Intel says one of its 13th Gen CPUs will hit 6GHz out of the box(theverge.com)
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Intel says one of its 13th Gen CPUs will hit 6GHz out of the box
https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/12/23348620/intel-13th-gen-cpus-raptor-lake-6ghz-stock-8ghz-overclocked
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AMD announces 5.7ghz Ryzen 9 7950X chip retailing for $699 this month, meanwhile Intel hints at vapor chip that theoretically might hit 6ghz with no release date and no price. This stinks of desperation on Intel’s part.
Wow, Raptor Lake's max TDP looks to be 253W. That's crazy high
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-13th-gen-raptor-lake...
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One of the things I'm not happy about on my current machine (Ryzen 1800X, RTX 2070S) is the heat and noise. I'm going to invest in a better case and fans next time, but new hardware is trying to make the problem even worse. The new hardware is supposed to be very efficient if you limit the max power, but they don't make it easy to do.
From what I can tell the only way to change power limits and fan curves for CPU/GPU are either to reboot into BIOS or use multiple separate manufacturer's shitty bloated windows GUI utilities. AMD's Ryzen Master software is supposed to be good but it doesn't work at all if you have Hyper-V enabled which is basically mandatory for developers nowadays. My GPU's default fan curves have them turn on/off around typical idle desktop temperatures so they continuously cycle on/off and have worn out the bearings and now make a scraping noise every time they do this. The only way to fix this is to launch a bloated windows GUI utility every boot. I was surprised to not find an open source Linux library or kernel driver that lets you read and write fan speeds for GPU and motherboard controlled fans.
I want two things:
1. A simple, unobtrusive button in my system tray that lets me toggle power limits of my CPU and GPU from "silent" to "performance".
2. A simple, unobtrusive way to configure fan curves with averaging and hysteresis that, crucially, lets the case fan speeds be controlled by a combination of GPU and CPU temperatures.
As far as I know neither of those are possible today. I've considered buying or making a USB fan speed controller and even plugging my GPU fans into it because there's no other good way to control them.
One of the things I'm not happy about on my current machine (Ryzen 1800X, RTX 2070S) is the heat and noise. I'm going to invest in a better case and fans next time, but new hardware is trying to make the problem even worse. The new hardware is supposed to be very efficient if you limit the max power, but they don't make it easy to do.
From what I can tell the only way to change power limits and fan curves for CPU/GPU are either to reboot into BIOS or use multiple separate manufacturer's shitty bloated windows GUI utilities. AMD's Ryzen Master software is supposed to be good but it doesn't work at all if you have Hyper-V enabled which is basically mandatory for developers nowadays. My GPU's default fan curves have them turn on/off around typical idle desktop temperatures so they continuously cycle on/off and have worn out the bearings and now make a scraping noise every time they do this. The only way to fix this is to launch a bloated windows GUI utility every boot. I was surprised to not find an open source Linux library or kernel driver that lets you read and write fan speeds for GPU and motherboard controlled fans.
I want two things:
1. A simple, unobtrusive button in my system tray that lets me toggle power limits of my CPU and GPU from "silent" to "performance".
2. A simple, unobtrusive way to configure fan curves with averaging and hysteresis that, crucially, lets the case fan speeds be controlled by a combination of GPU and CPU temperatures.
As far as I know neither of those are possible today. I've considered buying or making a USB fan speed controller and even plugging my GPU fans into it because there's no other good way to control them.
Welcome back to the failed Pentium 4 strategy.
>Raptor Lake to Offer ‘Unlimited Power’ Mode for Those Who Don’t Care About Heat, Electric Bills
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/338748-raptor-lake-to-...
>Raptor Lake to Offer ‘Unlimited Power’ Mode for Those Who Don’t Care About Heat, Electric Bills
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/338748-raptor-lake-to-...
These are crazy frequencies and I am sure they have the thermals to match, but this is also the sign that competition is tight. Both companies are trying to get every bit of performance out of their designs. Advanced cooling systems that are now common on enthusiast machines are helping.
Regardless if you think they can pull it off or not, Intel's roadmap is fascinating. They expect pretty tremendous growth not just in the processor space, but in the US foundry space. They are aiming to be able to compete with TSMC and Samsung in this space.
Regardless if you think they can pull it off or not, Intel's roadmap is fascinating. They expect pretty tremendous growth not just in the processor space, but in the US foundry space. They are aiming to be able to compete with TSMC and Samsung in this space.
Looks like desperation to me.
I believe AMD's technology and furthermore strategy is superior to intel's. Now with Xilinx on board I am curious if we will see GPU's or APU's with FPGA's which allow custom hardware instructions.
I believe AMD's technology and furthermore strategy is superior to intel's. Now with Xilinx on board I am curious if we will see GPU's or APU's with FPGA's which allow custom hardware instructions.
It seems that if you don't opt for AMD on AMD this new generation of PCs will be absolute toaster ovens.
Why do we focus so much on TDP or max boost? How often and for how long are you running your CPU at max? I'd like to have the performance there when I need it but for most of the day I am sitting near idle.
