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Funny moment during my course: it was during the Indian monsoon in Dharamsala, and it was raining outside. There were a limited number of umbrellas. We were not allowed to talk. As I went to leave the meditation building, someone came inside with an umbrella. He wanted to hand it to me. We couldn't look at one another or speak.
I made him wait like 10 seconds, just standing there at the door. I couldn't ask for the umbrella, he couldn't offer the umbrella. It was profoundly funny to both of us. We laughed about it 6 days later.
I still laugh out loud whenever I think about it. A joke in total silence.
I made him wait like 10 seconds, just standing there at the door. I couldn't ask for the umbrella, he couldn't offer the umbrella. It was profoundly funny to both of us. We laughed about it 6 days later.
I still laugh out loud whenever I think about it. A joke in total silence.
I took the course in Jaipur, and went up to Dharamsala right after. Taking this course totally changed my life. What can be more important than understanding and coming to terms with your thoughts and conscious mind? I have been able to handle very difficult emotional situations (e.g. fear, despair, panic) much better because of taking this one 10-day course.
Can you talk more about your experience? How are the last 3 days "heaven"? What was the "profound impact" on your life?
Here's a report from my friend who went:
""" the basics: for 10 days, i joined roughly 50 other people in onalaska, wa (a little town in the middle south of olympia) and we learned anapanna and vipassana meditations (as intepreted by s. n. goenka). we weren't allowed to talk to one another. in the evenings, we could ask questions of the teacher, but at the end of it all i probably said about 30 sentences
here's the schedule that we followed scrupulously every day:
4am - wake up bell 4:30 - 6:30 - meditate in the hall or the sleep quarters 6:30 - 8 - breakfast and rest 8 - 9 - meditate in the hall (strong determination starting on day 4 (more on this below)) 9 - 11 - meditate in the hall or the sleep quarters 11 - 1pm - lunch and rest 1 - 2:30 - meditate in the hall or the sleep quarters 2:30 - 3:30 - mediate in the hall (strong determination starting on day 4) 3:30 - 5 - meditate in the hall or the sleep quarters 5 - 6 - tea/fruit break 6 - 7 - meditate in the hall (strong determination starting on day 4) 7 - 8:15 - video discourse 8:15 - 9 - meditate in the hall 9 - 9:30 - ask teacher questions if desired 10 - lights out
in general we were instructed to sit however was comfortable and change position as sparingly as possible. "strong determination" sits beginning on day 4 meant that we were to not move the entire hour. of course, as the pain got really bad, we were free to do so. i'll get back to the madness of this later.
day 1 we were instructed to focus on our breath. we were to keep only our breath in our minds. no counting, no visualization, no mantras. not deep breath or shallow breath. just breathe naturally and observe. as the mind wanders away, we we were told, notice it without anger or frustrating and resume observation of the breath. my mind wandered away after observing my breath for about 10 seconds max. it got a little better throughout my stay there, but not much.
day 2 we were given the same instructions as day 1, but were told to also start paying attention to the area of skin right below the nostrils. we were to note wherever the breath brushed past that area and focus on the smallest point of skin that we could.
day 3 we were told to look for sensations on the same moustache-zone. at this point, i began to feel an odd tingling sensation very lightly and ocassionally.
day 4 we were instructed in vipassana meditation. it basically consists of observing every part on the surface of the body, in a fixed order, piece by piece. we were told to observe any sensations as we go through the body and not react with craving or aversion. just observe the sensation and pass to the next part of the body.
day 5 - 10 was the continuation of this with additional elaborations on the nature of passing attention through the body. these were also the days when the weird shit started happening. i think sometime during day 5 i discovered that my entire body actually experiences a low-grade tingling 24/7, but i just never had the awareness to feel it. the ability to discern it comes and goes, but, just today during my evening meditation, i felt it on nearly every part of my body. (addendum from a month later: the tingling is gone, but still does show up from time to time during particularly good sits.) it's neither pleasant nor unpleasant and has its own internal logic. every person there felt it, as i discovered after i spoke to them on day 10.
