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Cannot agree more. TBBT is one of my favourite TV shows. In recent series, a lot more jokes are made about Penny:
Sheldon: Stephen Hawking is...
Penny: Yeah I know, the wheelchair dude who invented time.What actually happened is that a superficial image of the nerd/geek culture has been appropriated by "our" former bullies.
The popularity of "I fucking love science" or "BBT" doesn't mean shit in this context. There was a short polemic essay [1] by Maddox about this phenomena.
The same topic is discussed in the video "You're Not such a Nerd: Commodification of Nerd and Gamer Sub-culture" [2]
[1] http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=youre_not_a_nerd
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7A5OgfP4NA
The popularity of "I fucking love science" or "BBT" doesn't mean shit in this context. There was a short polemic essay [1] by Maddox about this phenomena.
The same topic is discussed in the video "You're Not such a Nerd: Commodification of Nerd and Gamer Sub-culture" [2]
[1] http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=youre_not_a_nerd
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7A5OgfP4NA
I guess part of "geek culture" is having been the uncool guy in school, having been pointed at and laughed at, getting bullied, being an outsider, andsoforth.
A comedy show where outsiders are being pointed and laughed at will often bring those experiences back, and really isn't helping.
A comedy show where outsiders are being pointed and laughed at will often bring those experiences back, and really isn't helping.
I wonder if there's an age breakdown for people who hate/like the show. I'm well past the age where early high school is something I flash back to, so I'm perfectly OK with the show.
But if I were younger I could see myself hating it. I can say that the "Revenge Of The Nerds" movies did me no favors at that stage of my life.
But if I were younger I could see myself hating it. I can say that the "Revenge Of The Nerds" movies did me no favors at that stage of my life.
hmm ... strange. I just speak from my personal experience.
I work in computer science research and consider myself a nerd/geek. I got already several statements when meeting new people, like "Oh ... you consider yourself nerd, no that cannot be, you are not weird or awkward like these guys at TBBT. I mean you can talk to women and do sports ...".
How TBBT portrays nerds seems to have an impact on how a larger part of society (at least in my vicinity) sees nerds and I believe it's the wrong picture they are advertising.
How TBBT portrays nerds seems to have an impact on how a larger part of society (at least in my vicinity) sees nerds and I believe it's the wrong picture they are advertising.
Even the blog post mentions the raging debate about what really makes one a "true geek". People calling others posers.
That is happening because it is now hip to be geek. Shirts should have geeky stuff on them, glasses should have thick black frames, toys and video games are used as part of the design when decorating, Comic Con is sold out a year in advance... list can be made however long you want to.
That is happening because it is now hip to be geek. Shirts should have geeky stuff on them, glasses should have thick black frames, toys and video games are used as part of the design when decorating, Comic Con is sold out a year in advance... list can be made however long you want to.
Wait, don't generalize.
TBBT portraits geeks as asozial, awkward, not into sports, unable to communicate with women etc.
I got confronted several times with exactly this image of nerd or geek, when meeting people, exactly because of TBBT (as the persons I met stated).
Nothing to do with Comic Con, video games, black frames etc.
I got confronted several times with exactly this image of nerd or geek, when meeting people, exactly because of TBBT (as the persons I met stated).
Nothing to do with Comic Con, video games, black frames etc.
But this image of nerds existed way before the Big Bang Theory first aired. They just picked that up, stereotyped it and made a comedy show around it.
I discovered TBBT through a friend who nicknamed me 'Sheldon' due to my tendency to be somewhat socially awkward, geeky, and sharing some of Sheldon's OCDs.
I fell in love with the show, and I don't really agree with the conclusions of the article.
I don't feel like the writers are making fun of me, and I certainly don't feel that Penny is the 'normal' and cool character in the show. She's an underachiever, has a borderline drinking problem and poor choice in boyfriends before she met Leonard.
Yes, there is a self-deprecating component to all this. The characters are caricatures of various nerdy personalities, but I find them lovable, and I can relate to some of what happens to them.
I can laugh at myself, at my fondness for Star Trek, at my awkwardness in public, at my OCDs, at my love for everything technical and my interest in sciences. Being able to laugh at yourself is a strength, not a weakness.
What if others are watching the show and believe that it is to be taken at face value? Why should I care?
These nerds are successful scientists who work on the Mars Rover program, fly into space and go on adventures to the North Pole while Penny -the supposedly normal and cool character- is waiting tables in a dead-end job, shows no real passion for anything apart from shoes and it going nowhere.
Anyway, it's just a show. Some like it, some hate it. I personally don't think it fuels such a negative view of what nerds are. Maybe it's a caricature that some may take at face value but I'm not worried about that, the joke's on them really and they don't even know it.
I fell in love with the show, and I don't really agree with the conclusions of the article.
I don't feel like the writers are making fun of me, and I certainly don't feel that Penny is the 'normal' and cool character in the show. She's an underachiever, has a borderline drinking problem and poor choice in boyfriends before she met Leonard.
Yes, there is a self-deprecating component to all this. The characters are caricatures of various nerdy personalities, but I find them lovable, and I can relate to some of what happens to them.
