[Show HN] An experiment - Group Chat from just a URL(groups.gaglers.com)
groups.gaglers.com
[Show HN] An experiment - Group Chat from just a URL
http://groups.gaglers.com/
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Gee, thanks! We were thinking that we'd allow other websites to take a url and embed it within their site or collaborative area. Do you think that will help?
Yeah, I hear you about file attachments :)
Yeah, I hear you about file attachments :)
A great and simple idea and a service that I think a lot of small companies would actually pay for if you execute it well. The front page of HN will be a good load test...
However I'd also be concerned about security - if you're trying to sell this as a service, you'd need to password protect groups somehow and ideally serve on https. Can't see this on the site right now but presumably you're planning to offer this? Perhaps this is just an experiment, but having no guarantees like this would not reassure me - ideally chats should be namespaced too so that there are no issues with collisions of chat room names.
There's no way I'd type anything useful into a chat like this without basic security in place and being reassured about how the data was stored and deleted. Chats are just too prone to leaking information because they're so informal, so it's even more important than email in a way. In fact I'd probably prefer to buy the software and run it on my server to be sure about that if actually using it.
However I'd also be concerned about security - if you're trying to sell this as a service, you'd need to password protect groups somehow and ideally serve on https. Can't see this on the site right now but presumably you're planning to offer this? Perhaps this is just an experiment, but having no guarantees like this would not reassure me - ideally chats should be namespaced too so that there are no issues with collisions of chat room names.
There's no way I'd type anything useful into a chat like this without basic security in place and being reassured about how the data was stored and deleted. Chats are just too prone to leaking information because they're so informal, so it's even more important than email in a way. In fact I'd probably prefer to buy the software and run it on my server to be sure about that if actually using it.
Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, we would provide https, password protected groups and a nice dashboard to view the transcripts.
Embedding it within a site isn't as useful for me, personally. Possibly for others.
Perhaps the ability to pay for a permanent URL (or chat room ID) so a team can bookmark it for times when they need to chat. Or a URL I can easily send to someone without having to always "register" a new one.
I can see that being part of a paid tier (along with TLD mapping, UI customization, etc).
Perhaps the ability to pay for a permanent URL (or chat room ID) so a team can bookmark it for times when they need to chat. Or a URL I can easily send to someone without having to always "register" a new one.
I can see that being part of a paid tier (along with TLD mapping, UI customization, etc).
Could you allow verbatim text for code as well?
Keep up the good work - it really is pretty engaging at the moment.
Keep up the good work - it really is pretty engaging at the moment.
> "Profanity detected. Message cannot be sent"
Seriously?
Seriously?
Yeah, there is a simple trie that checks for common profanity words. I'm sure we can improve it. :)
I would love to use this service, but I demand the freedom to bitch and moan to my friends using whatever cuss words I fucking feel like.
Just override the isProfanityPresent() function:
function isProfanityPresent() {return false}I had a good laugh when someone on the chat mentioned this. "It's client-side?!"
See http://groups.gaglers.com/chat/wordfilter/ for the data is loads as profanity
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Really ?!
attractive
abusive
bra
style
naked
seduce
seductive
sex
sexy
gay
homo
oral
testicle
You can improve it by getting rid of it.
Couple questions:
* Why bother using a trie?
* Why bother filtering profanity?
* Why bother using a trie?
* Why bother filtering profanity?
this is just a geeky experiment. We can turn it off if needed, ofcourse.
Given that it's private chat, there's really no need to censor it. Anyone using it has been invited.
(Just to add to the chorus.)
How does that work?
"non ne ho idea" (Italian for "I have no idea") triggers the filter, which is a non sense.
"non ne ho idea" (Italian for "I have no idea") triggers the filter, which is a non sense.
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What do you mean by "may exist"?
Failed! "asdjoiqndiqnw09d21eh09n20dnqdqddqw" may exist, try another name
Failed! "sdf" may exist, try another name
Failed! "sdkjfhjkshf" may exist, try another name
Failed! "kjht7y248i23uh" may exist, try another name
> Failed! "test" may exist, try another name
> Failed! "another name" may exist, try another name
> Failed! "i just did" may exist, try another namebut apparently touchme wasn't taken!
Choosing 'Ø' as my name made the whole thing go blank.. removing the cookies and choosing another name made it work again..
Edit: Great idea btw :)
Edit: Great idea btw :)
> Failed! "sodihfoihvocin" may exist, try another name
Hmm. Every name I tried gave me this message. At first I thought it was because I used obvious names that other people had used, like "test" and "foobar", but even the above random string of gibberish failed.