during one of the strong determination sits, at about minute 45, the pain in my back became really bad. my mind started screaming for me to move, but i had built up enough experience at this point to have a little delay in response. i started examining the pain, really understanding it. i noticed that the pain itself, the sensation, was not so bad. what was horrible, was the nagging child inside me, the one that felt entitled to feel good all the time. the child pulled on my entire body, trying to force it to move. i ignored it and ignored it and really analyzed the pain. and... it all went away in a single instant. just dropped from my body. i don't know what happened, but i suspect i somehow managed to undo all sorts of knots of tension. i felt perfectly at ease and sat out the rest of the hour plus another 10 minutes. afterwards, i felt a tremendous elation. """
""" the basics: for 10 days, i joined roughly 50 other people in onalaska, wa (a little town in the middle south of olympia) and we learned anapanna and vipassana meditations (as intepreted by s. n. goenka). we weren't allowed to talk to one another. in the evenings, we could ask questions of the teacher, but at the end of it all i probably said about 30 sentences
here's the schedule that we followed scrupulously every day:
4am - wake up bell 4:30 - 6:30 - meditate in the hall or the sleep quarters 6:30 - 8 - breakfast and rest 8 - 9 - meditate in the hall (strong determination starting on day 4 (more on this below)) 9 - 11 - meditate in the hall or the sleep quarters 11 - 1pm - lunch and rest 1 - 2:30 - meditate in the hall or the sleep quarters 2:30 - 3:30 - mediate in the hall (strong determination starting on day 4) 3:30 - 5 - meditate in the hall or the sleep quarters 5 - 6 - tea/fruit break 6 - 7 - meditate in the hall (strong determination starting on day 4) 7 - 8:15 - video discourse 8:15 - 9 - meditate in the hall 9 - 9:30 - ask teacher questions if desired 10 - lights out
in general we were instructed to sit however was comfortable and change position as sparingly as possible. "strong determination" sits beginning on day 4 meant that we were to not move the entire hour. of course, as the pain got really bad, we were free to do so. i'll get back to the madness of this later.
day 1 we were instructed to focus on our breath. we were to keep only our breath in our minds. no counting, no visualization, no mantras. not deep breath or shallow breath. just breathe naturally and observe. as the mind wanders away, we we were told, notice it without anger or frustrating and resume observation of the breath. my mind wandered away after observing my breath for about 10 seconds max. it got a little better throughout my stay there, but not much.
day 2 we were given the same instructions as day 1, but were told to also start paying attention to the area of skin right below the nostrils. we were to note wherever the breath brushed past that area and focus on the smallest point of skin that we could.
day 3 we were told to look for sensations on the same moustache-zone. at this point, i began to feel an odd tingling sensation very lightly and ocassionally.
day 4 we were instructed in vipassana meditation. it basically consists of observing every part on the surface of the body, in a fixed order, piece by piece. we were told to observe any sensations as we go through the body and not react with craving or aversion. just observe the sensation and pass to the next part of the body.
day 5 - 10 was the continuation of this with additional elaborations on the nature of passing attention through the body. these were also the days when the weird shit started happening. i think sometime during day 5 i discovered that my entire body actually experiences a low-grade tingling 24/7, but i just never had the awareness to feel it. the ability to discern it comes and goes, but, just today during my evening meditation, i felt it on nearly every part of my body. (addendum from a month later: the tingling is gone, but still does show up from time to time during particularly good sits.) it's neither pleasant nor unpleasant and has its own internal logic. every person there felt it, as i discovered after i spoke to them on day 10.
during one of the strong determination sits, at about minute 45, the pain in my back became really bad. my mind started screaming for me to move, but i had built up enough experience at this point to have a little delay in response. i started examining the pain, really understanding it. i noticed that the pain itself, the sensation, was not so bad. what was horrible, was the nagging child inside me, the one that felt entitled to feel good all the time. the child pulled on my entire body, trying to force it to move. i ignored it and ignored it and really analyzed the pain. and... it all went away in a single instant. just dropped from my body. i don't know what happened, but i suspect i somehow managed to undo all sorts of knots of tension. i felt perfectly at ease and sat out the rest of the hour plus another 10 minutes. afterwards, i felt a tremendous elation. """
I'd like to second that experience, and to comment on some parts of it.
On one end of the spectrum, I am baffled by the drama surrounding the "weird shit" happening to your body. I had the same stuff happening during my meditation but I didn't find it to be all that notable. Yes, after several days you begin to isolate tiny little sensations (like weak electric current) all over your body. It's really just that and nothing more though. I guess I question the value of that particular experience - is it really such a huge revelation that practicing a small task over and over makes you better at it, sometimes enabling you to do things you didn't think were possible?
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I feel like people don't give enough credit to the experience of forcing yourself to keep a position in spite of searing pain. I am preparing to give birth soon and one of the exercises for pain management is to practice relaxed breathing while squeezing ice cubes in your hands. It's painful but also incredibly empowering to learn that pain can be overcome, and unlike meditating for days to achieve a few weird sensations, it's a practical skill. You don't have to commit yourself to a 10-day retreat or practice a particular form of meditation to achieve that though, there is a variety of ways to do it, none of them particularly mystical.
On one end of the spectrum, I am baffled by the drama surrounding the "weird shit" happening to your body. I had the same stuff happening during my meditation but I didn't find it to be all that notable. Yes, after several days you begin to isolate tiny little sensations (like weak electric current) all over your body. It's really just that and nothing more though. I guess I question the value of that particular experience - is it really such a huge revelation that practicing a small task over and over makes you better at it, sometimes enabling you to do things you didn't think were possible?
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I feel like people don't give enough credit to the experience of forcing yourself to keep a position in spite of searing pain. I am preparing to give birth soon and one of the exercises for pain management is to practice relaxed breathing while squeezing ice cubes in your hands. It's painful but also incredibly empowering to learn that pain can be overcome, and unlike meditating for days to achieve a few weird sensations, it's a practical skill. You don't have to commit yourself to a 10-day retreat or practice a particular form of meditation to achieve that though, there is a variety of ways to do it, none of them particularly mystical.
