseur of food, or coffee, or wine - but then, I'd never be able to enjoy the food/coffee/wine that I do now because it would taste like crap by comparison.)
Made some spaghetti last night, with sauteed onions and mushrooms, with olive oil as sauce. Heated it up today in the microwave, but not long enough, so I just ate it cold, shoveling it into my mouth while reading.
Sometimes I like taking the time to make good food. But most of the time, food is just calories and nutrients.
(I've also had friends tell me that I should become more of a connoisseur of food, or coffee, or wine - but then, I'd never be able to enjoy the food/coffee/wine that I do now because it would taste like crap by comparison.)
Nicer food doesn't need to be a lot of work. For example: cook spaghetti, remove water, add in crushed garlic (raw!), some olive oil, pepper & salt and eat with cheese. Of course this isn't a great dish, but tastes much better than what you made for less work. If you have two minutes more time we can extend this recipe: put all the ingredients plus grilled pine nuts and a whole bunch of basil leaves into a blender (except the spaghetti and the cheese of course), and you have a very nice pesto.
Normal things usually don't take more than 20 minutes of attention. Stews are excellent: you just throw everything in and let the stove do the work and you have food for multiple days. Going further you have foods that you probably wouldn't cook for yourself but you can cook when you have people over for dinner. Stuff like tiramisu or chocolate mousse don't take more than 20 minutes to prepare. Making your own mayonnaise takes 2 minutes, and you can make it a bit different for example by replacing the vinegar with lime juice (excellent with fish). Then there are things that do take a bit more time (sushi, ravioli and pizza for example), but even this doesn't take more than 30-40 minutes (of course there exists things that take a long time to cook, but that's not necessary for serving a tasty meal).
Normal things usually don't take more than 20 minutes of attention. Stews are excellent: you just throw everything in and let the stove do the work and you have food for multiple days. Going further you have foods that you probably wouldn't cook for yourself but you can cook when you have people over for dinner. Stuff like tiramisu or chocolate mousse don't take more than 20 minutes to prepare. Making your own mayonnaise takes 2 minutes, and you can make it a bit different for example by replacing the vinegar with lime juice (excellent with fish). Then there are things that do take a bit more time (sushi, ravioli and pizza for example), but even this doesn't take more than 30-40 minutes (of course there exists things that take a long time to cook, but that's not necessary for serving a tasty meal).
Then you get into classical French cooking... :)
> add in crushed garlic (raw!)
Assuming you have access to this, which foodies implicitly assume you do.
Assuming you have access to this, which foodies implicitly assume you do.
OP used mushrooms. If you can get mushrooms, you can get garlic.
Can't you buy this for 2 cents per clove of garlic at the supermarket?
> Can't you buy this for 2 cents per clove of garlic at the supermarket?
Look up 'food deserts' sometime:
http://www.cdc.gov/features/fooddeserts/
http://www.fooddesert.net/
Look up 'food deserts' sometime:
http://www.cdc.gov/features/fooddeserts/
http://www.fooddesert.net/
This is really epsilon from trolling. You could just as effectively have pointed out that there are people in Sub-Saharan Africa that don't have access to food at all.
If you don't have access to garlic, you don't have access to food. You are no longer debating the merits of different techniques. Garlic is universal; it's an integral part of peasant food in Mexico, South America, Africa, and of course all of Asia. Garlic is not a luxury item.
If you don't have access to garlic, you don't have access to food. You are no longer debating the merits of different techniques. Garlic is universal; it's an integral part of peasant food in Mexico, South America, Africa, and of course all of Asia. Garlic is not a luxury item.
You're not reading my cites. I'm talking about food deserts in the US, places where the only place to buy food is a convenience store with either no fresh foods or massively overpriced fresh foods.
I'm well aware of what a "food desert" is. I live in Chicago. What I don't understand is what that has to do with garlic, or how you managed to somehow pivot from garlic to an addled, irrelevant argument about privilege.
I wouldn't care so much except you used the one food item gourmet cooking shares with all cooking around the world across every economic class everywhere to do it with, and I just couldn't handle it.
I wouldn't care so much except you used the one food item gourmet cooking shares with all cooking around the world across every economic class everywhere to do it with, and I just couldn't handle it.
> to an addled, irrelevant argument about privilege.
No, I did not. You're the one who brought up privilege.
> all cooking around the world across every economic class everywhere
Traditional cooking, maybe, but that is less and less relevant to what the underclasses actually eat in the First World these days, and food deserts explain why.
No, I did not. You're the one who brought up privilege.
> all cooking around the world across every economic class everywhere
Traditional cooking, maybe, but that is less and less relevant to what the underclasses actually eat in the First World these days, and food deserts explain why.
I fixed your garlic problem in your food desert:
http://www.amazon.com/Casa-Fruta-Fresh-Garlic-3lb/dp/B000Z8T...
The guy has access to onions and (gasp!) mushrooms, so he certainly has access to garlic. If you live in a place where you don't even have access to garlic that's very sad.
I had leftover Easy Mac that was made with Eggnog instead of milk because I had ran out.
It was sinfully delicious. Probably took a year off my life though.
It was sinfully delicious. Probably took a year off my life though.
> Probably took a year off my life though.
According to XKCD, all you have to do is pick up 2,629,742 pennies (individually) and you'll have your year back!
http://what-if.xkcd.com/22/ Science!
According to XKCD, all you have to do is pick up 2,629,742 pennies (individually) and you'll have your year back!
http://what-if.xkcd.com/22/ Science!
from outside, the american approach is going full-expert overboard about something that really is just part of everyday life.
you see this with all kinds of things - americans can't simply go for a walk, they have to be wearing the right specialised shoes; they can't simply read a book they have to be using an e-reader with a special package that provides the latest volume from their bookclub; they can't simply cook a meal they have to be a foodie that obsesses over the latest source of truffles; they can't...
obviously this is all caricature and cliche, but you yourself criticise others for being "very american" before acting out the same ritual.
you see this with all kinds of things - americans can't simply go for a walk, they have to be wearing the right specialised shoes; they can't simply read a book they have to be using an e-reader with a special package that provides the latest volume from their bookclub; they can't simply cook a meal they have to be a foodie that obsesses over the latest source of truffles; they can't...
obviously this is all caricature and cliche, but you yourself criticise others for being "very american" before acting out the same ritual.
Probably some of the best food I've ever eaten came from "tossing a bunch of stuff in a pot and letting it simmer for a while". You say you're a foodie, but if you don't like stews you're probably doing it wrong.
This comment doesn't make any sense. He didn't say he doesn't like braises, not liking braises doesn't make you "not a foodie", it's ridiculous to question whether someone "is" or "isn't" a foodie when they say they are, and the rice cooker only admits to a couple simple variants on braise applications. If you're making stews without browning your meat first, which you can't do in a rice cooker, you're doing it wrong.
In addition to not making any logical sense, pointlessly sniping at Matt doesn't add anything to the conversation. It would have been easy to disagree with him without doing that.
In addition to not making any logical sense, pointlessly sniping at Matt doesn't add anything to the conversation. It would have been easy to disagree with him without doing that.
If you include indonesian dishes (rendang, coconut type curries etc) in your stews category, then browning isn't an essential step. Meat is not browned first in indonesian cooking in my experience, I'm on the fence as to whether that detracts from the taste or not as I've never tried it with browning. I'm not allowed in the kitchen when my wife is cooking!
With western style stews though I think browning is an important step: I did a shin of beef stew in the slow cooker over the weekend in a hurry and it wasn't as good as if I'd have browned the meat first.
I'm a little weak on what the actual definition of a stew is, but rendang is chunks of beef that's cooked for a long time in a little liquid, so I guess that's close enough!
With western style stews though I think browning is an important step: I did a shin of beef stew in the slow cooker over the weekend in a hurry and it wasn't as good as if I'd have browned the meat first.
I'm a little weak on what the actual definition of a stew is, but rendang is chunks of beef that's cooked for a long time in a little liquid, so I guess that's close enough!
A braise is a slow wet cook of (usually) large pieces of meat (but short ribs are small, as are chicken thighs).
A stew is a braise where the meat is cut smaller, as if for a sautee, and where there is more liquid than meat.
The same cooking process is at play in both: long, low, slow, water-modulated breakdown of collagen into gelatin, with the liquid absorbing flavor and proteins from the meat and also melding all the flavors from all the ingredients, producing either a sauce or a soup in which to serve the meat.
I totally believe there are cultures that don't routinely brown meat before stewing, but they don't include Mexican, French, Italian, Spanish, Indian, Thai, or Chinese. Look up a beef curry recipe in David Thomas' Thai Food book, or a beef tendon stew recipe in a Chinese cookbook, or a lamb curry recipe in an Southern Indian cookbook.
Browning meat in a stew serves the same purpose that the fond serves in a pan sauce in French cooking. The maillard process creates objectively delicious meat flavors, which are then absorbed into the liquid.
