Tiktok User Banned for Talking About China's Uighur 'Concentration Camps'(newsweek.com)
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Tiktok User Banned for Talking About China's Uighur 'Concentration Camps'
https://www.newsweek.com/tiktok-user-claims-banned-posting-china-concentration-camps-1474119
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so TikTok will be the first politic-free platform? Just fun and entertainment? I would love it.
Sometime you have a platform, sometime you don't have one, get over it.
Intrigued by hearing that “many of us saw this coming”. Is there a frontier of folks in opposition to censorship of targeted platforms?
Thankfully it happens no where else.
4chan/diy was banned in my country for a long time "voluntarily" by telcos. There's plenty of garbage human beings on that site most certainly yes, but there's just as many on talkback radio late at night who advocate incredibly horrible things too, really horrible things, I worked in an industry documenting them.
Some people in society seem to get a free pass and others who are the mass media badguy of the day don't. To pretend it doesn't come down to advertising dollars is disingenuous.
4chan/diy was banned in my country for a long time "voluntarily" by telcos. There's plenty of garbage human beings on that site most certainly yes, but there's just as many on talkback radio late at night who advocate incredibly horrible things too, really horrible things, I worked in an industry documenting them.
Some people in society seem to get a free pass and others who are the mass media badguy of the day don't. To pretend it doesn't come down to advertising dollars is disingenuous.
>Unfortunately, no legislation appears to exist anywhere in the world...
I think you'll find a couple of countries, including China and Russia, have very effective methods to prevent foreign influence on their own citizens, all while they run very effective campaigns against the naive internet citizens of Western countries.
IMHO this is highly asymmetric warfare.
I think you'll find a couple of countries, including China and Russia, have very effective methods to prevent foreign influence on their own citizens, all while they run very effective campaigns against the naive internet citizens of Western countries.
IMHO this is highly asymmetric warfare.
I’m surprised everyone is somehow missing the fact the video is still up on TikTok and has not actually been removed.
How does that matter? The user was kicked off. Punished for speaking out. How is that okay?
I mean, people get banned from Twitter for similar stuff. Or at least similar in the minds of the people banning them.
Last weekend, I heard, on an NPR "Weekend Update" news blurb, a newsreader refer to the "Tiananmen crackdown", and "clashes between police and demonstrators", in the same sentence.
A crackdown is when police start arresting people for things they hadn't been. Mowing people down in the street with machine guns, wholesale, is called a "massacre".
A clash is when two armed parties battle. When police beat unarmed people with clubs, and blast them with firearms, that isn't a clash, it is an attack. "Clash" blames the demonstrators for being attacked.
Tiktok has no choice. NPR has a choice, and abandons it.
A crackdown is when police start arresting people for things they hadn't been. Mowing people down in the street with machine guns, wholesale, is called a "massacre".
A clash is when two armed parties battle. When police beat unarmed people with clubs, and blast them with firearms, that isn't a clash, it is an attack. "Clash" blames the demonstrators for being attacked.
Tiktok has no choice. NPR has a choice, and abandons it.
I overheard my coworker mention the "crackdowns" in Hong Kong. But it's way way worse when NPR does this. Shame.
Also note, https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/4/20947850/tiktok-bytedance...
-->Fears tiktok is or can be, contributory as a an indrect tentacle by the CCP for domineering memetic platforms.
-->Fears tiktok is or can be, contributory as a an indrect tentacle by the CCP for domineering memetic platforms.
I can't imagine that bodes well for Tik Tok in terms of long term consequences. Perhaps Tik Tok has been shown that this issue is out of its control - either by the CCP or US actions. At any rate, I think congress will take action against the company.
Just another day in a company controlled by CCP
But the CEO said that even if he wanted to he couldn't abide by the CCP's demands? /s
I’m skeptical the user was banned for this reason.
There were stories of users being banned for LGBT content, but I see tons of it on TikTok. Turns out the real situation was TikTok following local laws and only videos in Turkey were removed.
Edit: There must be more to this story [1] because the video is still up [2]
1. https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahfrier/status/119939287129360...
2. https://www.tiktok.com/@getmefamouspartthree/video/676265754...
There were stories of users being banned for LGBT content, but I see tons of it on TikTok. Turns out the real situation was TikTok following local laws and only videos in Turkey were removed.