By the end of the course, I could scan my beating heart within my chest. It freaked me out. I wanted to tell my classmates all about it, but couldn't for a couple more days.
I had severe back pain, have lower back issues, and it took days to get them to allow me to meditate sitting against the wall. When my concentration would break every few minutes, I would gasp in pain, my lower back muscles cramping and spasming the whole time, because it was overwhelming. I thought, and I still think, that requiring me to go through that was ridiculous, and it was only when I told the lead teacher I was leaving if he didn't allow it that he permitted me to sit against the wall. It still hurt like hell, and that was fine, but I could hold myself physically upright at least.
I don't think the courses in the US are so uptight, though.
I had severe back pain, have lower back issues, and it took days to get them to allow me to meditate sitting against the wall. When my concentration would break every few minutes, I would gasp in pain, my lower back muscles cramping and spasming the whole time, because it was overwhelming. I thought, and I still think, that requiring me to go through that was ridiculous, and it was only when I told the lead teacher I was leaving if he didn't allow it that he permitted me to sit against the wall. It still hurt like hell, and that was fine, but I could hold myself physically upright at least.
I don't think the courses in the US are so uptight, though.
Mine was the same in terms of the requirement to sit upright with exceptions granted to just a couple people. It was in Massachusetts although I forget the exact name of the place.
Thats how it should be. I was a medical exception, though. I crushed two vertebrae, and so the muscle is pulled over them at a weird angle. They cramp is I sit/stand without moving too long. The instructor didn't want to hear that, because I told him the fracture had healed. Said it was my body's way of 'letting out the suffering' basically. Which was nothing other than stupid, because actually it was my body telling me, "Hey stupid, your muscles have been cramping for 20 minutes. How can you possibly stand the pain?"
Everyone should have to sit, and everyone will hurt when they don't move, but if your back muscles don't freaking work, you should be able to sit against the wall. Which they did let me, eventually.
Everyone should have to sit, and everyone will hurt when they don't move, but if your back muscles don't freaking work, you should be able to sit against the wall. Which they did let me, eventually.
Aloha, Kolya3!
It is difficult to try and relate in words - it really is the kind of thing you just need to experience. Rather like trying to explain the taste of vanilla ice cream. My experience was something like this:
discomfort, billions of thoughts, wait, do i always have this many thoughts, oh yeah, i need to be watching my breath, etc, etc, etc, days pass along the same lines, intense light/energy, no thought, pure experience of what seems like our original state, back to thinking - OMG, can i stay here forever? reluctant return to daily life
That is a very poor substitute for what actually happened - it bears almost no semblance whatsoever to the experience.
It is difficult to try and relate in words - it really is the kind of thing you just need to experience. Rather like trying to explain the taste of vanilla ice cream. My experience was something like this:
discomfort, billions of thoughts, wait, do i always have this many thoughts, oh yeah, i need to be watching my breath, etc, etc, etc, days pass along the same lines, intense light/energy, no thought, pure experience of what seems like our original state, back to thinking - OMG, can i stay here forever? reluctant return to daily life
That is a very poor substitute for what actually happened - it bears almost no semblance whatsoever to the experience.
Thanks for responding. What would you say is the lasting profound effect on your day to day life?
Thanks for responding.
My pleasure!
What would you say is the lasting profound effect on your day to day life?
The lasting impact has been a sense of connectedness and perfection behind our apparent reality. Yes, I know this sounds trite and the same sentiment can be found in countless books on near death experience, spiritual life, etc, etc, but that is the best way to put it.
My pleasure!
What would you say is the lasting profound effect on your day to day life?
The lasting impact has been a sense of connectedness and perfection behind our apparent reality. Yes, I know this sounds trite and the same sentiment can be found in countless books on near death experience, spiritual life, etc, etc, but that is the best way to put it.
What do you think would be the take-away if you already felt "connectedness and perfection behind our apparent reality", because of one of those other things?
Here's a fun factoid about my experience: the water was contaminated, and had flat worms in it. I got Amoebic dysentery, for the second time (having just recovered from the first), DURING the session. This made the session all the more challenging, nevermind that you're on a pretty severe caloric deficit in the first place :)
We might not have words for what he'd like to say.
So invent and define new words. Where do you think words come from in the first place?
No, seriously, before I spend ten days on anything I'd like to have some idea what the point is, even if the communication isn't perfect.
No, seriously, before I spend ten days on anything I'd like to have some idea what the point is, even if the communication isn't perfect.
While I haven't ever been on a several-day retreat, I meditate periodically, and the most fitting way I've heard it described is this:
"You spend so much time trying to think that it's like clenching your fist all the time, and you've been doing it so long that your wrist is shaking and your knuckles are white and your arm is cramped and you don't even notice. You need to just stop, shake it out, and let it relax."