For a whole minute before throttling.
Warning: required power station not included.
Warning: required power station not included.
I think an underappreciated thing in these conversations is that +200W of TDP of top end products nets a very small increase in actual performance, especially if you're not maxing out all 24 cores. The "halo" models are there purely for the enthusiast that want the absolute fastest CPU regardless of other tradeoffs not those concerned about things like air cooling or electricity cost. E.g. the 13700k is a 125W/253W CPU. The 13700T is a 35W/~105W? CPU. They have ~identical single thread performance and are within <25% on 24 core performance.
What the article doesn't cover is the actual performance uplift but that seems a given being an article about this newly rumoured model not an overview of 13th gen performance as a whole.
I love my power efficient M1 macbook and I love my number crunching Zen 3 CPU. The 2 SKUs I have aren't serving the same market and where the architectures overlap the differences aren't as profound as comparing extremes from each family would lead you to believe.
What the article doesn't cover is the actual performance uplift but that seems a given being an article about this newly rumoured model not an overview of 13th gen performance as a whole.
I love my power efficient M1 macbook and I love my number crunching Zen 3 CPU. The 2 SKUs I have aren't serving the same market and where the architectures overlap the differences aren't as profound as comparing extremes from each family would lead you to believe.
Does the "box" include a 2kW industrial chiller like last time?
My NUC ECE board can reach 5ghz. But I throttle all cores down to 3.2 GHz so it can run without the helicopter sounds from all the fans running full tilt. This sounds the same.
I would be pretty amazed if this 6ghz "stock" clock can be achieved with just air cooling.
Just one though, so some lucky individual will have the fastest 13th Generation Intel CPU.
how on earth does this not melt all matter in the known universe?
forgive my laymen knowledge, I am just a humble software person but isn't the equation of power -> speed exponential which is why CPU speeds clocked out around 4ghz and we moved to multi core processing? what sorcery exists that lets us suddenly break that barrier?
forgive my laymen knowledge, I am just a humble software person but isn't the equation of power -> speed exponential which is why CPU speeds clocked out around 4ghz and we moved to multi core processing? what sorcery exists that lets us suddenly break that barrier?
I look forward to TSMC fabbing it for them.
In all seriousness, hasn't Intel been hanging on to their current architecture for way too long at this point? IIRC Ryzen consumes less power and does more per Watt on the high end and ARM is eating them up on the low end. It feels like Intel is just trying to squeeze out a little more from a much-delayed 10nm process and their existing architecture.
It sort of reminds me of Pentium 4 just outstaying its welcome.
Genuinely curious: what's on the horizon for Intel as their next big change and not something that's just a marketing clock speed boost?
In all seriousness, hasn't Intel been hanging on to their current architecture for way too long at this point? IIRC Ryzen consumes less power and does more per Watt on the high end and ARM is eating them up on the low end. It feels like Intel is just trying to squeeze out a little more from a much-delayed 10nm process and their existing architecture.
It sort of reminds me of Pentium 4 just outstaying its welcome.
Genuinely curious: what's on the horizon for Intel as their next big change and not something that's just a marketing clock speed boost?
Incidentally, the chip is code-named Preshott 2
Snark aside, I have a couple of 3700x machines and an itch. Kind of split between upgrading my gaming machine (not entirely worth it) or changing the mini-ITX and severely undervolting a 7700x.
Or, I can just wait for the zen 5 which was my original plan but as I said, I've the captains itch
Snark aside, I have a couple of 3700x machines and an itch. Kind of split between upgrading my gaming machine (not entirely worth it) or changing the mini-ITX and severely undervolting a 7700x.
Or, I can just wait for the zen 5 which was my original plan but as I said, I've the captains itch
Apparently this is a stopgap until Meteor Lake, which will use the "Intel 7" process, hopefully improving on power efficiency. However Meteor Lake isn't scheduled until 2nd half of 2023.
These 13 gen are Raptor lake, which uses the same process as Alder Lake.
These 13 gen are Raptor lake, which uses the same process as Alder Lake.
Doubling processor speed over 20 years is still exponential.
Literally halt and catch fire.
... and will it be a 400 W cpu or a 600 W cpu?
Where have I seen this "more megahertz" strategy at Intel? Right, with the Pentium 4.
Where have I seen this "more megahertz" strategy at Intel? Right, with the Pentium 4.
I can't wait to see the RPCS3 benchmarks. We are so close to perfection with the 12900K already.
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This is literally crazy. To think just a few years ago we could barely get 3Ghz. With this and AI breakthroughs I think the next decade will be crazy.
I'm betting 99 percent of devices using this chip will be used 99 percent of the time for internet access, meaning the bottleneck is now bandwidth.
Intel still playing the GHz game, not having learned anything from the Pentium 4?
Every few years either AMD or Nvidia comes out with some chips that blow away the competition and everyone claims that the chip war is dead. Then the gap slowly closes again until they are sort of neck and neck until one of them does the same thing.
Yeah but how much actually gets down in each of those cycles?
And use fifty gigs watts of power or?
Nice, that will be my next build!