Hmm. Every name I tried gave me this message. At first I thought it was because I used obvious names that other people had used, like "test" and "foobar", but even the above random string of gibberish failed.
Kudos. Very clean design. I toyed with pretty much the exact same concept a few years ago when I wanted to try out Google's AppEngine:
http://yakeze.appspot.com/nick/hackernews2013/
http://yakeze.appspot.com/nick/hackernews2013/
If you're going to give people a unique URL to give out, then can we have non unique group names? I couldn't find a relevant group name that wasn't already taken, so resorted to mashing the keyboard
Interesting. I've been working on a very similar concept but based on IRC. There's a version running here: http://lalo-g7stltno.dotcloud.com/
Once authenticated with your Twitter account you can join a room using the URL, the path represents a room/channel. The cool thing is that you can also join to that channel using a standard IRC client as well.
The code is here: https://github.com/malditogeek/lalo
Once authenticated with your Twitter account you can join a room using the URL, the path represents a room/channel. The cool thing is that you can also join to that channel using a standard IRC client as well.
The code is here: https://github.com/malditogeek/lalo
When me and a friend of mine were experimenting in creating a web chat we realized that inserting new messages into the beginning of page (or div) is much better for both users and developers. No bothering with autoscrolling. No user distraction of autoscrolling when he reads previous messages. It was really a good decision.
Anyway IRC is much better. I don't want to live my life in a multitabbed web browser window.
Anyway IRC is much better. I don't want to live my life in a multitabbed web browser window.
Good idea! thanks.
I'd also make the identifiers non-guessable.
I'm having quite a nice conversation with kokpo at the moment but I don't think he meant to invite me ;)
I'm having quite a nice conversation with kokpo at the moment but I don't think he meant to invite me ;)
Whatever I try to use as group name, "it may already exist":
“Failed! "almzirfmzeurfuerzf" may exist, try another name”
“Failed! "lalalalalalalahello" may exist, try another name”
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“Failed! "almzirfmzeurfuerzf" may exist, try another name”
“Failed! "lalalalalalalahello" may exist, try another name”
…
Same issue:
Failed! "this name is clearly not in use due to the random string of characters it ended with ~agsh1das82S~" may exist, try another name
Perhaps the system is overloaded, or they use a dynamically generated unique identifier with each room, such as a short URL of 3-6 characters, if they're numeric only HN and Reddit could probably fill it pretty quickly - but without any more information, this is all guess work.
Failed! "this name is clearly not in use due to the random string of characters it ended with ~agsh1das82S~" may exist, try another name
Perhaps the system is overloaded, or they use a dynamically generated unique identifier with each room, such as a short URL of 3-6 characters, if they're numeric only HN and Reddit could probably fill it pretty quickly - but without any more information, this is all guess work.
Keep getting:
Failed! "rexasdsfed" may exist, try another name
Failed! "rexasdsfed" may exist, try another name
I was surprised by what names were already taken. Seemed like there was a bug in the name check rather than the name actually being taken.
this is a bug! We are looking into it
I'd like to be able to use this for my telepresence rig. Please let me know if I can license this.
Let us talk. Can you send me a email? My email is in profile.
I tried 5 random names (each more complex and more unique than the last) and each one failed...
Tried to create groups with non-us character in it (ö) and get the following message:
Page unavailable Sorry, but the requested page is unavailable due to a server hiccup. Our engineers have been notified, so check back later.
Page unavailable Sorry, but the requested page is unavailable due to a server hiccup. Our engineers have been notified, so check back later.
this is cool, any possibility of the source showing up on github?
https://crypto.cat/ will give you encrypted group chat from a word. But you do have to install an extension.
The bug that caused many group creations to fail is fixed now. Let us know if there are still more issues.
One issue I noticed immediately, if you resize the window while in chat, the input box overlaps the chat.
Feature request: The ability to associate an gravatar email address after I've entered a room..
These things pop up about every six months. Some have a USP, others like this one, don't.
typed in three choices of group name: one a dictionary word, another a university module code, the last a random selection of about 20+ letters. All three choices returned the same error message - that this group may already exist.
My biggest problem is that I never remember them for when I need them and resort to group chats. Often that's "good enough" but for when everyone isn't on the same network something like this would be nice. Again, the hardest part is thinking about the service when I need it.
A feature request would be file attachments. It's 2013 and attaching a file in a chat is still extremely painful and rarely works.