Ask HN: What is going on in Ukraine?
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Don't trust HN on this. Read the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589
HN is for tech, not geopolitics.
HN is for tech, not geopolitics.
BBC is obviously going to have western (and UK) bias, so perhaps better advice would be to read that in addition to other sources from other regions.
There was a survey that shows that most of HN users are American. I'm not, but this place definitely has some American bias.
Something like Al Jazeera and SCMP are great non-Western news sources.
Something like Al Jazeera and SCMP are great non-Western news sources.
From the guidelines:
"Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."
So yeah, the conflict should actually be flagged as off topic.
"Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."
So yeah, the conflict should actually be flagged as off topic.
some interesting new phenomenon
Oh dear. Trusting one source is not enough and the BBC has a clear bias on this.
Use multiple sources, rather than just one (very biased) source.
Use multiple sources, rather than just one (very biased) source.
I’ve been trying to devour as many lectures about the general situation there as possible and I think I’d start here:
[Why is Ukraine the West’s Fault?]( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4)
Most other lectures I’ve seen have been reactionary to news of late, whereas this is hauntingly prescient.
[Why is Ukraine the West’s Fault?]( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4)
Most other lectures I’ve seen have been reactionary to news of late, whereas this is hauntingly prescient.
My pretty unfounded opinions on this:
Because it's now or never, while there still is pro-Russian separatism and the Ukrainian military hasn't become even stronger.
Coordinate with China to exert pressure.
They don't want sanctions because it's bad for global business.
Living costs go up.
No, maybe (hopefully?) if the Baltic states get treated the same after Ukraine.
Because it's now or never, while there still is pro-Russian separatism and the Ukrainian military hasn't become even stronger.
Coordinate with China to exert pressure.
They don't want sanctions because it's bad for global business.
Living costs go up.
No, maybe (hopefully?) if the Baltic states get treated the same after Ukraine.
Why is this flagged? I don't see bias in questions. Maybe out of scope of HN?
My take on this: https://akselallas.xyz/posts/russia-geopolitics/
Trusting anyone on HN or any other social media to answer some of these questions for you is silly.
Of course the Professional Pundit Class isn't likely to be more informative. They just have a well realized propaganda script to read from already.
"the internet" at least gives you glimpses of what people honestly think; even if they aren't the people whose thought one the matter really matters.
"the internet" at least gives you glimpses of what people honestly think; even if they aren't the people whose thought one the matter really matters.
Putin is trying to normalize economic relations with the EU. I believe Russia feels like they have been treated like a malicious threat, a necessary evil that EU has been ‘tolerating’ due to energy needs. This is Putin saying, ‘ok we’re so evil, let me show you evil’.
They just want to be treated like a legitimate energy partner to Europe and not like a rascal that governments need to find some alternative solution for.
The outcome they seek is to wipe the table clean of negative attitudes, scale back of all sanctions, and just general good-faith energy deals without being seen as the worst thing ever.
Putin:
You need energy, we have energy, we’ll sell it to you. Why are you trying to subvert a simple economic exchange by co-opting Ukraine into NATO and also back dealing alternative pipeline projects? What is so bad about this basic arrangement? You think we are some old Soviet Cold War threat? Ok, let me show you the old Cold War Soviet threat. How come you don’t come fight us? Because we are not the Soviet Union and you know that.
That’s all it is. That’s why no one sensible can figure out the rational for any of this, because it really is a respect thing.
They just want to be treated like a legitimate energy partner to Europe and not like a rascal that governments need to find some alternative solution for.
The outcome they seek is to wipe the table clean of negative attitudes, scale back of all sanctions, and just general good-faith energy deals without being seen as the worst thing ever.
Putin:
You need energy, we have energy, we’ll sell it to you. Why are you trying to subvert a simple economic exchange by co-opting Ukraine into NATO and also back dealing alternative pipeline projects? What is so bad about this basic arrangement? You think we are some old Soviet Cold War threat? Ok, let me show you the old Cold War Soviet threat. How come you don’t come fight us? Because we are not the Soviet Union and you know that.
That’s all it is. That’s why no one sensible can figure out the rational for any of this, because it really is a respect thing.
One immediate economic impact seems to be that MOEX Russian index https://www.moex.com/en/ is down currently 29.4% from yesterday. Sorry, 30.5% now. Anyway, it updates every minute.
Please instead refer to the news sources to the level you trust them, not comments from random people like me, who might or might not be part of some misinformation campaign (whether consciously or not).
Please instead refer to the news sources to the level you trust them, not comments from random people like me, who might or might not be part of some misinformation campaign (whether consciously or not).
What should other countries do about it?
What's China position in all this?
Economic impact in Europe and America?
Is the USA going to war?