Show HN: HN Store(hnstore.co)
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Neat! I'm surprised to see no affiliate links. Seems like an obvious way to cover expenses.
Thanks for your feedback! I'm newbie here. Is it OK to use affiliate links on projects like this?
As others have said, totally ok. Everyone should have a chance to make some money from a project like this.
Shameless plug: check out http://viglink.com to get it done. Sign up, one piece of JS, everything gets automatically affiliated. CEO is a major HN addict (and friend, in the interest of disclosure).
Shameless plug: check out http://viglink.com to get it done. Sign up, one piece of JS, everything gets automatically affiliated. CEO is a major HN addict (and friend, in the interest of disclosure).
Neat idea. Though FAQ links on viglink.com do not seem to work (atleast in Chrome).
http://www.viglink.com/faq
http://www.viglink.com/support/faq
Thanks for bringing that up. It's fixed.
borked in ffx as well
Thanks for the link, will check it out!
There's a strong entrepreneurial spirit on HN and that's why a lot of people are telling you that "It's okay to make money".
Personally, I think it would cheapen the whole thing. Websites that contain nothing but affiliate links to "Products I might like" are already a thing: it's what all those millions of parked domains such as testing.com are.
Personally, I think it would cheapen the whole thing. Websites that contain nothing but affiliate links to "Products I might like" are already a thing: it's what all those millions of parked domains such as testing.com are.
I have to (respectfully) disagree with you. There is literally no difference between what you see as a user whether there are affiliated links or not. So how does letting the guy monetize his project cheapen the thing?
It's not just a random list of products - the site is still the same - a cool list of products determined algorithmically by their mentions on HN. So why not let the guy earn a few bucks for putting it together?
I'd actually argue this is in many ways the perfect use case for affiliate links. The site owner has no bias - he's written a cool script to extract "votes" from the HN community itself, and as a reward for doing so, he should have the right to get a commission on sales. He provides value to the end user by aggregating product mentions, and he provides value to the merchants by highlighting products that might otherwise go un(or, less) noticed.
Thoughts?
It's not just a random list of products - the site is still the same - a cool list of products determined algorithmically by their mentions on HN. So why not let the guy earn a few bucks for putting it together?
I'd actually argue this is in many ways the perfect use case for affiliate links. The site owner has no bias - he's written a cool script to extract "votes" from the HN community itself, and as a reward for doing so, he should have the right to get a commission on sales. He provides value to the end user by aggregating product mentions, and he provides value to the merchants by highlighting products that might otherwise go un(or, less) noticed.
Thoughts?
It's always a bit of a catch-22 in my eyes.
A site that doesn't use affiliate links in their recommendations seems more honest, and with that in mind, deserves to earn some money for essentially selling the product on behalf of the vendor.
A site dedicated to affiliate marketing has a disingenuous scent on all their recommendations; Are they actually recommending the product or are they just promoting it to get their cut?
In this case, it's a pretty fancy project that took plenty of time to construct, and I completely feel he should be able to take his cut for putting it all together. I immediately clicked the title expecting to see referral codes on all the links, and was surprised there weren't any. Then to read his comments asking if that was ok, it made his intentions seem really authentic.
A site that doesn't use affiliate links in their recommendations seems more honest, and with that in mind, deserves to earn some money for essentially selling the product on behalf of the vendor.
A site dedicated to affiliate marketing has a disingenuous scent on all their recommendations; Are they actually recommending the product or are they just promoting it to get their cut?
In this case, it's a pretty fancy project that took plenty of time to construct, and I completely feel he should be able to take his cut for putting it all together. I immediately clicked the title expecting to see referral codes on all the links, and was surprised there weren't any. Then to read his comments asking if that was ok, it made his intentions seem really authentic.
This would be the right way to use affiliate links. Do it.
If you do upfront disclosure is the best way, if you can imply that the funds go towards something cool you are working on or towards even better. Alternatively you can just say its an experiment and direct people to comment here. But yes tell visitors upfront if the links are affiliate.