I don't know whether doing a big blowout extreme retreat thing is worth it or not (I'm a bit wary of them being cult-ish), but meditating now and then really helps. It's a small and mundane-sounding thing, like flossing or getting enough sleep, but it adds up.
"You spend so much time trying to think that it's like clenching your fist all the time, and you've been doing it so long that your wrist is shaking and your knuckles are white and your arm is cramped and you don't even notice. You need to just stop, shake it out, and let it relax."
I don't know whether doing a big blowout extreme retreat thing is worth it or not (I'm a bit wary of them being cult-ish), but meditating now and then really helps. It's a small and mundane-sounding thing, like flossing or getting enough sleep, but it adds up.
The point, according to the people who run the course, is to develop your equanimity - your ability to take life as it comes without reacting badly. I found that it worked, but I didn't keep up with the practice after leaving the retreats and I'm about as equanimous as I was before.
To me, it's worth doing for the experience. You perceive the world and your own perceptions differently when you've been meditating all day for a week or more. According to the instructors, this is playing a sensation game and isn't valuable, so I'll probably be reincarnated as an syphilis spirochete or something like that.
To me, it's worth doing for the experience. You perceive the world and your own perceptions differently when you've been meditating all day for a week or more. According to the instructors, this is playing a sensation game and isn't valuable, so I'll probably be reincarnated as an syphilis spirochete or something like that.
A few months ago, I did the same course here in the US and I am sorry to report that I did not have a great experience.
For one, I was disappointed with the supposed difficulty or profundity of the course. Just like miles above, my fellow attendees, the teacher, the guru, and the friend who recommended the course to me in the first place, all described the experience in very dramatic terms (hell, heaven, profound impact, etc, etc). In reality, for 10 days, you don't do anything but sit in a dimly lit room for hours on end and concentrate on your breathing and other sensations. In between, you eat and sleep. That is all. Personally, I haven't found it especially challenging to shut up and focus for a few days. I also can't say that several days of highly-enhanced perception that followed the course had any profound long-term effect on my life. It was nice, but not more than that. (Those of you who do yoga probably know what I am talking about - those couple hours of feeling balanced, clear-headed and less "ADD" immediately following a yoga class).
Also, I felt that the course was misrepresented. What attracted me to this particular form of meditation was the promise of a 100% non-religious, 100% evidence-based practice. The website, the live teacher and the videotaped guru/founder S.N. Goenka stressed over and over the importance of personally and physically experiencing any insights. On the first day, we were told that we must simply observe any sensations that come with the breathing and not intellectualize the experience or give it any meaning other than what is. However the very next day, we were fed a whole bunch of hooey about the life of Buddha Gautama and the attendant reincarnation theory. The Buddha's tale was presented as a true story, and the reincarnation cycle was presented as the imperative to practice Vipassana mediation. The gist of it was, if you are good (i.e. you practice) you will eventually graduate to an enlightened status, but if you are bad (you don't practice, or waste your time with other meditation methods that may mean well but are silly because they focus on chanting or other false techniques) you will continue to suffer here on Earth. I really didn't appreciate the disconnect between the non-sectarian promise of the course and the reality of what the guru was telling us from his videotape each evening.
To be fair, I will add that the brainwashing is of spiritual rather than commercial nature and the course organizers do not want anything from you other than to "get" it. I would say that if you can set aside the negative aspects I mentioned above and you have 10 days to spare, it's a great way to reset your focus. Just don't buy it when they tell you that something incredible happens on the sixth day. They re-iterate over and over during the first 5 days that you must stick it out and something profound will happen on Day Six, but it's the same thing every day - meditate, eat, sleep, meditate, eat, sleep.
For one, I was disappointed with the supposed difficulty or profundity of the course. Just like miles above, my fellow attendees, the teacher, the guru, and the friend who recommended the course to me in the first place, all described the experience in very dramatic terms (hell, heaven, profound impact, etc, etc). In reality, for 10 days, you don't do anything but sit in a dimly lit room for hours on end and concentrate on your breathing and other sensations. In between, you eat and sleep. That is all. Personally, I haven't found it especially challenging to shut up and focus for a few days. I also can't say that several days of highly-enhanced perception that followed the course had any profound long-term effect on my life. It was nice, but not more than that. (Those of you who do yoga probably know what I am talking about - those couple hours of feeling balanced, clear-headed and less "ADD" immediately following a yoga class).
Also, I felt that the course was misrepresented. What attracted me to this particular form of meditation was the promise of a 100% non-religious, 100% evidence-based practice. The website, the live teacher and the videotaped guru/founder S.N. Goenka stressed over and over the importance of personally and physically experiencing any insights. On the first day, we were told that we must simply observe any sensations that come with the breathing and not intellectualize the experience or give it any meaning other than what is. However the very next day, we were fed a whole bunch of hooey about the life of Buddha Gautama and the attendant reincarnation theory. The Buddha's tale was presented as a true story, and the reincarnation cycle was presented as the imperative to practice Vipassana mediation. The gist of it was, if you are good (i.e. you practice) you will eventually graduate to an enlightened status, but if you are bad (you don't practice, or waste your time with other meditation methods that may mean well but are silly because they focus on chanting or other false techniques) you will continue to suffer here on Earth. I really didn't appreciate the disconnect between the non-sectarian promise of the course and the reality of what the guru was telling us from his videotape each evening.