A stew is a braise where the meat is cut smaller, as if for a sautee, and where there is more liquid than meat.
The same cooking process is at play in both: long, low, slow, water-modulated breakdown of collagen into gelatin, with the liquid absorbing flavor and proteins from the meat and also melding all the flavors from all the ingredients, producing either a sauce or a soup in which to serve the meat.
I totally believe there are cultures that don't routinely brown meat before stewing, but they don't include Mexican, French, Italian, Spanish, Indian, Thai, or Chinese. Look up a beef curry recipe in David Thomas' Thai Food book, or a beef tendon stew recipe in a Chinese cookbook, or a lamb curry recipe in an Southern Indian cookbook.
Browning meat in a stew serves the same purpose that the fond serves in a pan sauce in French cooking. The maillard process creates objectively delicious meat flavors, which are then absorbed into the liquid.
You are right, a lot of Asian cuisines rely on other strong flavors like fish sauce, tamarind, seaweed, and fermented pastes. With these you will not miss browning. You know you have learned how to cook Asian food when you can make delicious meat dishes without browning.
I have well-regarded Indian, Thai, and Chinese cookbooks, and they routinely brown meat for braise and stew dishes. I'm curious why browning would ever be a bad thing in a dish that uses tough meat (ie, stew meat).
I absolutely believe you that there are authentic dishes that don't rely on browning for flavor. I'm just curious what they are.
I absolutely believe you that there are authentic dishes that don't rely on browning for flavor. I'm just curious what they are.
Off the top of my head adobo and many Korean stews like kimchi and pork stew (Dwaejigogi Kimchijjigae). Browning isn't a bad thing, you just don't need it for all dishes.
Adobo is a great example. Thanks! Now I'm going to make an adobo this weekend.
He didn't say he doesn't like braises, not liking braises doesn't make you "not a foodie", it's ridiculous to question whether someone "is" or "isn't" a foodie when they say they are, and the rice cooker only admits to a couple simple variants on braise applications. If you're making stews without browning your meat first, which you can't do in a rice cooker, you're doing it wrong.
I say this now with as much politeness as I can muster, when it comes to stews, you simply have no idea what you're talking about. And I say this as somebody who's mixed cultural household comes from two very old, very strong stew making cultures with a combined stew making experience in our cultural memory going back somewhere between 5-8 thousand years.
(And I was just about to reply to you with some kind words about your passion for your fancy computer controlled crockpot)
I say this now with as much politeness as I can muster, when it comes to stews, you simply have no idea what you're talking about. And I say this as somebody who's mixed cultural household comes from two very old, very strong stew making cultures with a combined stew making experience in our cultural memory going back somewhere between 5-8 thousand years.
(And I was just about to reply to you with some kind words about your passion for your fancy computer controlled crockpot)
Link to the best stew recipe you can find for a protein that is normally browned that doesn't have, as its first step, browning the protein in a hot pan. Obviously, the first Cooks Illustrated recipe you find will say "the key to a good stew is proper browning of the meat", but then, as someone from a mixed cultural household with a background in stew-making, I'm sure you'd jaundiced about America's Test Kitchen; presumably, you'll scoff at Julia Child too (dry the meat, brown well). When I get home, I'll see what CIA's New Pro Chef says as well and cite it here. I'm guessing: they brown the meat first.
Unfortunately, this is a topic that I do think I know something about.
Unfortunately, this is a topic that I do think I know something about.
Boom. It is literally the first step in The New Pro Chef, which is The Textbook at the Culinary Institute of America: brown the protein in a hot pan. Not just for beef stew, but in the master technique description for all stew.
So here's how this is going to go. I'll post some of the thousands of recipes for stews that don't use braising, you'll snark back how they aren't good stews or some such and we'll be at an impasse.
Let's just say that tonight, as a point of fact, I ate a tremendous pork belly and cabbage stew that is never cooked by braising the pork. Tomorrow or over the weekend I'll probably eat a different one, where the protein (pork or beef) can be braised or not to taste -- but typically isn't. On Christmas I know that we'll be eating another bean and pork stew that has no tradition of braising.
The fact that you think stew meat must be braised shows the magnitude by which you simply don't have a clue.
Ready for something that'll blow your mind? Tens of millions of people eat incredible stews every day that don't even have a mammal as the protein!
I think you focus way too much on very specific stew traditions and really need to get away and try some other traditions.
Not every stew is Goulash.
Let's just say that tonight, as a point of fact, I ate a tremendous pork belly and cabbage stew that is never cooked by braising the pork. Tomorrow or over the weekend I'll probably eat a different one, where the protein (pork or beef) can be braised or not to taste -- but typically isn't. On Christmas I know that we'll be eating another bean and pork stew that has no tradition of braising.
The fact that you think stew meat must be braised shows the magnitude by which you simply don't have a clue.
Ready for something that'll blow your mind? Tens of millions of people eat incredible stews every day that don't even have a mammal as the protein!
I think you focus way too much on very specific stew traditions and really need to get away and try some other traditions.
Not every stew is Goulash.
I'm curious what it is you think "braising" means.
No you aren't. You and I both know very well what braising means. It's different than, but often confused with the technique of "stewing" meat.
But either method can be good techniques for starting many kinds of stews. It's just that there exist in the set of stews, stews for which the protein is not braised or stewed.
But either method can be good techniques for starting many kinds of stews. It's just that there exist in the set of stews, stews for which the protein is not braised or stewed.
A braise is simply a long low slow cook of a protein in the presence of liquid; braised proteins are cooked to break down tough proteins rather than to a precise finished temperature. That's all a braise is.
A stew is a long slow cook of something with a large amount of liquid.
"You think all stew meat must be braised" doesn't even parse.
I feel confident that I've refuted your "you simply don't know what you're talking about" comment upthread, so we don't have to keep talking about this. Again, unfortunately, unlike typography, graphic design, con law, or functional programming, this is not one of the topics I have opinions about that I think I know little about.
A stew is a long slow cook of something with a large amount of liquid.
"You think all stew meat must be braised" doesn't even parse.
I feel confident that I've refuted your "you simply don't know what you're talking about" comment upthread, so we don't have to keep talking about this. Again, unfortunately, unlike typography, graphic design, con law, or functional programming, this is not one of the topics I have opinions about that I think I know little about.
Since your thesus was that stews are not possible without braising, and myself and several other helpful HNers have comfortably refuted you, your claim of victory and expertise is....odd to say the least. Enjoy your stew and have a great holiday.
This is a very Eurocentric discussion. Many Korean, Indonesian, and other Asian stews do not require browning.
Do you like curry? Chicken curry? Beef curry? Mutton curry?
Thai style, the various China styles? Indian?
Green red yellow?
Thai style, the various China styles? Indian?
Green red yellow?
Yes. Yes. Yes. No good source for mutton.
Yes. No, not familiar. Yes, of course.
Yes yes yes.
Yes. No, not familiar. Yes, of course.
Yes yes yes.
> No good source for mutton
Got a halal butcher near? They might have mutton. I was in the same boat as you until I found out that a muslim butcher a couple of suburbs away sells it. (Actually,it is what we call "two-tooth", hogget, instead of mutton, but better than nothing.)
Got a halal butcher near? They might have mutton. I was in the same boat as you until I found out that a muslim butcher a couple of suburbs away sells it. (Actually,it is what we call "two-tooth", hogget, instead of mutton, but better than nothing.)
Exactly. And everyone likes braising.
> You cannot cook anything good in a rice maker […] except […] rice
After spending time in Asia and getting a taste for glutinous rice [1], I now steam my rice in a bamboo steamer (which adds to the flavor): http://www.cookasianfood.com/asian-food/how-to-make-sticky-r...
Highly recommended (both this type of rice and steaming your rice in bamboo)!
[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutinous_rice
After spending time in Asia and getting a taste for glutinous rice [1], I now steam my rice in a bamboo steamer (which adds to the flavor): http://www.cookasianfood.com/asian-food/how-to-make-sticky-r...
Highly recommended (both this type of rice and steaming your rice in bamboo)!
[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutinous_rice
Buying that! I know far too little about Eastern cuisine.
I moonlight as a professional food writer. I have a $800 a month food budget. I've eaten at a quarter of the restaurants on the San Pellegrino List. I still use a rice cooker.
Ebert unfortunately gives the wrong impression of the cuisine you can make with a rice cooker. He's a vegan and he can't eat, what do you expect? The reality is that rice cooker cuisine in Asian has come out of situations where people didn't have access to normal cooking appliances, but also could not start fires without burning down their dwellings. I learned about this in grad school where our dwellings were similar.
It made me appreciate different types of rice, broths, the technique of steaming (a good rice cooker should come with an attached steamer)...what could be more foodie than that? I bet I can rival your cooking with just a rich cooker. I can make luscious steamed turbot with a parmesan asparagus risotto, steamed spicy Vietnamese sausage and silky coddled eggs over a lemon-grass infused rice, and hearty congee with miso and wild mushrooms. I use homemade stocks as bases for all of these. I make them in my crock pot, they don't take very long either.