This is generally a pretty heated debate topic, and there's no clear answer. Some people will be outraged; how dare you try and make some money!
But in general, if you're upfront and honest about using affiliate links (put a friendly notice in the footer about it), most people should be OK with it. I certainly am.
But in general, if you're upfront and honest about using affiliate links (put a friendly notice in the footer about it), most people should be OK with it. I certainly am.
You could have the default be affiliate links and have an opt-out button that sets a cookie to turn them off, maybe.
That allows you to make both groups happy.
That allows you to make both groups happy.
Don't over-think it. It's not sinful to make a bit of money from a helpful tool. Don't even bother with the switch to remove the affiliate code, if your users can't grant you that, they can copy-paste the link and remove your affiliate code manually - that is, if they don't already have a browser plugin that does that for them.
My thought is as long as you're not editorializing it's fine. If you're recommending products and affiliate linking then people have to question the legitimacy of your recommendation. If you're simply linking to every book mentioned on HN then there's no conflict of interest.
Great idea! I've added it to bookmarks. Yes, I think it's ok to put affiliate links.
I was also surprised, that was the first thing I looked for. Go for it!
Why not? It is always good to make some profit from the amount of work you put in, no?
I certainly don't see any problem with it at all, though I didn't understand the dust-up when pinterest was re-writing links to include their affiliate code either.. so maybe there's an argument there that I'm unaware of.
As long as you are not putting some shady redirects, I think you should put some affiliate links. People will buy it for the same price, the difference is that you get a cut for the trouble :)
You could mention the use of affiliate links in the footer, just in case someone gets snarky.
I had the mistaken impression it was against Amazon TOS to call attention to the links. After reading the TOS again, though, I think that would be ok from Amazon's perspective. There's a line between saying on the page "click these links so I'll make money" and saying the links are Amazon affiliate. Amazon TOS here: https://affiliate-program.amazon.com/gp/associates/help/oper...
Nice page, though. You should make money from it. How are you extracting the references to books from HN?
Nice page, though. You should make money from it. How are you extracting the references to books from HN?
Thanks for your feedback! I use HNSearch API https://www.hnsearch.com/api to get submissions and comments. And then Amazon API to normalize and get meta info.
What do you think about having two links side-by-side (affiliate and non-affiliate)? Or having a global swith to turn on/off affiliated links?
Just put in the affiliate code. You are already advertising for Amazon, so you might as well get the commission.
Yeah, just mention the affiliate links at the bottom of the page and have a little link "Click here to remove" and have it run some javascript to change the links.
There are a lot of other HN-ish sites. Usually with post like this everybody mentions t hem. Here's a top-level comment to put them under.
Shameless plug for my own site: http://hn-books.com
On mine, if you pick a book, say "Four Steps To The Epiphany", you get a review, a video, and about half-way down in a tabbed box called "the buzz", an up-to-date synopsis of what hackers think about the book from all the major sites. http://www.hn-books.com/Books/The-Four-Steps-To-The-Epiphany...
Bunch of other sites with similar (and sometimes better) features. I wanted to collect a list, but never got around to it.
Shameless plug for my own site: http://hn-books.com
On mine, if you pick a book, say "Four Steps To The Epiphany", you get a review, a video, and about half-way down in a tabbed box called "the buzz", an up-to-date synopsis of what hackers think about the book from all the major sites. http://www.hn-books.com/Books/The-Four-Steps-To-The-Epiphany...
Bunch of other sites with similar (and sometimes better) features. I wanted to collect a list, but never got around to it.
The "questions" widget is broken. For example, on the Four Steps page there are three links, all ending in 404 like this one: http://hn-books.com/v1Main.htm#Q=1&Q2=1
I'll be danged. They sure don't do they?
The whole website is static, a templating engine which runs in f# on mono generates it. I haven't rebuilt the side in, gosh, a year? Two?
Looks like I had some bad data. Thanks for the heads-up.
Note that you can still use the "AnswerQuestions" page to create your own book lists and share them. So, for instance, if I wanted to give you my top 3 books for smart people, I could link like this: http://www.hn-books.com#B0=29&B1=161&B2=133&BC=3...
