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Manhattanhenge
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Tyson has enough street-cred as a skeptic
http://www.skepticality.com/neil-degrasse-tyson/
that I'm sure his tongue is firmly in his cheek when he writes of future civilizations speculating on cultural reasons for Manhattan's grid alignment.
By the way, I especially like the last paragraph of the submitted post, which assumes a readership mostly in the temperate zone of the Northern Hemisphere: "While we are on the subject, when viewed from all latitudes north of the Tropic of Cancer (23.5 degrees north latitude), the Sun always rises at an angle up and to the right, and sets and an angle down and to the right. That's how you can spot a faked sunrise in a movie: it moves up and to the left. Filmmakers are not typically awake in the morning hours to film an actual sunrise, so they film a sunset instead, and then time-reverse it, thinking nobody will notice."
http://www.skepticality.com/neil-degrasse-tyson/
that I'm sure his tongue is firmly in his cheek when he writes of future civilizations speculating on cultural reasons for Manhattan's grid alignment.
By the way, I especially like the last paragraph of the submitted post, which assumes a readership mostly in the temperate zone of the Northern Hemisphere: "While we are on the subject, when viewed from all latitudes north of the Tropic of Cancer (23.5 degrees north latitude), the Sun always rises at an angle up and to the right, and sets and an angle down and to the right. That's how you can spot a faked sunrise in a movie: it moves up and to the left. Filmmakers are not typically awake in the morning hours to film an actual sunrise, so they film a sunset instead, and then time-reverse it, thinking nobody will notice."
Tyson had a funny bit when he recently appeared on the Daily Show - he noted that the spinning Earth at the beginning of the show was spinning backwards.
...which assumes a readership mostly in the temperate zone of the Northern Hemisphere...
should be: which assumes a film industry mostly in the temperate zone of the Northern Hemisphere
should be: which assumes a film industry mostly in the temperate zone of the Northern Hemisphere
Any examples of this on YouTube? What movies have sunrise scenes long enough to see sun motion?
Plenty of movies have time-lapsed scenes of the sun going up and coming down. Vampire movies are a notable example, because of the significance of the sun. I'm pretty sure "Blade" had a couple of examples.
Films featuring people trapped and forced to survive in the desert are probably also good candidates. And some romances where the couple watch the sun set on a beach, or possibly watch it rise having had that "first talk" all through the night.
Films featuring people trapped and forced to survive in the desert are probably also good candidates. And some romances where the couple watch the sun set on a beach, or possibly watch it rise having had that "first talk" all through the night.
GUYS! I am pretty sure those little Stonehenge references are are just humor. The author is not REALLY suggesting that future civilization would be puzzled by Manhattan's grid. The comparisons with Stonehenge are just an amusing way of pointing out this phenomena that many people are probably not aware of.
Personally I think it is pretty cool that the perfect conditions for observing this are only available in a few cities - despite the fact there must be a lot of cities around the world with skyscrapers and grid like street plans.
Personally I think it is pretty cool that the perfect conditions for observing this are only available in a few cities - despite the fact there must be a lot of cities around the world with skyscrapers and grid like street plans.
If everything is the same every year, though,
> Future anthropologists might conclude that, via the Sun, the people who called themselves Americans worshiped War and Baseball.
doesn't seem entirely implausible to me. (Of course, the anthropologists would be in error, it's just vaguely reasonable if you haven't seen anything else.)
> Future anthropologists might conclude that, via the Sun, the people who called themselves Americans worshiped War and Baseball.
doesn't seem entirely implausible to me. (Of course, the anthropologists would be in error, it's just vaguely reasonable if you haven't seen anything else.)
"For 2012 they fall on May 29th, and July 12th" and "These two days happen to correspond with Memorial Day and Baseball's All Star break".
More mystic crap. Memorial Day in 2012 is May 28, not May 29 and the MLB All Star Break beings July 9. Neil deGrasse Tyson shouldn't even write like this, getting drawn into mystical interpretations, even in jest, just reinforces the idea that it's worth thinking about crap like that.
More mystic crap. Memorial Day in 2012 is May 28, not May 29 and the MLB All Star Break beings July 9. Neil deGrasse Tyson shouldn't even write like this, getting drawn into mystical interpretations, even in jest, just reinforces the idea that it's worth thinking about crap like that.
Believing in mysticism might be crap, but it's certainly worth thinking about. Anthropological study of belief is highly valid and valuable. Even in jest.
I'm pretty sure this is an article that has been updated for years. It probably fell perfectly on those dates early in the series, then the deviations weren't enough to sacrifice the humor later on.