My rice cooker meals are better than the meals served at many restaurants. And to be honest, I use my own restaurant budget on meals that cost as much as $300 a person, which leaves not so much for day to day food. But damn if I'm going to eat crappy food. Rice cooker? Makes cheap, easy, and delicious meals if you have the skills. I would definitely not recommend Ebert's cooking advice or cookbook though.
Ebert unfortunately gives the wrong impression of the cuisine you can make with a rice cooker. He's a vegan and he can't eat, what do you expect? The reality is that rice cooker cuisine in Asian has come out of situations where people didn't have access to normal cooking appliances, but also could not start fires without burning down their dwellings. I learned about this in grad school where our dwellings were similar.
It made me appreciate different types of rice, broths, the technique of steaming (a good rice cooker should come with an attached steamer)...what could be more foodie than that? I bet I can rival your cooking with just a rich cooker. I can make luscious steamed turbot with a parmesan asparagus risotto, steamed spicy Vietnamese sausage and silky coddled eggs over a lemon-grass infused rice, and hearty congee with miso and wild mushrooms. I use homemade stocks as bases for all of these. I make them in my crock pot, they don't take very long either.
My rice cooker meals are better than the meals served at many restaurants. And to be honest, I use my own restaurant budget on meals that cost as much as $300 a person, which leaves not so much for day to day food. But damn if I'm going to eat crappy food. Rice cooker? Makes cheap, easy, and delicious meals if you have the skills. I would definitely not recommend Ebert's cooking advice or cookbook though.
Can you explain in an objective way, talking about taste or whatever terms foodies use why rice-cookers cannot cook good food?
I'm inclined to think that this is subjective and just one man's opinion, but artistic types have been defending their subjective opinions in objective terms for a long time. For example designers talk about hierarchy, organization, affordances, even though design is artistic.
I'm curious to hear if you have something to say along these lines.
I'm inclined to think that this is subjective and just one man's opinion, but artistic types have been defending their subjective opinions in objective terms for a long time. For example designers talk about hierarchy, organization, affordances, even though design is artistic.
I'm curious to hear if you have something to say along these lines.
I'll give it a whack.
First off, I'm defining "good food" rather strictly. Something you'd see in a chef-owned restaurant, where the chef either went to culinary school or worked in prestigious restaurants. (Cooking, like programming, can be learned without school.) I'm not saying they have to have a Michelin star, but they have to be making a real effort to make good food, so not Olive Garden. Most of the people who disagree with me simply don't like my definition of good food (and perhaps find it snobbish) which is totally fine.
So imagine you took a list of everything on those menus, and started filtering out anything using a technique a rice cooker is incapable of. I suppose my statement might not be literally true, there might still be SOMETHING left on the list, but we'd be talking less than a percent.
There are a number of things you just can't do (I think) in a rice cooker that you do at least one of in pretty much every dish you'd see at such a restaurant. You can't cook something at more than one temperature, for instance. You can't cook at any temperature above or below 100 celsius. You can't get a Maillard reaction (the browning of a steak or toast and it's associated flavors) or caramelization to happen. Right there you've knocked out almost everything cooked that you'll see on such a menu.
You can't roast or sear or sautee anything. A rice cooker cooks only with conduction in a wet environment. (I'm assuming convection occurs too when there's still enough liquid in the pot.) It's too hot to simmer and too cold to braise.
Even one pot dishes (and anything that isn't a one pot dish, which is the vast majority of the food I've described, is out by definition unless you have numerous rice cookers) usually take multiple steps. For instance toss the chicken in to brown, remove, sweat some onions, toss in some peppers, put in some plum tomatoes and white wine, raise the heat a little to deglaze and burn off the alcohol, lower the heat, add the chicken back in, braise. Etc. (Season the chicken with salt and a little piment d'esplette in the beginning and you've got poulet basquaise! You're welcome HN.)
So what can you do in a rice cooker? Boil stuff, that's it. You rarely in any decent restaurant will be served something that has had nothing done to it but boiling, in fact, I can't think of anything and like I said, I'm a foodie. I travel around a lot and have been to a lot of restaurants.
First off, I'm defining "good food" rather strictly. Something you'd see in a chef-owned restaurant, where the chef either went to culinary school or worked in prestigious restaurants. (Cooking, like programming, can be learned without school.) I'm not saying they have to have a Michelin star, but they have to be making a real effort to make good food, so not Olive Garden. Most of the people who disagree with me simply don't like my definition of good food (and perhaps find it snobbish) which is totally fine.
So imagine you took a list of everything on those menus, and started filtering out anything using a technique a rice cooker is incapable of. I suppose my statement might not be literally true, there might still be SOMETHING left on the list, but we'd be talking less than a percent.
There are a number of things you just can't do (I think) in a rice cooker that you do at least one of in pretty much every dish you'd see at such a restaurant. You can't cook something at more than one temperature, for instance. You can't cook at any temperature above or below 100 celsius. You can't get a Maillard reaction (the browning of a steak or toast and it's associated flavors) or caramelization to happen. Right there you've knocked out almost everything cooked that you'll see on such a menu.
You can't roast or sear or sautee anything. A rice cooker cooks only with conduction in a wet environment. (I'm assuming convection occurs too when there's still enough liquid in the pot.) It's too hot to simmer and too cold to braise.
Even one pot dishes (and anything that isn't a one pot dish, which is the vast majority of the food I've described, is out by definition unless you have numerous rice cookers) usually take multiple steps. For instance toss the chicken in to brown, remove, sweat some onions, toss in some peppers, put in some plum tomatoes and white wine, raise the heat a little to deglaze and burn off the alcohol, lower the heat, add the chicken back in, braise. Etc. (Season the chicken with salt and a little piment d'esplette in the beginning and you've got poulet basquaise! You're welcome HN.)
So what can you do in a rice cooker? Boil stuff, that's it. You rarely in any decent restaurant will be served something that has had nothing done to it but boiling, in fact, I can't think of anything and like I said, I'm a foodie. I travel around a lot and have been to a lot of restaurants.
By the same token, you can't cook soup in a deep fryer or tea in a sauce pan.
I probably wouldn't cook a fish in a rice cooker. But I've cooked a meal of chopped and deboned chicken legs, glutinous rice, fresh crushed garlic, salt, fresh crushed pepper, chopped green onions right from my garden, and a few fresh ginger slices in a 10 year old cheapo rice cooker that was a great accompaniment to my butter pan fried basa (dried for a couple hours, then salt and liberal pepper and paprika'd). The butter helps with the Maillard reaction ;)
My chef friend asked for the recipe.
Entire meal prep was probably a total of 15 minutes, active cook time probably less than 15, rice cooker spent an hour or so working on the rice and chicken.
There's literally nothing wrong with boiling meat. It's a perfectly cromulent cooking technique. You just have to know what you are doing. Boiled meat dishes have been royal court food for thousands of years in some places.
The French (God bless 'em) just never got it down.
I probably wouldn't cook a fish in a rice cooker. But I've cooked a meal of chopped and deboned chicken legs, glutinous rice, fresh crushed garlic, salt, fresh crushed pepper, chopped green onions right from my garden, and a few fresh ginger slices in a 10 year old cheapo rice cooker that was a great accompaniment to my butter pan fried basa (dried for a couple hours, then salt and liberal pepper and paprika'd). The butter helps with the Maillard reaction ;)
My chef friend asked for the recipe.
Entire meal prep was probably a total of 15 minutes, active cook time probably less than 15, rice cooker spent an hour or so working on the rice and chicken.
There's literally nothing wrong with boiling meat. It's a perfectly cromulent cooking technique. You just have to know what you are doing. Boiled meat dishes have been royal court food for thousands of years in some places.
The French (God bless 'em) just never got it down.
"There's literally nothing wrong with boiling meat. It's a perfectly cromulent cooking technique. You just have to know what you are doing. Boiled meat dishes have been royal court food for thousands of years in some places."
I second this motion: boiled (at least 2 hours) meat plus an appropriate base (rice, pasta) and sauce along with a steamed or boiled vegetable makes a wonderful and absolutely foolproof meal. Be sure to cook the meat to the point where it just begins to fall apart.
Meat: the cheapest cuts from the local market, with or without bones (the meat will fall off the bone).
Base: rice, any pasta, Ramen noodles prepared as you wish.
Sauces: anything that appeals, from plain soy sauce to Ramen noodle flavor packets to prepared pepper sauces from the local Chinese market (esp. Szechuan pepper sauces).
Indeed a meal fit for a king!
I second this motion: boiled (at least 2 hours) meat plus an appropriate base (rice, pasta) and sauce along with a steamed or boiled vegetable makes a wonderful and absolutely foolproof meal. Be sure to cook the meat to the point where it just begins to fall apart.
Meat: the cheapest cuts from the local market, with or without bones (the meat will fall off the bone).
