Ask HN: Better options than grad school for getting into bay area software dev
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Can you be more specific about what you consider the "best jobs" and what your current experience is (or lacks)?
There's a lot of places hiring and willing to take chances on people with some demonstrable skills and ability to learn. Take any job that's closer (in tech, geography, or organization type) to your goals than your prior work, and go from there. Graduate degrees are not a prerequisite, and many employers would prefer seeing shipped code, on recent related projects, over formal credentials.
There's a lot of places hiring and willing to take chances on people with some demonstrable skills and ability to learn. Take any job that's closer (in tech, geography, or organization type) to your goals than your prior work, and go from there. Graduate degrees are not a prerequisite, and many employers would prefer seeing shipped code, on recent related projects, over formal credentials.
Best jobs: Lets say a "good job" is 75k starting, not more than 50 hours a week average workload. Theres a lot of other things I care about more, but keeping it highly quantifiable might make the discussion easier.
Experience: 4 years as a php software developer with good recommendations, but no where with with a huge number of users.
Applying to about 30 places, the reasons I've been turned down have been:
- Other candidates worked at bigger companies. - Didn't go to an impressive undergrad school. - Failed 1 technical screen out of 10 taken.
Could you name some of those places hiring?
Experience: 4 years as a php software developer with good recommendations, but no where with with a huge number of users.
Applying to about 30 places, the reasons I've been turned down have been:
- Other candidates worked at bigger companies. - Didn't go to an impressive undergrad school. - Failed 1 technical screen out of 10 taken.
Could you name some of those places hiring?
I suggest working to demonstrate interest and aptitude beyond PHP. (Even the famous PHP-using successes, Yahoo and Facebook, don't seem to be emphasizing it in their current job listings.) There are certainly PHP wizards and opportunities, but employers can fear that "just PHP" people are minimally self-taught, in isolation or on mostly non-tech teams, on small repetitive projects – and thus have bigger gaps in their experience, or more out-of-date habits, than people who've done a variety of things.
Personal projects, open-source contributions, or any work experience showing flexibility and use of new technology helps here. Simply indicating that you're eager to learn whatever new thing they want you to learn isn't enough, and can be seen as a negative: it's waiting for external direction, and they're hoping to see independent ambition/curiosity in the fields where they need help.
Similarly, avoid sending the signal that your main criteria is anyone who'll get you into the region at your minimum salary number. The employer will fear you have no special interest in their tech or market/products, and thus be harder to train up or likely to jump ship quickly.
Still, to a first approximation, every growing or well-funded company is always looking for people and often having a hard time finding them. Craigslist, the big job sites, and the monthly "Who's Hiring" thread on HN are all reasonable places to look for postings, but it also makes sense to look for companies with offerings you admire using technology you want (and have readied yourself) to work with, and then look for listings on their sites or ways to get the attention of their existing devs. If you're in the area, attending the meetups/networking events for your target technologies will also help you know who's using it, what they're doing, and what for what roles they're hiring.
Good luck!
Personal projects, open-source contributions, or any work experience showing flexibility and use of new technology helps here. Simply indicating that you're eager to learn whatever new thing they want you to learn isn't enough, and can be seen as a negative: it's waiting for external direction, and they're hoping to see independent ambition/curiosity in the fields where they need help.
Similarly, avoid sending the signal that your main criteria is anyone who'll get you into the region at your minimum salary number. The employer will fear you have no special interest in their tech or market/products, and thus be harder to train up or likely to jump ship quickly.
Still, to a first approximation, every growing or well-funded company is always looking for people and often having a hard time finding them. Craigslist, the big job sites, and the monthly "Who's Hiring" thread on HN are all reasonable places to look for postings, but it also makes sense to look for companies with offerings you admire using technology you want (and have readied yourself) to work with, and then look for listings on their sites or ways to get the attention of their existing devs. If you're in the area, attending the meetups/networking events for your target technologies will also help you know who's using it, what they're doing, and what for what roles they're hiring.
Good luck!
I'll put some more work in those directions and send out some more resumes. Whichever way it goes, thanks for taking the time to give me some pointers.
Google and Yahoo! are hiring. They get you well-above the salary range you are targeting. While it is not fair, when you said "php" experience, I thought ... wait is this a script kiddie or someone with a CS degree. This is unfortunately a rap that php has. Do you have a CS degree? Know other languages? If you are in fact a guru level php dev, you should consider applying to Facebook as they still use php last I heard. Best of luck!
A) Gone to a top tier school. B) Know somebody C) Had the type of experience that requires having gone to a top tier school or knowing somebody.
I was considering trying to get into a high tier grad school, but its not something I really want to do, I just don't see any other clear options for progressing as a software dev, and was hoping that someone could share advice.