Bitcoin and me (Hal Finney) (2013)(bitcointalk.org)
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Bitcoin and me (Hal Finney) (2013)
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March 2013. Anyone know how Hal is doing now? Still coding?
All I know is that his account on Bitcointalk was last active yesterday.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2436
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2436
Good sign I guess, he hasn't posted in a long time though. Not that I can blame him, the SNR on that forum is appalling.
Wow, really touching. It's amazing to read his optimism about life and the Bitcoin project even after all he's going through. Here's hoping he continues to defy the odds, like Stephen Hawking has.
Before yesterday, I thought Hal Finney was probably the leading candidate for being Satoshi. Him, Nick Szabo, Wei Dai, or some combination thereof. But now it seems far more likely that Satoshi is Satoshi.
Before yesterday, I thought Hal Finney was probably the leading candidate for being Satoshi. Him, Nick Szabo, Wei Dai, or some combination thereof. But now it seems far more likely that Satoshi is Satoshi.
now it seems far more likely that Satoshi is Satoshi.
Actually, Satoshi Nakamoto denied being Dorian Nakamoto. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7358150
Actually, Satoshi Nakamoto denied being Dorian Nakamoto. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7358150
That's why I said "far more likely" and not "certain". I commented on that article, if you check my history.
Wow, that ending hit me like a ton of bricks. I certainly have sympathy for those who invested their life savings into the Mt Gox crash and lost everything, but I doubt I could find a single one of them that could trade places with Hal and have half of his positive attitude.
Really helps put things in perspective.
Really helps put things in perspective.
I got curious when he said he mined block 70-something. Block #78 is the only one (in the 70's) that was transferred to a wallet with any activity - I followed said activity for a little bit, and it looks like he had 2,000 BTC strewn across a bunch of wallets that he moved to one wallet in 2011. Not too shabby for an accidental nest-egg! :-)
Did you miss the poignant and moving story of the onset of a terminal illness, christ.
Why does that make his comment less relevant or correct? Should we all just comment "so sad, he's way to young/talented/... to die"? Illness and death are just as ubiquitous and universal as they are sad. People get sick and die. Young people die. Talented people die.
I fail to understand how people make such a big deal out of developers dieing.
I fail to understand how people make such a big deal out of developers dieing.
It makes it less pertinent, I didn't comment on its correctness. Reading the post it starts off as standard HN bitcoin fodder and then takes a surprising turn into, what I found to be, a personal and touching story. Hence my knee-jerk response wouldn't be: "to the blockchain! :-)".
I understand. I wasn't as touched by this plot twist of sorts (partly because I read your comment prior to reading the article, so I knew what to expect). I've seen quite a few dieing developer stories over the past few months, so I've got a similar fealing towards "death of a developer" sob-stories as you have to BC fodder: I've read it too often before :)
The "christ" at the end makes it seem like you pass judgement on the top comment, while I thought it added some value to the discussion.
The "christ" at the end makes it seem like you pass judgement on the top comment, while I thought it added some value to the discussion.
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>I've seen quite a few dieing developer stories over the past few months, so I've got a similar fealing towards "death of a developer" sob-stories as you have to BC fodder: I've read it too often before :)
Jesus, what does it feel like to be you?
If you're hoping to add value to the discussion, I don't think telling the world in a crude and thoughtless manner ("sob-stories") how jaded you are about the tragic illness of a fellow human passes the bar.
Many of us know this man, did you think about that before you wrote this remark? But I'm doubting that would make a difference for you.
Man, I'm off the forums for a while, Reddit, HN, this whole bunch. This stuff is getting to me (which I'm sure some rejoice in).
Jesus, what does it feel like to be you?
If you're hoping to add value to the discussion, I don't think telling the world in a crude and thoughtless manner ("sob-stories") how jaded you are about the tragic illness of a fellow human passes the bar.
Many of us know this man, did you think about that before you wrote this remark? But I'm doubting that would make a difference for you.
Man, I'm off the forums for a while, Reddit, HN, this whole bunch. This stuff is getting to me (which I'm sure some rejoice in).
While I doubt many here really know the person in question personally (having read about him doesn't qualify), I'm sorry if you do (for both his illness and having offended you), and it's not as if I'm devoid of emotions.
I just don't think this is the forum to discuss such topics/stories, and I don't get emotionally attached to every bad news story that comes around. If I did, I'd be a very depressed person.
Regardless, we're getting way off track from the discussion now.
I just don't think this is the forum to discuss such topics/stories, and I don't get emotionally attached to every bad news story that comes around. If I did, I'd be a very depressed person.
Regardless, we're getting way off track from the discussion now.
Of course not. I just didn't have anything to add that wasn't already said perfectly by the users in that thread.
Sorry all I got out was "I participated in a Ponzi scheme early and benefited".
It has a lot more in common with "I was an early employee in a successful startup" than "I participated in a Ponzi scheme early".
I like to think of the Bitcoin protocol as a transaction service and the coins as shares of equity.
I like to think of the Bitcoin protocol as a transaction service and the coins as shares of equity.
I disagree, when I invest on a start up, those shares have inherent value because they are backed by a real company, not hype.
That's really cold, even though I'm not much of a bitcoin believer either. And actually, it seems he hasn't necessarily benefited yet, because he's going to hold on to his bitcoins for the future. I would urge him to sell, say, half of them, at the very least and put those in more conventional investments, for his kids' sakes.
At the very least make sure the important passwords he wants to pass on are kept securely and kept accessible.
He did mention the bitcoins are in a safe deposit box, and his kids are tech-savvy. With a paper wallet, instructions, and a proper will, they'll do just fine.
Yes, so the problem is more one of "all your eggs in one basket", unless he just left that out of the story.
Sounds like a good guy in any case, who worked on a lot of neat things, I wish him all the best.
Sounds like a good guy in any case, who worked on a lot of neat things, I wish him all the best.
Volatile object speculation, crapshoot, recurring bubble, vehicle of money laundering. There are plenty of disses against Bitcoin that at least have some validity. I'm sure there's more. But save Ponzi Scheme for things that actually fit the description.
The current trend with bitcoin is: buy bitcoin now, it'll go up, it'll be 10k by next year.
It's current valuation backed by nothing except hype, once there's not enough hype to keep the price afloat: there will be a lot of bag holders.
It's current valuation backed by nothing except hype, once there's not enough hype to keep the price afloat: there will be a lot of bag holders.
Thats all you have to say after reading such an article? Do you mean the guy is a bastard ?
Sorry all I got out was "I'm a butthurt and don't even understand Bitcoin".
The only reason BTC price rises is because of hype and idiots buying into the hype. Once the hype dies (as it's dying now), you can experience the pleasure of bag-holding.
Why don't you all in BTC? You are free to laugh at me when it hits 1k again.
Why don't you all in BTC? You are free to laugh at me when it hits 1k again.
technically, if it really is a Ponzi scheme as you state then you're saying that bitcoins will ultimately be worth zero. But in that case, he hasn't actually sold his bitcoins yet, so he hasn't benefited from the Ponzi scheme.
tsk tsk tsk.