Base: rice, any pasta, Ramen noodles prepared as you wish.
Sauces: anything that appeals, from plain soy sauce to Ramen noodle flavor packets to prepared pepper sauces from the local Chinese market (esp. Szechuan pepper sauces).
Indeed a meal fit for a king!
The funny thing about this comment is that the Ebert-style rice cooker is actually good at cooking fish.
I've never tasted good boiled meat. Or good boiled anything, really. I like my steaks rare and my vegetables crunchy.
Know anywhere in London that would change my mind?
Know anywhere in London that would change my mind?
Pick up a copy of Beth Hensperger's "The Ultimate Rice Cooker Cookbook."[1] My wife and I made Thanksgiving Jook (Congee) with some homemade turkey broth and bits of meat from the carcass after Thanksgiving. I'm not sure how cooking it on the stovetop would have made it taste better.
[1] http://www.harvardcommonpress.com/the-ultimate-rice-cooker-c...
[1] http://www.harvardcommonpress.com/the-ultimate-rice-cooker-c...
Besides, I'd rather "cook" in a crockpot than a rice cooker. More versatile, same style of "dump everything in" recipe. You can also make a mean bbq pulled pork with just a crockpot and a hunk of meat.
I think everyone should save chicken bones for stock. They keep in the freezer forever, so even if you don't roast chicken often there's really no excuse not to save it. Homemade stock is so much better than the stuff in cans.
I think everyone should save chicken bones for stock. They keep in the freezer forever, so even if you don't roast chicken often there's really no excuse not to save it. Homemade stock is so much better than the stuff in cans.
> Homemade stock is so much better than the stuff in cans.
I think it took about three books (Kitchen Confidential and two cookbooks) telling me how much stock from scratch can effect your recipes before it sunk in enough for me to actually do it.
Even if I'm in a pinch and have to used canned or boxed stock, I still try to keep some frozen bones and fresh mirepoix veggies around to infuse some extra flavor.
I think it took about three books (Kitchen Confidential and two cookbooks) telling me how much stock from scratch can effect your recipes before it sunk in enough for me to actually do it.
Even if I'm in a pinch and have to used canned or boxed stock, I still try to keep some frozen bones and fresh mirepoix veggies around to infuse some extra flavor.
Out of curiosity, which cookbooks?
I used to make a soup every time my parents came over because they loved it that used a lot of chicken stock. Eventually I gave them the recipe and they'd make it at home with bouillon cubes and then call me and ask me why it wasn't as good. To this day they still haven't tried just making their own stock, but I did eventually get them to try the liquid stuff that comes from the store, which is a tad too salty usually but still much better than cubes.
I used to make a soup every time my parents came over because they loved it that used a lot of chicken stock. Eventually I gave them the recipe and they'd make it at home with bouillon cubes and then call me and ask me why it wasn't as good. To this day they still haven't tried just making their own stock, but I did eventually get them to try the liquid stuff that comes from the store, which is a tad too salty usually but still much better than cubes.
Fresh stock is a necessity when it's the main part of the dish; cubes are fine when they're used for adding just a little bit of flavor. Convenience matters.
Also, you can make excellent stock from (raw) chicken wings, that cost next to nothing (you don't have to save bones from roast chicken -- although roast chicken is one of the most delicious foods there is).
Also, you can make excellent stock from (raw) chicken wings, that cost next to nothing (you don't have to save bones from roast chicken -- although roast chicken is one of the most delicious foods there is).
It's also good practice to always buy unsalted or low salt stock (same with butter!) so you can control the salt intake yourself. And you'll look healthier at the check out!
The scientific consensus on salt seems to be changing. I think that current thinking is that salt is unlikely to be a major influence on health, all other factors being equal.
It's not changing.
There's a lot of evidence that ordinary healthy humans need a particular amount of salt each day (adjusted for activity, age, etc), with not much variation. There's some epidemiological studies that show that most humans do end up consuming that amount of salt - i.e. the physiological->psychological feedback loop that triggers the impulse to eat salty things is well-controlled.
Eating both too little and too much salt can lead to very major health problems.
Popular fads on salt in diet changes all the time though; luckily that can't stop our bodies (unlike problems with anorexics; junk food; sugars; etc)
There's a lot of evidence that ordinary healthy humans need a particular amount of salt each day (adjusted for activity, age, etc), with not much variation. There's some epidemiological studies that show that most humans do end up consuming that amount of salt - i.e. the physiological->psychological feedback loop that triggers the impulse to eat salty things is well-controlled.
Eating both too little and too much salt can lead to very major health problems.
Popular fads on salt in diet changes all the time though; luckily that can't stop our bodies (unlike problems with anorexics; junk food; sugars; etc)
Regardless of health effects, cooking with unsalted varieties (stock, butter, etc) allows you to control the amount of salt in your dish. You may end up with an over-salted meal if you use salted butter, etc.
Boxed stock is different - read the ingredients/constituents and use it appropriately (it is very different from actual stock, if you understand what stock consists of). Boxed stock is generally not a substitute for stock, like how sugar is not a substitute for salt.
Possible to use together though.
Possible to use together though.
rice cooker: versatile
crockpot/slow cooker: more versatile
combination rice cooker and slow cooker: most versatile
http://us.sanyo.com/Microcomputerized-Rice-Cookers/10-Cup-Mi...
crockpot/slow cooker: more versatile
combination rice cooker and slow cooker: most versatile
http://us.sanyo.com/Microcomputerized-Rice-Cookers/10-Cup-Mi...
Cheaper too.
I'm not sure if that's true, the vegetables and meat do cost something. If you do plan on making stock regularly, I've recently found that a pressure cooker is a great investment. The result actually tastes better after far less time.
But I would say if you're just cooking something quick and cheap for yourself, there's nothing wrong with bouillon cubes. In a sauce it's better than just salt which is probably going to be the alternative.
But I would say if you're just cooking something quick and cheap for yourself, there's nothing wrong with bouillon cubes. In a sauce it's better than just salt which is probably going to be the alternative.
It's true. I spend less on vegetables to make a gallon of stock than I do to buy one quart at a grocery store, and mine is better. Even when I'm doing a beef stock and have to buy the bones it's still a little cheaper, though in that case not much. But the difference in quality between homemade beef stock and store bought is far larger than the same difference in chicken stock.
A lot of recipes/cooking styles were based on poverty. Meatballs? A few scraps of meat and stale bread. Those fancy french sauces? Needed to mask the rancid meat. Woks? For cooking with a minimum amount of fuel. And so on and so on. Would you say they couldn't cook anything good, either?
Because much of people's preference for certain types of food are acquired and not necessary (or even beneficial). During times of poverty, there are often pressures to change preferences, leading to a much higher rate of innovation. (Special case of general mechanism in creative destruction / evolution)
Once a preference is established, it can stay for a long time because there's a physiological tendency to like food you've eaten (without ill effects) before. There are few social forces strong enough to override that.
Once a preference is established, it can stay for a long time because there's a physiological tendency to like food you've eaten (without ill effects) before. There are few social forces strong enough to override that.
Not at all. A lot of my favorite foods are peasant foods especially French and Italian) none of which can be made in a rice cooker. They're often quite difficult to make, they just tend to use what are (or at least long ago were) the cheaper parts of the animal.
I love to cook. I take pride in adding all the right spices, caramelizing onions properly (a 30+ minute task), marinating cuts of meat (before we became vegeterian), etc. But I also work, and have a family (wife isn't the best cook). So when I get home at 5pm, I have 2 small kids that want to jump me, and I immediately have to start on dinner. Honestly, it's all I can do some nights to not say "F--k it, we're ordering out."
In my family, "good food" isn't an option most weeknights. So we either eat out (which is expensive and/or unhealthy) or we make simple crock-pot/ rice cooker recipes, which even my wife can do.
It's not always black & white.
In my family, "good food" isn't an option most weeknights. So we either eat out (which is expensive and/or unhealthy) or we make simple crock-pot/ rice cooker recipes, which even my wife can do.
It's not always black & white.
> You cannot cook anything good in a rice maker anymore than you can a microwave
My personal experience disproves this, but, I suppose, my personal experience is now wrong because it contradicts your tastes.
My personal experience disproves this, but, I suppose, my personal experience is now wrong because it contradicts your tastes.
I'm pretty sure that for anything you can cook with a rice maker, I can cook something else, to an equivalent quality/pleasantness/enjoyment-when-consumed, in a microwave. And vice versa.
* I assume you are not a professional food scientist or chef, which will make it hard for me to compete with you.
* I assume you are not a professional food scientist or chef, which will make it hard for me to compete with you.
> I'm pretty sure that for anything you can cook with a rice maker, I can cook something else, to an equivalent quality/pleasantness/enjoyment-when-consumed, in a microwave.
Except this isn't what was asserted. The assertion was that neither rice cookers nor microwaves can make good food except for rice.
Except this isn't what was asserted. The assertion was that neither rice cookers nor microwaves can make good food except for rice.