Memorial Day observed is on the 28th. Actual memorial day is on the 29th according to my calendar.
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a classic well-actually (see http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/Feb-17.html)
Agreed. I ignored the hyperbole about future anthropologists and took this as tips for photography in Manhattan.
See also the poster and concept of the same name by artist Heidi Neilson (2009): http://www.heidineilson.com/manhattanhenge.php
As an interesting aside -- I visited Ireland last year and became aware of this place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange
Possibly the oldest 'intact' human built structure in the world. Much older than stonehenge or the Pyramids.
Possibly the oldest 'intact' human built structure in the world. Much older than stonehenge or the Pyramids.
FYI it appears these are older: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalithic_Temples_of_Malta
Thanks.
Although now I'm in the wikipedia rabbit hole -- looking at fascinating places like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knap_of_Howar (potentially older than those Malta temples) and most of the other sites on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_buildings_in...
Although now I'm in the wikipedia rabbit hole -- looking at fascinating places like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knap_of_Howar (potentially older than those Malta temples) and most of the other sites on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_buildings_in...
Obligatory MIT version: MITHenge. http://web.mit.edu/planning/www/mithenge.html
This is fantastic. For most people, this type of stuff goes unnoticed. However this is great. I think we should start compiling a list of similar alignments around the world?
Such as the alleged alignment of the Box Tunnel on Brunel's birthday?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_Tunnel#Brunel.27s_birthday
All I see is myself squinting painfully trying to see ahead and not crash.
"Future anthropologists might conclude that, via the Sun, the people who called themselves Americans worshiped War and Baseball."
It may not be via the sun but I'm afraid for those of us looking in from outside the fishbowl, the vast majority of Americans indeed worship War and Baseball.
It may not be via the sun but I'm afraid for those of us looking in from outside the fishbowl, the vast majority of Americans indeed worship War and Baseball.
s/Baseball/Football/
For those of us looking in, we already have a game called football, so s/Baseball/American Football/
Fair point. I debated using that phrase to be more technically correct. I opted for brevity at the expense of accuracy.
You were still perfectly correct. The name of the sport is "football." If you call it an apple and they say, "no, it's a green apple," then you're not wrong; they're just pedantic.
For "those of us looking in" (see parent^5, which this thread is about) it's not just pedantry but a necessary distinction. Although your game's True Name might very well be "football", to all of the rest of us "football" means Association Football (soccer). If you say "football", we'll instinctively think "soccer".
Every. Single. Time.
Sometime's we'll double-take, realise it's an American talking, and they probably actually mean "American Football". But it's not what we think of first, and if we're not sure if it's an American speaking (like you can't on the internet) then it may well not occur to us.
Every. Single. Time.
Sometime's we'll double-take, realise it's an American talking, and they probably actually mean "American Football". But it's not what we think of first, and if we're not sure if it's an American speaking (like you can't on the internet) then it may well not occur to us.
2 more parents up, the topic is about what Americans worship. The context made it obvious which was being referred to.
To those so socially stagnant to not realize that Neil deGrasse Tyson wrote this for a broader audience, and who feel an intense need to "correct" him regarding details about Stonehenge: grow up.
Top comment is basically saying, "your joke is lame, and this devalues the significance of Stonehenge." Some of the "wider audience", who may or may not be familiar with Stonehenge's properties, may in fact conclude, "so Stonehenge is basically BS like this?"
It's a bit of an over-wrought setup for what is basically a tip on when to get the sun just right for a nice photo in Manhattan. Still appreciate the tip, though. The setup is no doubt amusing to some and not others. I feel like for this kind of thing, both camps' opinions are perfectly valid, since it's a matter of personal preference. And that the "negative" opinion was expressed in a HN thread is... not surprising in the least.
It's a bit of an over-wrought setup for what is basically a tip on when to get the sun just right for a nice photo in Manhattan. Still appreciate the tip, though. The setup is no doubt amusing to some and not others. I feel like for this kind of thing, both camps' opinions are perfectly valid, since it's a matter of personal preference. And that the "negative" opinion was expressed in a HN thread is... not surprising in the least.
No, if they notice this they'll go: "Any grid on the Earth's surface has the same effect, it's just question of the angle" and then they'll be quiet about it. Stonehenge is interesting because its alignment is specific to the solstice so anyone digging it up can see that it was built for a purpose. Manhattan on the other hand doesn't seem to have any specific purpose from an astronomical perspective and if you look at the shape of the island you'll see that the avenues were built parallel to the long 'sides' of it. So, I hope future people will be sensible and not start looking for some astronomical significance to Manhattan.