To be fair, I will add that the brainwashing is of spiritual rather than commercial nature and the course organizers do not want anything from you other than to "get" it. I would say that if you can set aside the negative aspects I mentioned above and you have 10 days to spare, it's a great way to reset your focus. Just don't buy it when they tell you that something incredible happens on the sixth day. They re-iterate over and over during the first 5 days that you must stick it out and something profound will happen on Day Six, but it's the same thing every day - meditate, eat, sleep, meditate, eat, sleep.
This is interesting, because in my course nobody that felt the way you did lasted the entire ten days :) You must have been totally miserable.
To me the course was mostly a secular study in mind hacking.
Yes, you are just quiet and meditating. But most people find that... in that total silence that stretches to days, during the extended meditation sessions using the techniques, profound and terrifying things you have long suppressed come bubbling up. Its really intense and emotional. Women often burst out crying during the sessions.
The idea is that while you are cultivating detachment, these things bubble up, and you are not reacting, only observing... you condition yourself to deal with them. By doing this for ten days at length, you wash yourself of your demons.
I found that this happened for me. I stopped worrying about the things that had bothered me daily after that course. I was in India when I took the course, and consider myself a half-assed buddhist, so I didn't have a problem with the relgious aspect, but you're right, it is not totally free of dogma.
The key thing to remember though is that they don't claim that a single ten day course will dramatically improve your life permanently. They just claim that you can learn the technique in that length of time. You still have to practice daily, several hours a day according to them. I admit that... I don't, really. I did for several months and then stopped.
But what I have taken away from the course is a deeper understanding of myself, and I make daily use of anapana when I experience distress. It works, helps return me to equanimity, and I think it actually makes me smarter.
I can say that for me, the experience was... deeply spiritual. Only I don't believe in spirits, I'm an athiest. The things that happened to me during that ten days were profound, and were pretty on par with the claims the hippies coming out of the courses before me were saying.
The course was the hardest thing I've ever done, by far. I'm really glad I did it. But as your experience points out, mileage will vary.
The key to the whole thing for me was that... verbal thinking is not thought, its just a reflection of underlying mental processes... and if you just shut the fuck up inside your head, you find that you have a lot more room for productive work, and thought, and you become smarter. Before that, I confused thought with productive mental work, and so the chatter in my head never ended. Now I can clear my thoughts, and have an empty mind and this is so important for using my limited brain power productively.
The REALLY interesting thing is that at the beginning of the course, nobody can NOT THINK for more than a few seconds. By the end of it, you can go for minutes at a time. And it feels GREAT :)
To me the course was mostly a secular study in mind hacking.
Yes, you are just quiet and meditating. But most people find that... in that total silence that stretches to days, during the extended meditation sessions using the techniques, profound and terrifying things you have long suppressed come bubbling up. Its really intense and emotional. Women often burst out crying during the sessions.
The idea is that while you are cultivating detachment, these things bubble up, and you are not reacting, only observing... you condition yourself to deal with them. By doing this for ten days at length, you wash yourself of your demons.
I found that this happened for me. I stopped worrying about the things that had bothered me daily after that course. I was in India when I took the course, and consider myself a half-assed buddhist, so I didn't have a problem with the relgious aspect, but you're right, it is not totally free of dogma.
The key thing to remember though is that they don't claim that a single ten day course will dramatically improve your life permanently. They just claim that you can learn the technique in that length of time. You still have to practice daily, several hours a day according to them. I admit that... I don't, really. I did for several months and then stopped.
But what I have taken away from the course is a deeper understanding of myself, and I make daily use of anapana when I experience distress. It works, helps return me to equanimity, and I think it actually makes me smarter.
I can say that for me, the experience was... deeply spiritual. Only I don't believe in spirits, I'm an athiest. The things that happened to me during that ten days were profound, and were pretty on par with the claims the hippies coming out of the courses before me were saying.
The course was the hardest thing I've ever done, by far. I'm really glad I did it. But as your experience points out, mileage will vary.
The key to the whole thing for me was that... verbal thinking is not thought, its just a reflection of underlying mental processes... and if you just shut the fuck up inside your head, you find that you have a lot more room for productive work, and thought, and you become smarter. Before that, I confused thought with productive mental work, and so the chatter in my head never ended. Now I can clear my thoughts, and have an empty mind and this is so important for using my limited brain power productively.
The REALLY interesting thing is that at the beginning of the course, nobody can NOT THINK for more than a few seconds. By the end of it, you can go for minutes at a time. And it feels GREAT :)
>The entire 10 days you do nothing more than watch your breath.
Your memory may be a little rusty - they have you watch your breath for 3 days ("anapanna") to sharpen your concentration and then you spend the rest of the time doing vipassana, which they define as scanning your body focusing on the sensations.
