Correa: U.S. asked Ecuador not to give Snowden asylum(reuters.com)
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Correa: U.S. asked Ecuador not to give Snowden asylum
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/29/us-usa-security-ecuador-idUSBRE95S0CC20130629
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I read this on BBC earlier and had gotten the impression that Pres. Correa was saying that the first opinion he'd have checked should Snowden apply was from the people of the U.S.
The rest of the article jives with the BBC article though, I'm glad to see that someone in the U.S. government is trying to de-escalate the diplomatic situation. And I'm glad to see Ecuador's government seems to willing to back away a bit as well.
I wonder who the bankers that Correa refers to are, I wasn't aware the U.S. was guarding that many people from Ecuadorean justice? And I wonder what will happen to the London consul?
The rest of the article jives with the BBC article though, I'm glad to see that someone in the U.S. government is trying to de-escalate the diplomatic situation. And I'm glad to see Ecuador's government seems to willing to back away a bit as well.
I wonder who the bankers that Correa refers to are, I wasn't aware the U.S. was guarding that many people from Ecuadorean justice? And I wonder what will happen to the London consul?
There was a banking crisis in 1998 in Ecuador that was so severe it caused the country to abandon their own currency and adopt the U.S. dollar. Equador has accused some of the bankers of embezzling funds including funds from a government bailout. This article is about two brothers who fled to the U.S..
http://www.voxxi.com/government-of-ecuador-power-far-reachin...
"While granting the Isaias Dassum brothers their motion for summary judgement, the judge added that even though the defendants may have indeed committed the “wrongs” claimed, the way the government of Ecuador has handled the situation back in their country is, again, “inconsistent with U.S. law and policy.”
Am I nuts in thinking there is no logical reason to apply U.S. law and policy to a crime committed by Equadorian citizens in Equador?
Quite frankly, Correa has a point. The Dassum brothers picked one of the safest countries in the world for corrupt bankers to flee to, but if anything would get them extradited it would be a swap for Snowden. If I were them, I'd be heading for another nation friendly to corrupt bankers, such as the U.K..
http://www.voxxi.com/government-of-ecuador-power-far-reachin...
"While granting the Isaias Dassum brothers their motion for summary judgement, the judge added that even though the defendants may have indeed committed the “wrongs” claimed, the way the government of Ecuador has handled the situation back in their country is, again, “inconsistent with U.S. law and policy.”
Am I nuts in thinking there is no logical reason to apply U.S. law and policy to a crime committed by Equadorian citizens in Equador?
Quite frankly, Correa has a point. The Dassum brothers picked one of the safest countries in the world for corrupt bankers to flee to, but if anything would get them extradited it would be a swap for Snowden. If I were them, I'd be heading for another nation friendly to corrupt bankers, such as the U.K..
Yeah, and that would almost be a win-win for Obama politically. Help mend ties with Ecuador, and stick it to some bankers, and get Snowden back in the U.S.?
Apparently, he's got an offer he couldn't refuse. Makes you think if his loud withdrawal from the investment treaty was part of the game.
In any case, if such a hardliner backpedals, I'm afraid there's no safe country for Snowden. He's good in Moscow transit zone as anywhere.
But then, in a good conspiracy spirit, it might as well be the plot played out by the Russians :)
In any case, if such a hardliner backpedals, I'm afraid there's no safe country for Snowden. He's good in Moscow transit zone as anywhere.
But then, in a good conspiracy spirit, it might as well be the plot played out by the Russians :)
Yea, for Russians to hire him as an expert to help implement PRISM-like system in Russia. </s
How how much would I have given to be a fly on the wall for that conversation and in the meetings leading up to that call.
If you were an NSA contractor, you could just punch it up and listen whenever it struck your fancy.
Maybe that's why Biden has to take a hard line; he can't afford to offend the NSA.
Maybe that's why Biden has to take a hard line; he can't afford to offend the NSA.
Who expected anything different? Any country he potentially can go to will be asked not to give him asylum.
Do you believe the safe passage papers were given without Correa's consent, as he claims? I don't.
It wouldn't really surprise me too much. It's not like President Obama would approve each and every asylum request centrally from the White House, so the London consul may have assumed a safe pass would be acceptable and then Quito had to negate it because they weren't ready to go that route.
After all Snowden managed to leave the Hong Kong airport somehow, presumably the HK authorities (not to mention the airline) would have wanted to see some documentation of permission to travel?
Edit: On the other hand, maybe you're right. This ABC News article seems to say that Univision has confirmed that the safe pass had been generated under the direction of Pres. Correa. http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/ecuador-issues-denials-s... and only after Univision got wind of it was it disavowed.
Still a mystery is why they bothered to disavow the safe pass at all. Perhaps the problems with Assange?
After all Snowden managed to leave the Hong Kong airport somehow, presumably the HK authorities (not to mention the airline) would have wanted to see some documentation of permission to travel?
Edit: On the other hand, maybe you're right. This ABC News article seems to say that Univision has confirmed that the safe pass had been generated under the direction of Pres. Correa. http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/ecuador-issues-denials-s... and only after Univision got wind of it was it disavowed.
Still a mystery is why they bothered to disavow the safe pass at all. Perhaps the problems with Assange?
https://twitter.com/MashiRafael
Rafael Correa @ MashiRafael June 28
No more time to demonstrate "spying" of Ecuador. It is shown that it was just another farce as "punishment" for "rebellious".
Rafael Correa @ MashiRafael June 26
Things ... denounced against the American people and the world. "The world order is not only unjust, it is immoral." Expand
Rafael Correa @ MashiRafael June 26
International ...? They have managed to focus on Snowden and the "evil" countries that "support", making us forget the terrible ..
Rafael Correa @ MashiRafael June 28
No more time to demonstrate "spying" of Ecuador. It is shown that it was just another farce as "punishment" for "rebellious".
Rafael Correa @ MashiRafael June 26
Things ... denounced against the American people and the world. "The world order is not only unjust, it is immoral." Expand
Rafael Correa @ MashiRafael June 26
International ...? They have managed to focus on Snowden and the "evil" countries that "support", making us forget the terrible ..
Just to clarify, these are tweets from Correa's official twitter account. They read something like this.
June 26: Hypocrisy of the century: The Washington Post "accuses" Ecuador of double standards. See the power of the international press? They've managed to focus attention on Snowden and on the "evil" countries that "support" him, making us forget about the terrible things he reported against the American public and the whole world.
June 26: Hypocrisy of the century: The Washington Post "accuses" Ecuador of double standards. See the power of the international press? They've managed to focus attention on Snowden and on the "evil" countries that "support" him, making us forget about the terrible things he reported against the American public and the whole world.
>"There's a clear double standard here. If the United States is pursuing someone, other countries have to hand them over," Correa said. "But there are so many fugitives from our justice system (in the United States) ... and they don't return them."
Fascinating. Suddenly this grandiose talk we've heard regarding Ecuador's "principals" is gone, and now it's about what the US can do for Ecuador. It's almost as if Ecuador doesn't really give a shit about human rights.
Fascinating. Suddenly this grandiose talk we've heard regarding Ecuador's "principals" is gone, and now it's about what the US can do for Ecuador. It's almost as if Ecuador doesn't really give a shit about human rights.
Can he live in limbo?
As an aside, I didn't know Correa was a U of I grad. His adviser was Werner Baer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Baer