It would seem that everyone here has ignored how many different ways that rice cookers are used in the far east.
It's very common to put a whole chicken or salted duck egg (in the shell) in with the rice when it cooks, by the time the rice is done you have a hard boiled egg.
Then, you put a wire stand on top of the rice and a shallow metal dish on the stand, and put in some meat, and some vegetables and you have a whole meal.
If you don't have access to any other way, rice cookers are not half bad at popping popcorn (though if I have a choice I do it in a wok).
I have recently moved from Thailand to Cambodia and am still waiting (four months now) to move my things to Cambodia, but I have a rice cooker.
So I still use the rice cooker every morning to make ramen every morning. I buy some ground pork and bean sprouts in the wet market down the street, first boil the water, then add the meat, and then add the soup mix and bean sprouts.
Many cheap rice cookers include a steaming rack which you fit above the bowl. I use this all the time to cook frozen dim sum -- or a steamed version of the fritata that was mentioned in the article.
As some of the other posts mentioned, it would be nice if there was a low heat setting so it could double as a crock pot, but then, there is a reason that rice cooker pots are made from aluminium and crock pots are a thick ceramic.
It's very common to put a whole chicken or salted duck egg (in the shell) in with the rice when it cooks, by the time the rice is done you have a hard boiled egg.
Then, you put a wire stand on top of the rice and a shallow metal dish on the stand, and put in some meat, and some vegetables and you have a whole meal.
If you don't have access to any other way, rice cookers are not half bad at popping popcorn (though if I have a choice I do it in a wok).
I have recently moved from Thailand to Cambodia and am still waiting (four months now) to move my things to Cambodia, but I have a rice cooker.
So I still use the rice cooker every morning to make ramen every morning. I buy some ground pork and bean sprouts in the wet market down the street, first boil the water, then add the meat, and then add the soup mix and bean sprouts.
Many cheap rice cookers include a steaming rack which you fit above the bowl. I use this all the time to cook frozen dim sum -- or a steamed version of the fritata that was mentioned in the article.
As some of the other posts mentioned, it would be nice if there was a low heat setting so it could double as a crock pot, but then, there is a reason that rice cooker pots are made from aluminium and crock pots are a thick ceramic.
What are the benefits of cooking stuff in a rice cooker versus a crock pot? Crock pots are also cheap and (I'm guessing) have a larger capacity, further "optimizing" your time. They usually have two heat settings as well and you can stick the lid on the food and stick the crock right in the fridge for leftovers. I'm sure they both produce equally boring food. Is the rice cooker faster or something?
I think it's because many people who have a rice cooker don't have or want a crockpot. Ebert's rice cooker recipes are probably directed primarily toward this group.
The downside is that cooking in a rice cooker is a low fidelity way of cooking.
If you invest in a PID controller (Auber Instruments sells a particularly well-known line of them), you can make your rice cooker the highest-fidelity cooking appliance in your kitchen. The PID controller reads the temperature in the cooker with a thermocouple probe and strobes the power to the cooker to maintain a precise temperature, resulting in a temperature-controlled water bath.
Temperature-controlled water bath cooking ("low temp" cooking, or, inaccurately, "sous vide" cooking) is the future of the modern kitchen. Most proteins, most starches, and many vegetables benefit from it, it's almost as easy to execute as Ebert's rice cooker meals, and has the huge advantage of taking precise timing out of the equation; most low-temp preparations can be started in the morning and plated when you get back from work, like slow-cooker meals.
If you're remotely interested in cooking, low-temp cooking is about the nerdiest way you can go about it, and the results really are pretty spectacular: you can get perfect custard-texture egg yolks (not to mention reliably perfect custards of all sorts), an absolutely perfect end-to-end medium rare steak, reliably perfect pork chops, a week's worth of perfect chicken breasts for cold prep (sandwiches and salads) or last-minute pasta dishes, perfect glazed root vegetables --- I keep using the word "perfect" because when you have a small computer making sure your food never goes over or under its ideal target finish temperature by more than a degree or so, that's what you end up with.
I have a Polyscience circulator now, but I used to use a Black & Decker rice cooker and an Auber PID controller, and while there are benefits to the professional circulator (I'm pretty sure I can circulate a bathtub and cook a whole pig in it if I really wanted to), pretty much any DIY plan you find on the Internet will do just fine; you can even try what Serious Eats recommends and do your first couple of experiments with a beer cooler.
Also, regarding this particular meal: try chicken thighs instead of chicken breasts. Chicken breasts are particularly expensive (everyone wants them), but chicken thighs are more delicious, more forgiving of time/temperature variation, and in long-cooking applications like this, all the downsides (fattiness and toughness) are mitigated by the cook time.
If you're just now thinking about starting to cook instead of going out every night, and you don't want to go too nuts with it, I'd recommend a crock pot / slow cooker. They're not sexy, but wow are they ever useful. You can buy a Costco block of chicken thighs and chuck them in your freezer, and then each morning just open one package of them into your slow cooker with an onion and some garlic, salt, and pepper. Run on "slow" all day. Done. Same thing with any cheap chuck cut of beef, or with pork shoulder. Everyone I talk to that "discovers" the slow cooker falls in love with it.
If you invest in a PID controller (Auber Instruments sells a particularly well-known line of them), you can make your rice cooker the highest-fidelity cooking appliance in your kitchen. The PID controller reads the temperature in the cooker with a thermocouple probe and strobes the power to the cooker to maintain a precise temperature, resulting in a temperature-controlled water bath.
Temperature-controlled water bath cooking ("low temp" cooking, or, inaccurately, "sous vide" cooking) is the future of the modern kitchen. Most proteins, most starches, and many vegetables benefit from it, it's almost as easy to execute as Ebert's rice cooker meals, and has the huge advantage of taking precise timing out of the equation; most low-temp preparations can be started in the morning and plated when you get back from work, like slow-cooker meals.
If you're remotely interested in cooking, low-temp cooking is about the nerdiest way you can go about it, and the results really are pretty spectacular: you can get perfect custard-texture egg yolks (not to mention reliably perfect custards of all sorts), an absolutely perfect end-to-end medium rare steak, reliably perfect pork chops, a week's worth of perfect chicken breasts for cold prep (sandwiches and salads) or last-minute pasta dishes, perfect glazed root vegetables --- I keep using the word "perfect" because when you have a small computer making sure your food never goes over or under its ideal target finish temperature by more than a degree or so, that's what you end up with.
I have a Polyscience circulator now, but I used to use a Black & Decker rice cooker and an Auber PID controller, and while there are benefits to the professional circulator (I'm pretty sure I can circulate a bathtub and cook a whole pig in it if I really wanted to), pretty much any DIY plan you find on the Internet will do just fine; you can even try what Serious Eats recommends and do your first couple of experiments with a beer cooler.
Also, regarding this particular meal: try chicken thighs instead of chicken breasts. Chicken breasts are particularly expensive (everyone wants them), but chicken thighs are more delicious, more forgiving of time/temperature variation, and in long-cooking applications like this, all the downsides (fattiness and toughness) are mitigated by the cook time.
If you're just now thinking about starting to cook instead of going out every night, and you don't want to go too nuts with it, I'd recommend a crock pot / slow cooker. They're not sexy, but wow are they ever useful. You can buy a Costco block of chicken thighs and chuck them in your freezer, and then each morning just open one package of them into your slow cooker with an onion and some garlic, salt, and pepper. Run on "slow" all day. Done. Same thing with any cheap chuck cut of beef, or with pork shoulder. Everyone I talk to that "discovers" the slow cooker falls in love with it.
I have always been fascinated by "sous vide" cooking, but could simply not put up with the idea of eating food that has been in contact with plastics for hours in a hot environment.
Most plastics do leach some very nasty compounds, not to mention the whole estrogen controversy (which has been known by the FDA since the 30s). Besides, I am sure it is very eco-unfriendly to use them to routinely cook foods since all those plastic bags will end up somewhere in the ocean for the next hundred years...
Therefore, does anyone know of any hacks for cooking in low temps and vacuum WITHOUT the damned plastics bags?
Most plastics do leach some very nasty compounds, not to mention the whole estrogen controversy (which has been known by the FDA since the 30s). Besides, I am sure it is very eco-unfriendly to use them to routinely cook foods since all those plastic bags will end up somewhere in the ocean for the next hundred years...
Therefore, does anyone know of any hacks for cooking in low temps and vacuum WITHOUT the damned plastics bags?
A combi oven does what you want: it creates a temperature-controlled humid environment, but uses steam instead of a circulating water bath. Unfortunately, they're extremely expensive.
You don't have to bag the food, for whatever it's worth. You don't even have to use water as your cooking medium; people have circulated butter for lobster. But the bag prevents the flavor from the product from leaching out into the cooking liquid and being diluted away.
You don't have to bag the food, for whatever it's worth. You don't even have to use water as your cooking medium; people have circulated butter for lobster. But the bag prevents the flavor from the product from leaching out into the cooking liquid and being diluted away.