Everything else you said matches my experiences there.
Your memory may be a little rusty - they have you watch your breath for 3 days ("anapanna") to sharpen your concentration and then you spend the rest of the time doing vipassana, which they define as scanning your body focusing on the sensations.
Everything else you said matches my experiences there.
I can recommend this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Mindfulness-Plain-English-Updated-Expa...
"Mindfulness in Plain English"
It's a great book that is easy to read and explains why and how.
http://www.amazon.com/Mindfulness-Plain-English-Updated-Expa...
"Mindfulness in Plain English"
It's a great book that is easy to read and explains why and how.
I was about to say the same thing. The entire book is available online, for free:
http://mail.saigon.com/~anson/ebud/mfneng/mind0.htm
http://mail.saigon.com/~anson/ebud/mfneng/mind0.htm
That book is amazingly clear and concise. Its all about algorithms. Buddhism is truly the religion of computation.
I have the un-updated-and-expanded edition, and it is excellent. So is Buddhism Plain and Simple
http://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-Plain-Simple-Steve-Hagen/dp/0...
Both of these books are great. After those, the book "Seeking the Heart of Wisdom" is recommended for those who want more of the whole picture.
The article mentions Thanissaro Bhikkhu aka Geoffry DeGraff in the beginning and links to some of his writings. His Dhamma talks are also freely available at http://dhammatalks.org/ for anyone interested.
Just be careful, I lost three close friends to the monastic life because of his teachings -- two are monks with Ajaan Geoff at his monastery outside San Diego, another is ordained at a monastery out in the jungle in Thailand.
Never thought I'd run into Ajaan Geoff on Hacker News.
Just be careful, I lost three close friends to the monastic life because of his teachings -- two are monks with Ajaan Geoff at his monastery outside San Diego, another is ordained at a monastery out in the jungle in Thailand.
Never thought I'd run into Ajaan Geoff on Hacker News.
I'd recommend http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Mind-Beginners-Shambhala-Library/d... (begginer's mind there are many possibilities, on the expert's, few)
And this for creativity and zen: http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Creativity-Cultivating-Your-Artist...
Also Hardcore Zen http://www.amazon.com/Hardcore-Zen-Monster-Movies-Reality/dp... and Brad Warner's blog http://hardcorezen.blogspot.com/
Meditation is pretty interesting stuff. For those put off by the spiritual or new age aspects of meditation, try The Relaxation Response.
http://www.relaxationresponse.org/steps/
http://www.relaxationresponse.org/howto.htm
It's trancendental meditation boiled down to the basics and demystified by a Harvard MD.
http://www.relaxationresponse.org/steps/
http://www.relaxationresponse.org/howto.htm
It's trancendental meditation boiled down to the basics and demystified by a Harvard MD.
A bit off topic, but related:
There have been many complaining about the pain in sitting.
I am not a meditation expert, I have had numbness to my legs after 20 mins of sitting and I tried Kneeling- sitting such that, your balls of the feet touches your butt and the bottom part of the feet is completely parallel to the floor. (http://media.wiley.com/assets/6/99/0-7645-5116-7_0703.jpg) why? this forces you to have a natural posture i.e. keeps your spine in its natural state, thus prolonging your meditation time. But, don't wear any footwear.
PS: I found the image doing a google search, this link is hotlinked to a "meditation for dummies", where there are more postures described. I won't post it here and make it messy. I trust your knowledge in doing a google search!
There have been many complaining about the pain in sitting.
I am not a meditation expert, I have had numbness to my legs after 20 mins of sitting and I tried Kneeling- sitting such that, your balls of the feet touches your butt and the bottom part of the feet is completely parallel to the floor. (http://media.wiley.com/assets/6/99/0-7645-5116-7_0703.jpg) why? this forces you to have a natural posture i.e. keeps your spine in its natural state, thus prolonging your meditation time. But, don't wear any footwear.
PS: I found the image doing a google search, this link is hotlinked to a "meditation for dummies", where there are more postures described. I won't post it here and make it messy. I trust your knowledge in doing a google search!
It depends on your anatomy. I have a pronounced negative camber to my shins, so kneeling like that puts almost all my weight on my metatarals. Unfortunately, my hips aren't flexible enough to allow sitting crosslegged, either, so standing, laying, and walking meditation are about it for me.
Some systems of meditation I've encountered encourage experimentation to find a posture that works for you.
Some systems of meditation I've encountered encourage experimentation to find a posture that works for you.
I'm a big fan of the podcasts at zencast.org. Particularly those by Gil Fronsdal. He is a Vipassana teacher and gives talks in a very humble, down to earth manner.
I'll agree with this. Gil has an incredible manner of speaking. Some of the other zencast podcasts have people that tend to lecture at you on their topic, whereas Gil just seems to draw you in to the way he leads his life, warts and all. I actually miss my one-hour commute (now a 5-minute bike ride) that gave me time to listen to him.
