New Ubuntu is out(ubuntu.com)
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New Ubuntu is out
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
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"absolutely the current"?
is that like "i accidentally the whole..."?
is that like "i accidentally the whole..."?
oops. I accidentally the verb while editing ;)
Thank you for this!
Try unetbootin:
http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
I installed the new ubuntu on my 2GB USB flash drive in less than 15 minutes. Sure is handy when you don't want to burn a CD you know you are going to use less than 5 times :-). Plus it boots fast, unlike the sluggish livecd's. You can make your choice from about a two dozen distro's including LinuxMint (which I intend to try very soon), Fedora, Puppy, DamnSmallLinux and other great ones.
Hey, thanks for that! I don't have any CD-R's handy (and won't be able to get any till next week), so this was perfect. Once I figured out that the USB drive has to be formated as FAT32, I was solid.
I'm still not convinced the 2.6.27 kernel is stable enough. Our .27 test cluster (various distros including U8.10) has numerous issues that just ARENT fixed yet.
I always hate Ubuntu .10 releases :( even when they call it "stable" is usually isn;t and we see a huge increase in (client) issues...
I always hate Ubuntu .10 releases :( even when they call it "stable" is usually isn;t and we see a huge increase in (client) issues...
I have to reluctantly agree with this statement. It shouldn't be that when I upgrade to 8.10 from 8.04 I am stuck fixing all of the issues that the upgrade itself broke (for example wireless is working poorly and is non-functional after suspends). While these issues are marginal and will only suck up a few minutes of my time, there are plenty of positives. Notably, GIMP, GNOME, and various other upgrades are quite nice.
I always felt guilty complaining about the stability of an Ubuntu distro. If I wanted stability I would stick with Debian or BSD. For free software of such quality, what I am gaining is certainly worth the time ensuring it works on my system.
I always felt guilty complaining about the stability of an Ubuntu distro. If I wanted stability I would stick with Debian or BSD. For free software of such quality, what I am gaining is certainly worth the time ensuring it works on my system.
I sympathise over the Wifi issue. Had many similar issues.
I always consider 8.10 of "cutting edge" quality and never bother to upgrade our day-to-day systems for a couple of months after release (sometimes we even wait till the next .04). As you say it's not worth the issue fixing headaches :P
Agreed though: the package updates are nice.
I always consider 8.10 of "cutting edge" quality and never bother to upgrade our day-to-day systems for a couple of months after release (sometimes we even wait till the next .04). As you say it's not worth the issue fixing headaches :P
Agreed though: the package updates are nice.
I can update some packages without upgrading the release, right?
I installed 8.10 and couldn't get enough of what I wanted to working and quickly reinstalled 8.04.
cough FreeBSD! cough
Is there any harm in installing the 64bit version? Will most programs be available for it? I have a core2duo processor, those are 64bit right?
I don't know how much things have improved with Ibex, but there are some (mostly resolvable) issues with 64bit on hardy.
You need to play around to find solutions for some bits of software you don't have the source to, e.g. flash plugin, ndiswrapper wifi drivers. Ubuntu forums are good for this.
The only unresolved 64bit issue I hit was that Java LiveConnect (accessing browser javascript from java applets) was broken in the 64-bit java available for Hardy. Haven't checked to see if it's fixed in Ibex yet.
(Hmm...I abbreviate Hardy Heron => Heron, but Intrepid Ibex => Ibex. I wonder why.)
Yes, core2 is 64-bit.
You need to play around to find solutions for some bits of software you don't have the source to, e.g. flash plugin, ndiswrapper wifi drivers. Ubuntu forums are good for this.
The only unresolved 64bit issue I hit was that Java LiveConnect (accessing browser javascript from java applets) was broken in the 64-bit java available for Hardy. Haven't checked to see if it's fixed in Ibex yet.
(Hmm...I abbreviate Hardy Heron => Heron, but Intrepid Ibex => Ibex. I wonder why.)
Yes, core2 is 64-bit.
I've had major issues with the Flash player not having an up to date and stable 64-bit version. Everything else has been perfect.
I have used 64-bit Debian for several years and haven't had any problems.
Remember that pointers are the double size in a 64bit memory layout. Depending on their structure, your programs might consume more memory. But you get to break the memory limit of a single program and you get rid of some of the cruft in the x86 ISA.
I've had few problems with a 64 bit Ubuntu on an AMD64 Athlon. The most notable is 32bit video codecs and flash. Interestingly, you can play Homeworld 2 and Warcraft III fine in Wine even on 64 bit.