Edit: There must be more to this story [1] because the video is still up [2]
1. https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahfrier/status/119939287129360...
2. https://www.tiktok.com/@getmefamouspartthree/video/676265754...
It's an app for children. Would you not expect to be ousted from Club Penguin for repeatedly starting discussions about Abu Ghraib?
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This is probably the dumbest take on a topic I've seen on HN. TikTok is not 'for' kids anymore than YouTube. They are both 13+.
TikTok is censored.
Facebook is censored.
Twitter is censored.
Reddit is censored.
So what's new in the world? Social networks are very likely a passing fad, that people grow out of as they get older and have developed more 'Internet Sense'.
Today it's China in the spotlight, yesterday it was Edward Snowden's revelations about the NSA.
Facebook is censored.
Twitter is censored.
Reddit is censored.
So what's new in the world? Social networks are very likely a passing fad, that people grow out of as they get older and have developed more 'Internet Sense'.
Today it's China in the spotlight, yesterday it was Edward Snowden's revelations about the NSA.
The tiktok user has been widely outed as a sinophobe in various platforms.
I think half the reason no one talks about this consistently is there's no naming consistency from the media.
Is it Uighur or Uyghur?
Is it Uighur or Uyghur?
Never saw anyone use Uighur. I thought it was typo.
Anyway I think Uyghur is more widely used one
Anyway I think Uyghur is more widely used one
I've always been familiar with Uighur, probably because:
> “Uighur,” with an “i,” has appeared for centuries in writings by Western scholars, and many Western media and experts on the region still prefer this spelling.
However, apparently native speakers prefer the other spelling:
> But members of this mostly Muslim ethnic group overwhelmingly prefer the spelling “Uyghur,” which they say more closely approximates the proper orthography and pronunciation in their native language, “Uyƣur."
The use of the latter spelling in the West seems to be a more recent shift to accommodate this.
Source: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/uyghur-spelling-0906...
> “Uighur,” with an “i,” has appeared for centuries in writings by Western scholars, and many Western media and experts on the region still prefer this spelling.
However, apparently native speakers prefer the other spelling:
> But members of this mostly Muslim ethnic group overwhelmingly prefer the spelling “Uyghur,” which they say more closely approximates the proper orthography and pronunciation in their native language, “Uyƣur."
The use of the latter spelling in the West seems to be a more recent shift to accommodate this.
Source: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/uyghur-spelling-0906...
That's a good point, I've always seen Uighur but who knows. The Chinese story has not gained a network effect yet, not enough people know about it to make it a profitable target for media companies. Occasionally you'll see a story on it, but until more people understand china headlines won't drive clicks.
Is TikTok the new NBA?
The video is still up though: https://www.tiktok.com/@getmefamouspartthree/video/676265754...
I'm holding judgment until further evidence that this is not another accusation equivalent to Iraq's WMD or Syria's chemical weapons in this trade war with China.
I'm holding judgment until further evidence that this is not another accusation equivalent to Iraq's WMD or Syria's chemical weapons in this trade war with China.
> holding judgment until further evidence
You're writing off a sustained torrent of multi-source evidence. Even the CCP admits they're "re-educating" an entire race.
If you can ignore those, I do wonder what it's going to take to convince you there's something bad happening.
You're writing off a sustained torrent of multi-source evidence. Even the CCP admits they're "re-educating" an entire race.
If you can ignore those, I do wonder what it's going to take to convince you there's something bad happening.
But the video is still up, so either the multi-source “evidence” is wrong, or it’s being exaggerated.
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The user in question was kicked off TikTok for their post. Evidence enough?
Or the CCP has heard of the Streisand Effect.
They don't deny this is happening.
They don't deny this is happening.
1. Develop platform targeting the youth
2. Gain huge market share
3. Censor and curate to influence young minds worldwide
Many of us this saw this coming long ago. Unfortunately, no legislation appears to exist anywhere in the world which could possibly stop such social media companies which are controlled by foreign agencies with agendas from being launched in their countries in the first place.
China has a TERRIBLE track record of censoring information, of not respecting user privacy, and of KILLING people for speaking out.
Letting infrastructure, apps, operating systems or social networks controlled by them (eg. Android forks, WeChat, TikTok) into your countries is a terrible idea.