It's interesting to see all the opinions here. I recently found a zen (soto zen) dojo in Bucharest, to my great surprise. The last weekend I attended a short "retreat" there.
Mostly my experience fits with what I read here. Overall it was fine, and I will continue going there. Probably my biggest problem is that I finally understand and feel the difference between atheism and agnosticism. I am atheist, zen is agnosting. That is, it really doesn't care what religion (if any) you have. In practice this means people will be occasionally talking about "positive energy" and "negative energy". It's mostly small talk though, and the teacher was reasonably... well actually emphatically neutral.
As for the regular meetings, they are much cleaner. It's just "hello" and small talk, then you sit, then "good bye" without small talk.
I did learn a lot of tips about correct posture and I got a proper pillow, stuff I could not learn on my own. So even if you don't plan to join a dojo, a few visits are probably very useful.
Edit: Oh yes, another thing that somewhat irked me. It took me a long time to put my finger on it, but there was too little self deprecating humor in the teacher's talks. Sue me, but this is how I felt.
Mostly my experience fits with what I read here. Overall it was fine, and I will continue going there. Probably my biggest problem is that I finally understand and feel the difference between atheism and agnosticism. I am atheist, zen is agnosting. That is, it really doesn't care what religion (if any) you have. In practice this means people will be occasionally talking about "positive energy" and "negative energy". It's mostly small talk though, and the teacher was reasonably... well actually emphatically neutral.
As for the regular meetings, they are much cleaner. It's just "hello" and small talk, then you sit, then "good bye" without small talk.
I did learn a lot of tips about correct posture and I got a proper pillow, stuff I could not learn on my own. So even if you don't plan to join a dojo, a few visits are probably very useful.
Edit: Oh yes, another thing that somewhat irked me. It took me a long time to put my finger on it, but there was too little self deprecating humor in the teacher's talks. Sue me, but this is how I felt.
In Feb, I took Part 1 course of Art of Living (AoL). http://artofliving.org
In AoL, they teach you what they call 'Sudarshan Kriya'. It's a breathing technique which helps you in variety of ways. I originally took the course because I was very stressed and my friends recommended the course so that I can learn how to deal with stress. I can definitely say that the particular breathing technique helped me a lot and I can say without reservation that my stress has reduced drastically. What I like about Sudarshan Kriya is that it is a very practical technique. It's very easy to follow and as you do Sudarshan Kriya regularly, your breathing capacity and your ability to focus on breathing will increase. Sudarshan Kriya helps you slip in to meditation much more easily. I highly recommend taking the Art of Living course.
In AoL, they teach you what they call 'Sudarshan Kriya'. It's a breathing technique which helps you in variety of ways. I originally took the course because I was very stressed and my friends recommended the course so that I can learn how to deal with stress. I can definitely say that the particular breathing technique helped me a lot and I can say without reservation that my stress has reduced drastically. What I like about Sudarshan Kriya is that it is a very practical technique. It's very easy to follow and as you do Sudarshan Kriya regularly, your breathing capacity and your ability to focus on breathing will increase. Sudarshan Kriya helps you slip in to meditation much more easily. I highly recommend taking the Art of Living course.
I wish I could downvote. I rarely post,so don't have the karma.
A friend and I went for a free seminar by Sri Sri himself and had to sit through the parody of meditation and acted humour, which the paid patrons enjoy. He evaded questions from everyone and all he 'preached' was to join this course and not one person(outside their organization) I met afterwards told me anything positive. It's a good way to loot you of 400usd.
I have my first cousins who attended the course and told me firsthand about the "materialistic" association related to this course.[for instance, you are told not to worry about money by a person who worked as a banker(made his money) and now is a spokesman, then you are told to put in more money and rope in more people for this course by 'volunteering" ]
A friend and I went for a free seminar by Sri Sri himself and had to sit through the parody of meditation and acted humour, which the paid patrons enjoy. He evaded questions from everyone and all he 'preached' was to join this course and not one person(outside their organization) I met afterwards told me anything positive. It's a good way to loot you of 400usd.
I have my first cousins who attended the course and told me firsthand about the "materialistic" association related to this course.[for instance, you are told not to worry about money by a person who worked as a banker(made his money) and now is a spokesman, then you are told to put in more money and rope in more people for this course by 'volunteering" ]
I up voted you because I completely agree with your points.
I have attended Sri Sri meet-up once and I did feel that the humor was forced and all the attendants were still laughing. Also most of what Sri Sri talked that day didn't make any sense to me. Let me give you an example. This is what Sri Sri said: 'Everything is nothing' and then harped about it for next 15 mins.
When I learned that course fee was 350$, I wasn't really inclined to attend the course. But I was so desperate for solutions to my problems, I decided to give it a shot. And I can safely say that I learned a lot and it helped me tremendously.
Later on, I wanted to attend another course and the fees were 450$. At that time, I and my friend spoke to the course organizer and complained about the high fees. They say that this money goes to the charity effort and there is nothing he can do. Anyway, I could afford the fee and attended the second course as well.