The primary is problem is not that we progressed to 64 bit. It is that some operating systems and programs are still 32 bit dependent.
I've had few problems with a 64 bit Ubuntu on an AMD64 Athlon. The most notable is 32bit video codecs and flash. Interestingly, you can play Homeworld 2 and Warcraft III fine in Wine even on 64 bit.
The primary is problem is not that we progressed to 64 bit. It is that some operating systems and programs are still 32 bit dependent.
"... Is there any harm in installing the 64bit version (ubuntu)? ..."
Are you upgrading or re-installing from another OS or is this a new system? Each of those have slight problems (bloat when upgrading, backup your data before you install). Aside from that the only problems I've had are existing commercial software like flash (32 bit probably never to be 64).
Are you upgrading or re-installing from another OS or is this a new system? Each of those have slight problems (bloat when upgrading, backup your data before you install). Aside from that the only problems I've had are existing commercial software like flash (32 bit probably never to be 64).
Doing a clean install. Was running Hardy 32bit. Anyone know if flash 64bit works yet?
"... Anyone know if flash 64bit works yet? ..."
No 64bit but try http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FlashPlayer9 (Adobe Flash Player Non-free plugin installer) and more FOSS alternatives System->Administration->Synaptic & search for 'Flash'.
"... Was running Hardy 32bit ..."
You can keep your home partition or data if you want.
No 64bit but try http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FlashPlayer9 (Adobe Flash Player Non-free plugin installer) and more FOSS alternatives System->Administration->Synaptic & search for 'Flash'.
"... Was running Hardy 32bit ..."
You can keep your home partition or data if you want.
Oh it works just it often crashes (the whole browser).
Third party programs not in the repositories are sometimes released only for 32-bit, though I expect to see this change pretty rapidly.
Do you guys think we'll start seeing this release on Slicehost/Linode soon?
Any major advantage over Hardy (from a server perspective)?
Any major advantage over Hardy (from a server perspective)?
I updated my slices to it a few days ago, and it seems to work ok:
http://journal.dedasys.com/2008/10/25/slicehost-ubuntu-intre...
BTW, more here:
http://journal.dedasys.com/2008/10/30/slicehost-migration
http://journal.dedasys.com/2008/10/25/slicehost-ubuntu-intre...
BTW, more here:
http://journal.dedasys.com/2008/10/30/slicehost-migration
When I did a test upgrade on my slice a couple weeks ago ( same reasoning as yours :P ), I ended up with a lot of .sh scripts in my `rcconf` listings as things that would start up with the box. Any idea if you have those on your machine now, or if it was a fluke of upgrading back before the RC/final?
I'm going to hold off a bit before upgrading. What I run on my laptop, while having Ubuntu as a base, ends it's similarity to the Ubuntu defaults there. There's not much in this release that helps me out a bunch, may as well let some bugs / deficiencies work themselves up before upgrading the system.
I appear to be on the list of people for whom the upgrade will remove 3d acceleration. I'm going to have to wait. Does anyone know if this is purely an issue with kernel and drivers that should get resolved soon or if this is a strategic change in supporting the vendor drivers (Nvidia in my case)?
Update: my driver was supported, upgraded, all was quite smooth. Bonus: couchdb package in 8.10.
the new kernel change my /dev/hda to /dev/sda, which messed up my custom fstab entry. so it went to command prompt on startup to allow me to change it. fine apart from that.
I know people complain when new Windows releases take 5 years, but is the opposite better. I mean I just got my official 8.04.1 CD last month.
Every release brings buzz to Ubuntu. Frequent releases probably mean a larger userbase.
You can stick with the long term support releases if you don't want to do lots of upgrading.
Exactly. The Ubuntu releases are more incremental. Really all that the new releases contain are new and updated patches, occasionally a new kernel release, better support, occasionally additional applications, etc.
It's not like Windows where each release usually brings some serious changes.
It's not like Windows where each release usually brings some serious changes.
Linux distribution releases are really about cat herding. With
* Gnome * KDE * The kernel * Openoffice * Firefox * Mysql * Postgresql
You're almost bound to release just before or just after someone else's "big release" and so either miss it and be a bit out of date, or include something that is perhaps not 100% stable.
* Gnome * KDE * The kernel * Openoffice * Firefox * Mysql * Postgresql
You're almost bound to release just before or just after someone else's "big release" and so either miss it and be a bit out of date, or include something that is perhaps not 100% stable.
The 8.10 releases tend to be more "experimental". I dont think it's advised to actually run a day to day system with it :)
and trashed my damn xorg.conf
I don't know about ubuntu, but Kubuntu sucks(at least the RC did).