I wonder if you could take a stock rice cooker and fit a constantly running evacuation pump to the steam vent hole in the glass lid. It could partially evacuate the chamber and hold it there while you cooked. The pot and lid are obviously not designed for the stress of vacuum so you wouldn't want to go past, say, a quarter atmosphere.
I wish there were a way to keep a pot cold (freezer or fridge temp), then low-temp cook. That way you could basically leave food ready for prep and have it cook when you're at work, ready for when you get home.
Make a device with 20 slots and you could have your whole weekly meal plan pre-positioned.
Make a device with 20 slots and you could have your whole weekly meal plan pre-positioned.
You could reuse the cold drinking water holes in your fridge.
Simply circulate water in a loop through those pipes into your fridge and then into the water bath.
A sous vide already uses a water bath, and a circulator pump.
You need a powered valve which you can easily get if you search for zone valve. You only need one valve BTW.
When it's time to cook, use the zone valve to direct the water in a circle instead of into the fridge.
You'll waste some energy heating the cold water (instead of using slightly warmer tap water), but it shouldn't be too bad.
Make very sure to properly insulate all the water pipes, and the water bath.
Simply circulate water in a loop through those pipes into your fridge and then into the water bath.
A sous vide already uses a water bath, and a circulator pump.
You need a powered valve which you can easily get if you search for zone valve. You only need one valve BTW.
When it's time to cook, use the zone valve to direct the water in a circle instead of into the fridge.
You'll waste some energy heating the cold water (instead of using slightly warmer tap water), but it shouldn't be too bad.
Make very sure to properly insulate all the water pipes, and the water bath.
this is the best idea I've heard in the last year.
Curious - what are the energy costs for running this rice cooker for a whole hour...or this crockpot sous vide stuff for hours at a time, whole day even...is that a concern at all ? Personally I've never cooked anything beyond 10-15 minutes. I don't eat rice, so never looked into these things. Maybe I'm missing out on a whole parallel universe of foodies.
I have an Aroma 10 "cup" model that is about a decade old. Plugged it into a Kill-a-Watt.
It consumes 27W in warming mode and 619W in cooking mode.
I also have a 4 year old Crockpot slow cooker (8 "quart" IIRC) which consumes 47W in warm, 160W in low and 206W in high.
Edit: I just made something as substantially similar as their chicken & rice dish as I could and it also took 45 minutes and 0.4kWh. That works out at 5c in electricity costs (or 9c when taking into account my California marginal kWh costs). Not counted are the costs in water and electricity to wash the container after use which are pretty negligible as it is non-stick and just needs a mild clean/wipe. I can also confirm that power use did not change during the whole cooking process.
It consumes 27W in warming mode and 619W in cooking mode.
I also have a 4 year old Crockpot slow cooker (8 "quart" IIRC) which consumes 47W in warm, 160W in low and 206W in high.
Edit: I just made something as substantially similar as their chicken & rice dish as I could and it also took 45 minutes and 0.4kWh. That works out at 5c in electricity costs (or 9c when taking into account my California marginal kWh costs). Not counted are the costs in water and electricity to wash the container after use which are pretty negligible as it is non-stick and just needs a mild clean/wipe. I can also confirm that power use did not change during the whole cooking process.
The cooker isn't running continuously; power is applied to it in tiny increments to keep the water at a stable temperature.
Going to just point out (perhaps I misunderstand), but sous vide is not a crockpot way to cook. It's pretty easy (toss things into a bag, place in warm water) and it's delicious.
Since the temperature of the water bathing the meat (or veggie, etc) is a constant, you know exactly when your steak is a perfect medium rare. Not only is it cooked perfectly, the fats and marinade and etc are all sealed (quite literally) with the meat so the food is chock-full of flavor.
Since the temperature of the water bathing the meat (or veggie, etc) is a constant, you know exactly when your steak is a perfect medium rare. Not only is it cooked perfectly, the fats and marinade and etc are all sealed (quite literally) with the meat so the food is chock-full of flavor.
Also, you can just hack a PID controller yourself on an arduino. The main concept is pretty simple:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PID_controller
And get a thermocouple from adafruit:
http://learn.adafruit.com/thermocouple/
And maybe a few relays for the power shutoff mechanism.
Total cost including arduino should be around 50 bucks and a fun weekend :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PID_controller
And get a thermocouple from adafruit:
http://learn.adafruit.com/thermocouple/
And maybe a few relays for the power shutoff mechanism.
Total cost including arduino should be around 50 bucks and a fun weekend :)
I have one of these:
http://www.louizidishome.gr/components/com_virtuemart/shop_i...
The box said "Teppanyaki". I have no idea what it is. Does anyone know if it's similar to a rice cooker? I want to find out what I can cook with it...
http://www.louizidishome.gr/components/com_virtuemart/shop_i...
The box said "Teppanyaki". I have no idea what it is. Does anyone know if it's similar to a rice cooker? I want to find out what I can cook with it...
curious: aren't you taking the "ingredient" bit out of the equation?
E.g. vegetable X is riper than last time and thus requires less cooking or stuff like that.
E.g. vegetable X is riper than last time and thus requires less cooking or stuff like that.
I want to do this. What do I buy, and where do I get recipes?
Every low-temp recipe is basically the same: find the ideal temperature for your protein (135 for steak, 145 for pork and chicken, &c). Make a guess as to how much collagen is in the meat --- in other words, how tough is the cut? --- if there's lots, cook for 24-48 hours; if there's only a little, cook for 1-8 hours (you're good after 1).
A good place to start on equipment is Serious Eats; search for "sous vide" (again, we're abusing that term). The Cooking Issues website Dave Arnold ran had an excellent guide, but seems to be down.
If you want to geek out, here's the best setup I've seen online; I own a pro circulator and still want to build this thing:
http://seattlefoodgeek.com/2010/02/diy-sous-vide-heating-imm...
A good place to start on equipment is Serious Eats; search for "sous vide" (again, we're abusing that term). The Cooking Issues website Dave Arnold ran had an excellent guide, but seems to be down.
If you want to geek out, here's the best setup I've seen online; I own a pro circulator and still want to build this thing:
http://seattlefoodgeek.com/2010/02/diy-sous-vide-heating-imm...
The Cooking for Engineers site might also be of interest.
http://www.cookingforengineers.com
http://www.cookingforengineers.com
I learned using this book, which I quite like:
http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Sous-Vide-Temperature-Techni...
You do eventually realize that all the recipes are kind of the same.
After that just Google for "sous vide <food> <spices>". There are a lot of people obsessed with this style of cooking who post their results.
After that just Google for "sous vide <food> <spices>". There are a lot of people obsessed with this style of cooking who post their results.
There are ready made machines called Sous Vide machines that cost 140-500 bucks for consumer versions who do this too. Available on amazon.
I've never been a fan of slow cookers because it pretty much just turns any meal into a flavorless mash of carbs and partially digested protein. Everything ends up overcooked. Perhaps because my slow cooker is junk with just a "low" and "hi" setting. the Auber PID controller sounds like a much better solution. It should be a piece of cake to replicate it with an Arduino, temp sensor and a high amp relay, after some experimentation and calibration with a candy thermometer, you could even "program" your meals.
http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&...
It would cost about the same to build it as an equivalently featured Auber device though you would have much more control.
http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&...
It would cost about the same to build it as an equivalently featured Auber device though you would have much more control.
Slow cookers are only good for braise cuts: beef chuck, chicken thighs, pork shoulder. You want to put some liquid in, but not too much. You want aromatics (a whole head of garlic, an onion). I never put starches in my slow cooker anymore.
The low-temp water bath is definitely much more precise. You can't cook a steak in a slow cooker; the cooker runs near the boiling point of water.
The low-temp water bath is definitely much more precise. You can't cook a steak in a slow cooker; the cooker runs near the boiling point of water.
A rice cooker is nice, but perfecting the art of microwaving is more efficient.
With my small microwave :
Frozen raw broccoli in the microwave for 2 minutes (then let it cool down and melt the remaining ice for 3 minutes) = crispy broccoli at room temperature.
Put rice in a bowl, with more water than rice, microwave for 4 minutes and let it cool down for 2 minutes = rice the way I love it (not over cooked). Goes fine with mustard tuna or other canned fish if you love sauce : open the can, add the rice- you're done.
Put cheap frozen minced meat (I insist on cheap - because it usually has more fat, and meat without enough fat won't do good in a microwave) for 3 minutes and a half : it will roast in its own grease, leaving the inside red (I love that- if you dont, let the frozen meat unfreeze and cook for less time). Discard the excess grease.
It now usually takes me 10 to prepare a meal. Can't beat that efficiency, except by adding milk to cornflakes!
With my small microwave :
Frozen raw broccoli in the microwave for 2 minutes (then let it cool down and melt the remaining ice for 3 minutes) = crispy broccoli at room temperature.