Personally, I don't agree with the 'forceful' charity and few other things, but that doesn't discount the fact that the actual techniques they teach, are very useful. If you can afford the course fee, it's worth giving a shot.
The bottomline for me is, there is a definite connection between breath and mind. I highly recommend experiencing this connection regardless of the route you choose.
I have attended Sri Sri meet-up once and I did feel that the humor was forced and all the attendants were still laughing. Also most of what Sri Sri talked that day didn't make any sense to me. Let me give you an example. This is what Sri Sri said: 'Everything is nothing' and then harped about it for next 15 mins.
When I learned that course fee was 350$, I wasn't really inclined to attend the course. But I was so desperate for solutions to my problems, I decided to give it a shot. And I can safely say that I learned a lot and it helped me tremendously.
Later on, I wanted to attend another course and the fees were 450$. At that time, I and my friend spoke to the course organizer and complained about the high fees. They say that this money goes to the charity effort and there is nothing he can do. Anyway, I could afford the fee and attended the second course as well.
Personally, I don't agree with the 'forceful' charity and few other things, but that doesn't discount the fact that the actual techniques they teach, are very useful. If you can afford the course fee, it's worth giving a shot.
The bottomline for me is, there is a definite connection between breath and mind. I highly recommend experiencing this connection regardless of the route you choose.
Zen is wonderful. In my opinion, a mindfulness or meditation program shouldn't just have a profound impact on your life - it should make your life start to have a profound impact on you!
I highly recommend the following books, which really help you chew through the layers of expectations, belief and doubt when it comes to Buddhism (and in particular, Zen):
http://www.amazon.com/Ending-Pursuit-Happiness-Zen-Guide/dp/...
http://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-without-Beliefs-Stephen-Batch...
I highly recommend the following books, which really help you chew through the layers of expectations, belief and doubt when it comes to Buddhism (and in particular, Zen):
http://www.amazon.com/Ending-Pursuit-Happiness-Zen-Guide/dp/...
http://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-without-Beliefs-Stephen-Batch...
Meditation is something I would like to try. Recently I went to a zen dojo to try. They sit on this zafu cushion in a position I am not flexible enough to do. Even trying half of the position hurt incredibly. But the worst part was after the meditation, when one of the students asked a question to the master. The master then talked for a very long time, digressing on different parts of his life, mocking his students, and boasting about his superiority, which he tried to demonstrate by misquoting all sorts of people. I wondered if listening to the master was also pain the students are supposed to overcome. I won't go back there. I'll have to try meditation somewhere else.
You can stretch and acclimate your knees to the sitting position, unless you have a major existing medical condition or something. It comes with time.
The next thing that will come up is that zazen can be incredibly boring.
(It is.)
But it helps.
Also, sometimes people considered authority figures act like dicks. Sometimes people cut their authority figures slack because they're "enlightened", or whatever.
The next thing that will come up is that zazen can be incredibly boring.
(It is.)
But it helps.
Also, sometimes people considered authority figures act like dicks. Sometimes people cut their authority figures slack because they're "enlightened", or whatever.
> This is what Thanissaro Bhikkhu, a renowned Buddhist meditation teacher, calls "getting the body into position."
"In order to do a sit-up, lie flat on your back with your knees at a 45 degree angle. This is what Jane Fonda calls 'getting the body into position.'"
No kidding? What else would you call it?
"In order to do a sit-up, lie flat on your back with your knees at a 45 degree angle. This is what Jane Fonda calls 'getting the body into position.'"
No kidding? What else would you call it?
Next paragraph: "The hard part is what comes next: getting the mind into position . . ."
Get it?
Get it?
I also recommend binaural beats. Look up "Mindwave" on your iPhone, it's $1.99 but it's really good.
white noise (set to your liking) really helps.
url:http://www.simplynoise.com/
If you prefer something more flexible, sbagen is a freeware binaural beat generator. you can create your own(and risk?) or use several beats generated for you. There are about 40 beats just for focusing
url: http://uazu.net/sbagen/
url:http://www.simplynoise.com/
If you prefer something more flexible, sbagen is a freeware binaural beat generator. you can create your own(and risk?) or use several beats generated for you. There are about 40 beats just for focusing
url: http://uazu.net/sbagen/
For those wondering, the use of a meditation cushion and a proper posture is to make it comfortable to sit upright (not slouch) for long periods of time. It's important and shouldn't be thought of as just sitting down.
http://www.dhamma.org/
I did the course in Kyoto years ago (there are locations worldwide: http://www.dhamma.org/en/alphalist.shtml ). The entire 10 days you do nothing more than watch your breath. First 6 or 7 days are hell, the remaining days are heaven. Just need some time for the dust to settle.
The entire course, accommodations, and meals are offered completely free of charge. They won't even accept a donation until you've experienced the course. Even then, there was no overt push to collect money from participants.
They ask you to leave your existing practices at the door, and offer no new dogmas other than watching your breath/mind.
I haven't been back to another course or otherwise involved with the group since then, but it had a profound impact on my life.