So the home page is working. Must be something else.
Thanks again.
The whole website is static, a templating engine which runs in f# on mono generates it. I haven't rebuilt the side in, gosh, a year? Two?
Looks like I had some bad data. Thanks for the heads-up.
Note that you can still use the "AnswerQuestions" page to create your own book lists and share them. So, for instance, if I wanted to give you my top 3 books for smart people, I could link like this: http://www.hn-books.com#B0=29&B1=161&B2=133&BC=3...
So the home page is working. Must be something else.
Thanks again.
Anytime :)
Great work with HN-Books!
Hmm... Well I don't have a book but I did launch a premium 15x25 square-less wall calendar. It's at it's lowest price $6.99 since calendar buying season is over and I'm overstocked by 200. So it's quite a good deal considering similar calendars are $15 at Staples, OfficeMax, & OfficeDepot.
https://dayonepp.com/products-page/product-category/calendar...
https://dayonepp.com/products-page/product-category/calendar...
OoooH. I thought the HN store was a collection of products / books that HN members have MADE or WRITTEN. I didn't realize it was just a curated list. Nevermind about my calendar then.
> products / books that HN members have MADE or WRITTEN
That's a great idea for a service.
That's a great idea for a service.
Looks great, I like how plain and simple it is.
It would be interesting to include some other data, like top wikipedia links etc.
Also the right hand column can sometimes feel a bit disconnected from the left when there is a long line of text in the left column.
Maybe some shading across both columns under the header text would help?
Keep iterating!
It would be interesting to include some other data, like top wikipedia links etc.
Also the right hand column can sometimes feel a bit disconnected from the left when there is a long line of text in the left column.
Maybe some shading across both columns under the header text would help?
Keep iterating!
Thanks for your feedback! I'm very bad at design so I kept UI as minimal as possible. But I will try to iterate on it. I like your idea about shading.
If it is OK, could you please describe at a high-level on the de-duplication involved in mapping the following 3 links to a single book - a) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=836633 b) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1527084 c) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1718951 because the amazon links contained in the HN comment links are all very different but still point to the same book - "Javascript: The Good Parts".
One quick plug: the Hacker News Sidebar under Chrome WebStore hasn't been updated since 2011 and doesn't work any more. My fork of it is more up to date:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-sideba...
It's useful if you want to know that there's a comment thread for any given website that you are browsing.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-sideba...
It's useful if you want to know that there's a comment thread for any given website that you are browsing.
Good idea.
I'd be interested in the same for web apps / web services.
I'd be interested in the same for web apps / web services.
Sweet! I wonder if there's a way to gauge public opinion on these links - one of the apps obviously has some awful reviews on iTunes (Vapor). It'd help keep people away from apps that are doing malicious things like stealing contacts and uploading them to their servers.
A link to where the item was mentioned would be cool too, in addition to popping up the mention.
A link to where the item was mentioned would be cool too, in addition to popping up the mention.
Thanks for your feedback! "# mentions" is actually a trigger for pop-up that has a list of links to stories/comments item was mentioned in.
Would be great if you could also add links to audible, I'm always looking for hacker recommended audiobooks
This is fantastic. One thought - once you have some data on the top 20 (say over 3 months) you could keep track of items that regularly come up in HN discussions. Show them as popular or regularly mentioned.
Thanks for your feedback! Now I use number of mentions, aggregated points, number of users and their aggregated karma to build lists of top items.
This is actually a good idea you should also add filters (like "Only books from paul Graham on Amazon") and a search box.
And for the UI... well hackernews style I guess.
And for the UI... well hackernews style I guess.
Neat idea. I was looking for book recommendations here on HN just yesterday.
Thanks, tpsc! Another great source for book recommendations is "Ask HN: Best books you read in 2012" thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4966230.
So clean and well made!
Thumbs up
Many thanks for your kind words! I'm not a designer so this is almost vanilla Twitter Bootstrap and all the kudos should go to them.