Put rice in a bowl, with more water than rice, microwave for 4 minutes and let it cool down for 2 minutes = rice the way I love it (not over cooked). Goes fine with mustard tuna or other canned fish if you love sauce : open the can, add the rice- you're done.
Put cheap frozen minced meat (I insist on cheap - because it usually has more fat, and meat without enough fat won't do good in a microwave) for 3 minutes and a half : it will roast in its own grease, leaving the inside red (I love that- if you dont, let the frozen meat unfreeze and cook for less time). Discard the excess grease.
It now usually takes me 10 to prepare a meal. Can't beat that efficiency, except by adding milk to cornflakes!
A quick meal (10 minutes preparation time) I eat about three times a week. It's highly parallelized:
- chop up mixed vegetables and put in bowl, cover with lid, place in microwave, set it for 4 minutes.
- put a pan on the stove with some olive oil in it
- pour sweet soy sauce over some fish filet, rub it in, cut in pieces, sprinkle ginger powder over it
- place fish pieces in pan
- chop some parsley or cilantro
- microwave should be finished by now - let the veggies rest for two minutes (lid still on)
- turn the fish pieces
- fill a glass of wine ;-)
- put fish on top of veggies, put parsley/cilantro on top of that
- have a nice meal!
- chop up mixed vegetables and put in bowl, cover with lid, place in microwave, set it for 4 minutes.
- put a pan on the stove with some olive oil in it
- pour sweet soy sauce over some fish filet, rub it in, cut in pieces, sprinkle ginger powder over it
- place fish pieces in pan
- chop some parsley or cilantro
- microwave should be finished by now - let the veggies rest for two minutes (lid still on)
- turn the fish pieces
- fill a glass of wine ;-)
- put fish on top of veggies, put parsley/cilantro on top of that
- have a nice meal!
I am not really a big fan of stoves, but it looks great- I might try it next week!
Thanks :-)
Thanks :-)
I just read a comment about not being able to make "anything but rice" on a rice cooker. That is certainly true, but this variety is extremely large. Just google 'biryani', an Indian dish that is made of an aromatic combination of rice and veggies/meat.
Since most HN readers are likely to be non-Indians, I would just like to point out: its incredibly easy to make delicious Indian food, and its incredibly easy to make biryani on a rice cooker. The spices are what make Indian food delicious, and these come packaged in small packets at any Indian store (Some even have recipes on the back). Look at a few recipes, try them out and surprise your gf with your amazing cooking skills :)
Since most HN readers are likely to be non-Indians, I would just like to point out: its incredibly easy to make delicious Indian food, and its incredibly easy to make biryani on a rice cooker. The spices are what make Indian food delicious, and these come packaged in small packets at any Indian store (Some even have recipes on the back). Look at a few recipes, try them out and surprise your gf with your amazing cooking skills :)
Must point out that the rice is different too. Bryani is not as nice with other rice shapes and textures.
Yes, that's true! It does goes best with the 'Basmati' type of rice
I am trying this right now.
A few potatoes + one onion + some chicken + spices + 1 and 1/2 cup of water are cooking in the rice cooker.
I'll let you know how it was! (My only concern is with the amount of water)
A few potatoes + one onion + some chicken + spices + 1 and 1/2 cup of water are cooking in the rice cooker.
I'll let you know how it was! (My only concern is with the amount of water)
Ok, it was good! Not amazing, but very eatable. A little too dry, I will add more water next time. The potatoes were perfectly cooked.
Overall positive experience, all I had to do is cut everything into little bits and throw them in the cooker.
Overall positive experience, all I had to do is cut everything into little bits and throw them in the cooker.
I can't get past the misspelled "Rogert" in all the call-outs.
I have a Zojirushi that I use from time to time to make rice, and have been experimenting with more complete one-pot meals. I can steam several types of vegetables in the last 13 minutes of operation [snow peas, asparagus, broccoli, brussels sprouts, etc] in addition to the easiest "sous vide"-style eggs you'll ever have [trick: cook it whole]. I think fish is possible too, but only have 13 minutes' warning is a little rough.
The kicker is that it's a breeze to clean up, I don't even have to use soap and water. It makes a great meal as long as you can go without meat for a day. It also cooks quinoa and can be programmed to have steel cut oats ready for you when you wake up. It would be fascinating to hack it to see if I could recover its cooking rules, or get an early signal about projected time remaining, and I am surprise no one has put this info on the web yet.
The kicker is that it's a breeze to clean up, I don't even have to use soap and water. It makes a great meal as long as you can go without meat for a day. It also cooks quinoa and can be programmed to have steel cut oats ready for you when you wake up. It would be fascinating to hack it to see if I could recover its cooking rules, or get an early signal about projected time remaining, and I am surprise no one has put this info on the web yet.
>I have a Zojirushi that I use from time to time to make rice, and have been experimenting with more complete one-pot meals.
That's funny, I just got one in order to replace a random $15 rice cooker. Have you written more extensively about your experience elsewhere? And when you say, "steam several types of vegetables in the last 13 minutes," does that mean you cook rice, then add the vegetables with 13 minutes to go? Or does it mean something else?
That's funny, I just got one in order to replace a random $15 rice cooker. Have you written more extensively about your experience elsewhere? And when you say, "steam several types of vegetables in the last 13 minutes," does that mean you cook rice, then add the vegetables with 13 minutes to go? Or does it mean something else?
Yes, that's correct. I have the ZCC55 Neurofuzzy. Cooking with "1" cup of rice (roughly for one person), I put in vegetables and eggs at roughly the 13 minute warning, when it knows how long it will take to finish. I have logged in a spreadsheet about 15 meals, where I weigh the eggs and veggies, note how cooked they are etc, but it's not quite presentable.
Basic recipe: 2 uncracked large eggs (130g), cut asparagus (130g). Both washed and placed in with minimal steam loss at 13m. Remove immediately at finish (move eggs directly to cold water, or they will scald you as you try to open them).
Eggs are cheap! You can afford to experiment with them like this. Open the first ones onto an empty plate; cook a little more in the skillet if you undercook. 2 Jumbos are just about at the limit of the 13m warning. I aim for liquid yellow and 85% "solid" white. Hard-boiled eggs aren't as fun. Scrape your meal out of the cooker, turn it off, and LEAVE THE LID OPEN. It dries out the remnants so they just slide off the teflon.
Basic recipe: 2 uncracked large eggs (130g), cut asparagus (130g). Both washed and placed in with minimal steam loss at 13m. Remove immediately at finish (move eggs directly to cold water, or they will scald you as you try to open them).
Eggs are cheap! You can afford to experiment with them like this. Open the first ones onto an empty plate; cook a little more in the skillet if you undercook. 2 Jumbos are just about at the limit of the 13m warning. I aim for liquid yellow and 85% "solid" white. Hard-boiled eggs aren't as fun. Scrape your meal out of the cooker, turn it off, and LEAVE THE LID OPEN. It dries out the remnants so they just slide off the teflon.
I love this recipe for a one-dish-meal in a rice-cooker:
White Chicken Chili
http://www.food.com/recipe/crock-pot-white-chicken-chili-114...
It's like someone decided that chili was too colorful, and stripped it of all tones. It's also delicious.
Beware of leaving your rice cooker on for hours or days. Although it's sealed and hot (and presumably thus impenetrable to bacteria), some rice cookers are not suited for being left on for too long, and the heating unit will burn. This is regrettable, because I'd love to constantly have a continuous pot of this dish available at a moment's notice.
I am still looking for that magic multi-day rice cooker.
White Chicken Chili
http://www.food.com/recipe/crock-pot-white-chicken-chili-114...
It's like someone decided that chili was too colorful, and stripped it of all tones. It's also delicious.
Beware of leaving your rice cooker on for hours or days. Although it's sealed and hot (and presumably thus impenetrable to bacteria), some rice cookers are not suited for being left on for too long, and the heating unit will burn. This is regrettable, because I'd love to constantly have a continuous pot of this dish available at a moment's notice.
I am still looking for that magic multi-day rice cooker.
I learned about cooking with a rice cooker from living in crappy grad student housing, where real cooking appliances were forbidden and no one had a kitchen. I thought I was stuck with a microwave. Thank goodness for the Asian grad students I met who showed me how they made delicious tasty meals with their rice cookers. I would note that please do buy one with an attached steamer because it's a really nice bonus for steaming meat/fish/vegetables.
Whats the difference between a rice cooker and slow cooker?
FTFA:
Only after all the water is either absorbed into the rice or evaporated, the temperature in the pot rises above 100 degrees Celsius and the thermostat signals that the rice is cooked. The rice cooker then switches from “Cook” mode to “Warm” mode and you can attend to it at your leisure.
A slow cooker attempts to maintain a setpoint for a given time period, usually.
Only after all the water is either absorbed into the rice or evaporated, the temperature in the pot rises above 100 degrees Celsius and the thermostat signals that the rice is cooked. The rice cooker then switches from “Cook” mode to “Warm” mode and you can attend to it at your leisure.
