Show HN: Is this the end of emails?(docs.google.com)
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Show HN: Is this the end of emails?
https://docs.google.com/a/joday.com/forms/d/177YMHXbZiV5XK7UKuRSB_-e5GrQpVhi_KMaIrhBWw3w/viewform
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"Data privacy is biggest challenge of our time. Your personal data like email is owned by service provider and that data is used for things like ads you don't want."
Not everyone uses Gmail. I use Fastmail for my e-mail, and they neither show me ads nor read my e-mail. (They charge a modest fee for the service instead.) And as far as I know, they don't claim to own my e-mail.
"Imagine UPS, USPS, FedEx etc reading your mails to send you ads and keeping your mails with them? Sound bizarre, right? It is to us."
It is to me too. That's why I've never used Gmail (or other ad-supported web mail providers). And I use Thunderbird to download e-mails to my machine, so my messages don't stay on Fastmail's servers if I don't want them to. (I trust them to not keep copies of my e-mails forever after I delete them, and they have little incentive to do so.)
Not everyone uses Gmail. I use Fastmail for my e-mail, and they neither show me ads nor read my e-mail. (They charge a modest fee for the service instead.) And as far as I know, they don't claim to own my e-mail.
"Imagine UPS, USPS, FedEx etc reading your mails to send you ads and keeping your mails with them? Sound bizarre, right? It is to us."
It is to me too. That's why I've never used Gmail (or other ad-supported web mail providers). And I use Thunderbird to download e-mails to my machine, so my messages don't stay on Fastmail's servers if I don't want them to. (I trust them to not keep copies of my e-mails forever after I delete them, and they have little incentive to do so.)
The clickbait headline is particularly annoying because it has literally nothing to do with the article. When a clickbait title is something like, "This Android trick will change your life", at least it'll give me an Android trick.
Your headline is the exact opposite of what you're trying to offer, and you're not even offering it yet. You're baiting us into filling out a survey to benefit you.
If what you're working on is useful, you can use an honest headline and still get lots of clicks.
Edit: you also misused the "Show HN" prefix. You're not showing us anything.
Your headline is the exact opposite of what you're trying to offer, and you're not even offering it yet. You're baiting us into filling out a survey to benefit you.
If what you're working on is useful, you can use an honest headline and still get lots of clicks.
Edit: you also misused the "Show HN" prefix. You're not showing us anything.
got it. will try to be more explicit like ASK HN.
This is actually harder than it seems.
Are you familiar with The Dark Mail Technical Alliance?
https://darkmail.info/
Are you familiar with The Dark Mail Technical Alliance?
https://darkmail.info/
No. but, I'll read about it.
Ok. I haven't started going into the specifics about the protocol implementation but its about encrypting the message end-to-end. It still does not solve the problem of ownership, privacy and ads.
Having said that, If implemented we would definitely take advantage of the protocol.
Having said that, If implemented we would definitely take advantage of the protocol.
Is there any large-scale email service provider who claims they own the contents of your email messages (i.e. own the copyright rights)? All they need is a limited license to do those things they must be able to do in order to provide email service to you (e.g. make a copy on their servers).
As for ads, if the message is encrypted from end-to-end, then even if they read it, they won't find anything useful for ad-targeting. I can already do that today by sending encrypted text via existing email protocols. Moreover, I can use an ad-blocker to block any ads they do try to send me.
The tricky part is keeping things like the address of the sender and the address of the recipient (i.e. the metadata) concealed from eavesdroppers.
As for ads, if the message is encrypted from end-to-end, then even if they read it, they won't find anything useful for ad-targeting. I can already do that today by sending encrypted text via existing email protocols. Moreover, I can use an ad-blocker to block any ads they do try to send me.
The tricky part is keeping things like the address of the sender and the address of the recipient (i.e. the metadata) concealed from eavesdroppers.
I believe no service claims of owning the email.
Also, you are right about end-to-end encryption. That would definitely help the cause.
Also, you are right about end-to-end encryption. That would definitely help the cause.
Sorry for keeping the click bait headline. I guess that's the new norm these days.
I am working on email service prototype that is mainly focused on privacy.
If you can spend 2 minutes for following survey. It is 2 question survey, takes less than 2 minutes to complete.
https://docs.google.com/a/joday.com/forms/d/177YMHXbZiV5XK7U...
Data privacy is biggest challenge of our time. Your personal data like email is owned by service provider and that data is used for things like ads you don't want.
Imagine UPS, USPS, FedEx etc reading your mails to send you ads and keeping your mails with them? Sound bizarre, right? It is to us. We believe email is your data and you should own it; not the service provider.
Imagine a email service(app) where you own the data (email data is not stored on our servers nor we have access to it once delivered), So NO ads. Your emails are securely stored with encryption. You can sync data between multiple devices. Also, there is NO storage limits.
I would love to get your honest opinion about the idea. If it make sense or if its not practical.
Thanks for your time.
--Nash.