I don't know about Kubuntu, but Ubuntu doesn't suck (at least the 8.04 version didn't).
I don't know about Kubuntu but I wish linux had something like Microsoft Update.
apt-get and yum are a bit too "no, it's your decision, do you want to update libobscure-2.4.6.so and risk breaking everything?"
apt-get and yum are a bit too "no, it's your decision, do you want to update libobscure-2.4.6.so and risk breaking everything?"
You can set your update manager to only fetch security updates and install them in the background (and via a GUI, too!). They don't break anything and you won't get bugged.
Plus, many people have huge hard drives and making backups of the OS isn't hard. You can fix it of course, but why bother when can you do it faster restoring from a backup..
Plus, many people have huge hard drives and making backups of the OS isn't hard. You can fix it of course, but why bother when can you do it faster restoring from a backup..
Having said this, Windows Update does find a new bloody error code every single time I run it and it never has a clue what the error code means.
So, perhaps, something better than that.
On the plus side, XP SP3 removes the option to have the IE address bar in the taskbar "for legal reasons" and the whole point of free software is to get away from that kind of junk. So maybe it's not all bad the apt-get your-hands-off-my-config-files way.
So, perhaps, something better than that.
On the plus side, XP SP3 removes the option to have the IE address bar in the taskbar "for legal reasons" and the whole point of free software is to get away from that kind of junk. So maybe it's not all bad the apt-get your-hands-off-my-config-files way.
Linux Mint (based on Ubuntu) has MintUpdate:
http://www.linuxmint.com/blog/?p=71
It rates packages by criticality during updates and hides the riskier ones by default. This is more important for Mint than Ubuntu proper, though, since Mint is a remix on top of the original packages and is more likely to break during a regular package update.
http://www.linuxmint.com/blog/?p=71
It rates packages by criticality during updates and hides the riskier ones by default. This is more important for Mint than Ubuntu proper, though, since Mint is a remix on top of the original packages and is more likely to break during a regular package update.
Kubuntu 8.04 kicks ass, but 8.10 sucks. Maybe its because of KDE 4, but i had a hard time setting up my keymaps,the new adept had random bugs in it, and i found it almost impossible to eject a CD!(i click eject and the cd ejects and GOES BACK IN!?!?!). On the other hand, since i switched back to 8.04 this morning, I've been missing folderview all day. KDE 4 has some good ideas in it, but needs more time to mature.
ps. I love kubuntu, but this time they screwed up seriously!
ps. I love kubuntu, but this time they screwed up seriously!
The CD issue is a known bug (read the release notes). The temporary fix (until an SRU can make it to the repos) is to press eject again before the CD is remounted, and then it won't pull itself back in again.
I am so far very happy with 8.10, too. Finally dual screen works out of the box, yay! Even flashplayer continued to work after the update, what more can one wish for?
Intel wifi cards (4965 and 3945) don't work anymore?
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#System%20lo...
I hate to sound negative, but this makes no freaking sense. Those two Intel cards have been pretty much the only safe choice for Linux laptop buyers: everything else, including Dell crap, doesn't work at all or requires using terrible hacks like ndiswrapper. The first thing I look for when getting a laptop, is to make sure the wireless card is one of those two. AND THEY DON'T WORK ANYMORE?!
To me this sounds like a distro with pretty much disabled WiFi.
FUCK.
I hate to sound negative, but this makes no freaking sense. Those two Intel cards have been pretty much the only safe choice for Linux laptop buyers: everything else, including Dell crap, doesn't work at all or requires using terrible hacks like ndiswrapper. The first thing I look for when getting a laptop, is to make sure the wireless card is one of those two. AND THEY DON'T WORK ANYMORE?!
To me this sounds like a distro with pretty much disabled WiFi.
FUCK.
From the release notes link you posted:
Users affected by this issue can install the linux-backports-modules-intrepid package, to install a newer version of this driver that corrects the bug.
Calm down.
Users affected by this issue can install the linux-backports-modules-intrepid package, to install a newer version of this driver that corrects the bug.
Calm down.
Wireless worked on my 3945 machine, and although I may have not used it much, there is no reason to panic.
http://martin.ankerl.com/2008/05/13/human-compact-gnome-them...
It just makes the default Human and Clearlooks themes much more compact, so its a good way to get more screen space without going all XMonad-crazy ;)
Edit: Also, the "Esco" and "Metabox" window borders are good companions to this, as they are the most compact ones shipping be default (at least on 8.04)