A slow cooker attempts to maintain a setpoint for a given time period, usually.
I don't know if there is a generally accepted definition of 'rice cooker' and 'slow cooker', I have one of each in my house and the difference in those two units is that the
slow cooker uses a timer and low heat, the rice cooker always heats to 100 C until the pot temperature starts going up above 100C and then switches to 50C.
It sounds to me (cooking noob) that I can cook things faster in hte rice cooker? Instead of 4 hours of cooking in the slow cooker ... I could just cook it in 45 minutes with the rice cookers?
Is this right?
Is this right?
A ricer cooker cuts off when it gets too hot (when the water gets absorbed by the rice and the temp rises).
A slow cooker/crock pot keeps a consistent (and relatively low) temperature for a period of time. Some have timers, some don't. Some have thermostats some just have high/low settings.
A slow cooker/crock pot keeps a consistent (and relatively low) temperature for a period of time. Some have timers, some don't. Some have thermostats some just have high/low settings.
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A rice cooker automatically goes from "high" to "low" once the temperature inside is above 100C (once all the water has boiled). A slow cooker does not.
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The slow cooker is equivalent to the 'warm' setting on the rice cooker - it applies steady heat (sometimes with a timer of some kind). The rice cooker adds one feature, it can test to see if the water in your dish has been absorbed and/or cooked off, and turn down the heat.
A rice cooker is usually smaller and hotter with a thin metal bowl instead of heavy ceramic. It usually cooks rice in 20min rather than the hours required by a slow cooker. A slower cooker turns off on a timer, a rice cooker turns off when the rice is done.
> A rice cooker is usually smaller and hotter with a thin metal bowl instead of heavy ceramic
Only the super-cheap ones, e.g. the chinese-import-for-$15 model.
Good ricer cookers, especially those from Japan (where rice cookers are something of an obsession, and bowl thickness/composition is a definite selling point) often have much much thicker bowls.
For medium price models (~$100-200) this can be 5-6mm thick, and on expensive models (I've seen them for up to $1500!) like 10-15mm of metal or 20-25mm of ceramic etc (or some secret combination).
Modern Japanese ricer cookers can also have very sophisticated heat distribution and control mechanisms, and are usable for a lot of different stuff.
Only the super-cheap ones, e.g. the chinese-import-for-$15 model.
Good ricer cookers, especially those from Japan (where rice cookers are something of an obsession, and bowl thickness/composition is a definite selling point) often have much much thicker bowls.
For medium price models (~$100-200) this can be 5-6mm thick, and on expensive models (I've seen them for up to $1500!) like 10-15mm of metal or 20-25mm of ceramic etc (or some secret combination).
Modern Japanese ricer cookers can also have very sophisticated heat distribution and control mechanisms, and are usable for a lot of different stuff.
(OT, but this sounds like a weird setup line for a joke on the food network).
I'm not sure but it seems ridiculous that you would need two of these devices when the only difference is heat and timing. Surely it would be possible to have a Rice setting vs a Slow setting?
Technically, how different is a rice cooker from a slow cooker (aka crock pot)?
I have a rice cooker but I use my slow cooker[1] a lot more. It's especially awesome for cooking steel cut oatmeal. Start it the night before and wake up to oatmeal with all sorts of fruit in it.
I personally think a slow cooker is more useful–and they're not really more expensive. But maybe they're just the same.
I have a rice cooker but I use my slow cooker[1] a lot more. It's especially awesome for cooking steel cut oatmeal. Start it the night before and wake up to oatmeal with all sorts of fruit in it.
I personally think a slow cooker is more useful–and they're not really more expensive. But maybe they're just the same.
Temperature:
- Rice cooker: Cooks until water evaporates/absorbs, then warms - Crock pot: Cooks at a steady temperature, usually for items immersed in a liquid (for water, that's generally around boiling temperature), without evaporating the liquid. In general, more convenient to keep the liquid at a fixed temperature. - Crock pot (Expensive ones): Can set specific temperature (instead of just boiling or low/high)
Evaporation:
- Crock pot: Tends to minimize it, for long periods of cooking items in liquid
- Rice cooker: Minimizing evaporation not a concern/engineering-constraint
Insulation (insulation of heat in total; not about ergonomics):
- Crock pot: Generally better insulation/less-heat-loss, as it is used for long periods of cooking
- Rice cooker: Insulation a much lesser concern as expected period of use is smaller
- Insulation affects energy consumption
Pot material:
- Crock pot: offers a variety of pot material
- Rice cooker: generally metal (sometimes with coating)
- Affects what leeches into the food
- Insulation characteristics can be better or worse (energy consumption)
- Cleaning costs (weight, handling, sticking)
- Heat distribution across the food (fine detail that isn't relevant to someone who asks this)
- Retention of flavours/substances on pot surface and in pot (probably fine detail as well)
- Reactions with food (fine detail)
Cost:
- About the same cost for the same size and quality (similar components: thermostat + feedback circuit + heating element + pot + insulation)
- Rice cookers are a bit simpler because it has only 1 temperature setting (something set a bit above boiling point of water) => simpler = cheaper
- Rice cookers are simpler because they do not need to minimize evaporation => simpler = cheaper
- Rice cookers are simpler because they have lower priorities on insulation => simpler = cheaper
If you cook soup/stew overnight with a rice cooker, you'll need to start with a lot of excess water, and end up with much higher electricity bills.
- Rice cooker: Cooks until water evaporates/absorbs, then warms - Crock pot: Cooks at a steady temperature, usually for items immersed in a liquid (for water, that's generally around boiling temperature), without evaporating the liquid. In general, more convenient to keep the liquid at a fixed temperature. - Crock pot (Expensive ones): Can set specific temperature (instead of just boiling or low/high)
Evaporation:
- Crock pot: Tends to minimize it, for long periods of cooking items in liquid
- Rice cooker: Minimizing evaporation not a concern/engineering-constraint
Insulation (insulation of heat in total; not about ergonomics):
- Crock pot: Generally better insulation/less-heat-loss, as it is used for long periods of cooking
- Rice cooker: Insulation a much lesser concern as expected period of use is smaller
- Insulation affects energy consumption
Pot material:
- Crock pot: offers a variety of pot material
- Rice cooker: generally metal (sometimes with coating)
- Affects what leeches into the food
- Insulation characteristics can be better or worse (energy consumption)
- Cleaning costs (weight, handling, sticking)
- Heat distribution across the food (fine detail that isn't relevant to someone who asks this)
- Retention of flavours/substances on pot surface and in pot (probably fine detail as well)
- Reactions with food (fine detail)
Cost:
- About the same cost for the same size and quality (similar components: thermostat + feedback circuit + heating element + pot + insulation)
- Rice cookers are a bit simpler because it has only 1 temperature setting (something set a bit above boiling point of water) => simpler = cheaper
- Rice cookers are simpler because they do not need to minimize evaporation => simpler = cheaper
- Rice cookers are simpler because they have lower priorities on insulation => simpler = cheaper
If you cook soup/stew overnight with a rice cooker, you'll need to start with a lot of excess water, and end up with much higher electricity bills.
Speed.
Rice cooker, some veggies and/or meat, water, lots of spice, wait 30min and you have a huge pot of soup piping hot ready to eat. Not just hot, but all the veggies or meat is thoroughly tender like it 'was' cooked in a crock pot. Only thing is it ended up taking some 30 min rather than a lot longer.
To me a rice cooker cooks almost like a moderate pressure cooker.
Rice cooker, some veggies and/or meat, water, lots of spice, wait 30min and you have a huge pot of soup piping hot ready to eat. Not just hot, but all the veggies or meat is thoroughly tender like it 'was' cooked in a crock pot. Only thing is it ended up taking some 30 min rather than a lot longer.
To me a rice cooker cooks almost like a moderate pressure cooker.
Rice cookers generally give you no control over the temperature. They cook at one temperature for awhile, until the food temperature raises above the boiling point of water (meaning the starches in rice have absorbed it all) then they click into warming mode. With a crock pot you have temperature options and it will stay at that temp until you tell it not to (or a pre-programmed cycle does).
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Get a pressure cooker, you don't have to 'hack' a rice cooker. And the bonus is, you have more predictable cook times.
I just got into this a few months ago and it is amazing. my favorite is steel cut oats. I spray the inside with Pam skip any butter or oil. steamed veggies in the tray with brown rice is so healthy. The oats cook much faster this way and clean up is a breeze.
I've been doing this for years, I'm glad that the word is out. For soup the cooker is great, of which I make large amounts of it that I freeze for later in the week.
But Soylent Green is people!
I'll take the liberty of reading the screen for you: Yes, it is bread. Bread in Japanese is a loanword from Portuguese: pan. Japanese bread? Ja-pan. Get it? (This comes from the genre of puns called oyaji gyagu -- "jokes only considered funny by crusty old men.")