What is INDECT?(stopp-indect.info)

http://www.stopp-indect.info/?page_id=2

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Please note: this is not some kind of high-level EU agenda. It is a project put together by a couple of research groups to grab money from EU research grants. My personal experience with those grants (with several 'partners') is that the results are reviewed by friends&family.

Implement and deploy such a system in time for EURO 2012? Riiight. But I guess it looked good on the grant application.

TeMPOraL15 anni fa

Last time a polish newspaper featured an article about Indect, they wrote that Indect is going to infer your intentions from cameras before they even occur to you, and call the military for intervention (seriously!). There's a bit of minority-report-like fear in the news.

EDIT:

Source: http://www.polskatimes.pl/fakty/kraj/384367,inteligentny-sys...

One of the paragraph says about brain-wave reflection registered by computers that will be used to determine criminal intentions. And no, it doesn't seem to be intended to be a joke. God, I hate this kind of journalism.

mbel15 anni fa

Wonder what's more absurd teleacquisition of EEG signal or ability to actually read any concrete information about thoughts from them.

Nonetheless, it's rather sad, because the issue is rather serious and that's a rather serious newspaper, isn't it?

TeMPOraL15 anni fa

> Nonetheless, it's rather sad, because the issue is rather serious and that's a rather serious newspaper, isn't it?

It is, or so I believed. I don't read or trust any newspaper anymore; given how usually even most serious news articles get debunked in comments 5 minutes after posting to HN I don't think I'm loosing much...

pagekalisedown15 anni fa

That seems similar to what Keeneo ( http://www.keeneo.com/ ) has been doing for years. See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee-D2-hx3so

stfu15 anni fa

Unfortunately I couldn't find a better source in English.

German Newspaper article: http://www.derwesten.de/politik/polen-plant-die-totale-ueber...

Wiki article on the project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INDECT

Telegraph article on the project: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6210255/EU-funding-Or...

JonnieCache15 anni fa

Here's a presentation about it from Sylvia Johnigk at 27c3 last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jerN8iSXCc

One of the contractors on the project turns out to be in the audience and there is some heckling. It is interesting.

voyytek15 anni fa

Wow. I really tried to listen to her. Unbearable.

Skip to 37:50. "the project is not planned/scheduled to be a real life product". Really, this is about money for the researchers. Real life projects like this? I guess goverments have been working on those for some time now.

nakkiel15 anni fa

http://www.indect-project.eu/approach-to-ethical-issues

kahawe15 anni fa

German sources with further links and discussions:

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/europaeische-ueberwachungs...

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Kritik-an-geplanter-U...

http://www.heise.de/tr/artikel/Fahndung-im-Datenraum-1074205...

spindritf15 anni fa

Not just a test field, some of our best and brightest run the project -- it's coordinated by AGH: http://www.indect-project.eu/indect-partners

Neophytes are always the worst.

jasiek15 anni fa

I wouldn't worry about it. Knowing how science funding works in Poland, this grant was appropriated in order to buy some new hardware or renovate an old elevator.

:)

voyytek15 anni fa

Exactly. "We need a new camera-equipped elevator for the project".

jasiek15 anni fa

Ha! I just found out a colleague of mine did his PhD on a part of this and describes it as 'completely harmless'. :>

ishi15 anni fa

The page links to a Wikipedia entry that contradicts some of its claims.

According to Wikipedia: "As it can be seen in the project's documentation, INDECT does not involve mobile phone tracking or call interception. The rumors about testing INDECT during 2012 UEFA European Football Championship also turned out to be false."

klausa15 anni fa

Wow. I consider myself to be pretty well-informed both in privacy and general stuff happening in my country, but it's the first time I'm ever hearing about this.

jwr15 anni fa

The headline is sensational, but this is just Europe spending money on "valuable research".

Zak15 anni fa

It would be amusing to know a bit about how such a system works and intentionally trigger responses from it. If enough people did that, it would become useless.

kaybe15 anni fa

Never ever forget your luggage again! :D

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hammock15 anni fa

Sounds pretty cool to me. In my opinion, this is what good security forces ought to be doing today. Whether or not the government should be doing it in public places is one matter, but if I was the owner of, e.g. a football stadium or large building complex, this is exactly the type of resources I would want my security force to have access to.