I can laugh at myself, at my fondness for Star Trek, at my awkwardness in public, at my OCDs, at my love for everything technical and my interest in sciences. Being able to laugh at yourself is a strength, not a weakness.
What if others are watching the show and believe that it is to be taken at face value? Why should I care?
These nerds are successful scientists who work on the Mars Rover program, fly into space and go on adventures to the North Pole while Penny -the supposedly normal and cool character- is waiting tables in a dead-end job, shows no real passion for anything apart from shoes and it going nowhere.
Anyway, it's just a show. Some like it, some hate it. I personally don't think it fuels such a negative view of what nerds are. Maybe it's a caricature that some may take at face value but I'm not worried about that, the joke's on them really and they don't even know it.
I've read theories like this before, and I gotta say, I don't agree with them. A big part of his argument hinges on "The humour in The Big Bang theory relies on the audience siding with and relating to Penny, the character coded as “normal” in comparison to the main four guys."... and maybe we're watching different shows, but the one I watch has more humor from the guys' standpoint (and often at Penny's expense). Yes, there is some humor from her standpoint, for people that identify more with her—but there should be, she's a member of the cast, and there are people who relate to her. But there's far more humor for people who relate to the geek characters (since there's more of them).
There's also significantly more deprecating humor aimed at the geeks, which for me offsets any humor I derive from relating to them.
Plus, the geeks really come across to me as too overly stereotypical to be relatable.
Plus, the geeks really come across to me as too overly stereotypical to be relatable.
And even that would be relatable if it was self-deprecating. The article is right, the audience is positioned as an outsider; "It's funny because he mentioned that thing which is nerdy" rather than any realization of the character that Penny might find that reference impossible to relate to. You're clearly intended to identify with Penny.
I guess just making it sound nerdy/technical should be enough for most of the audience to think it's nerdy as hell and thereby funny, even if it is nonsense? Like "I'll make a GUI interface in Visual Basic to track their IP". :) I haven't watched the show myself.
That might help. Instead, it's something like "... I would do this like Spock <pause for laughtrack>"
> the geeks really come across to me as too overly stereotypical to be relatable
Apparently we know very different geeks, then :-)
Apparently we know very different geeks, then :-)
I thought the problem with the big bang theory was it's inability to explain the low entropy starting condition?
EDIT: btw if you want a comedy show that's rooted firmly in the geek world, dig up the TV version of the dilbert cartoons. superb.
EDIT: btw if you want a comedy show that's rooted firmly in the geek world, dig up the TV version of the dilbert cartoons. superb.
> "We aren’t laughing with Leonard, Sheldon, Raj and Howard. We’re laughing at them"
Well, here is my confession... I do like the show, and I guess it is a guilty pleasure.
I like it because I feel identified by the characters (my wife even call me Sheldon when I am being pedantic about something). But the author is right, when I watch the show I laugh at them and by transitivity I laugh at myself, which I have learnt is the best way to keep a good humor.
Well, here is my confession... I do like the show, and I guess it is a guilty pleasure.
I like it because I feel identified by the characters (my wife even call me Sheldon when I am being pedantic about something). But the author is right, when I watch the show I laugh at them and by transitivity I laugh at myself, which I have learnt is the best way to keep a good humor.
Sure, you laugh 'at' them, but they're still portrayed as good people who are worth hanging out with, as Penny finds out with time over the first few seasons.
Big Bang Theory is a depiction of what idiots think intelligent people are like. Those characters do not exist in real life.
IMHO UK's IT crowd is a much better and funnier depiction of geeks (albeit Moss is a bit exaggerated too).
IMHO UK's IT crowd is a much better and funnier depiction of geeks (albeit Moss is a bit exaggerated too).
> Big Bang Theory is a depiction of what idiots think intelligent people are like. Those characters do not exist in real life.
I've known people in real life similar to all the main characters of BBT. The BBT characters are more concentrated, so I'd have to use maybe 7 or 8 people to span the characteristics of Sheldon, Leonard, Howard, and Raj, but I don't think that invalidates the point.
In fact, I knew such people at Caltech, which is where BBT is set.
As a Caltech graduate, I see no problem with their portrayal of Caltech people. It is the portrayal of the facilities that bugs me. They have geologists in the same building as theoretical physicists!
The "likes BBT" (x axis) vs "viewer intelligence" (y axis) curve seems to be, as far as I can see, convex.
I've known people in real life similar to all the main characters of BBT. The BBT characters are more concentrated, so I'd have to use maybe 7 or 8 people to span the characteristics of Sheldon, Leonard, Howard, and Raj, but I don't think that invalidates the point.
In fact, I knew such people at Caltech, which is where BBT is set.
As a Caltech graduate, I see no problem with their portrayal of Caltech people. It is the portrayal of the facilities that bugs me. They have geologists in the same building as theoretical physicists!
The "likes BBT" (x axis) vs "viewer intelligence" (y axis) curve seems to be, as far as I can see, convex.
Oops. Axislexia.
Wait, now I have absolutely no idea what you think the correlation is between BBT appreciation and intelligence.
The intent was to say that ordinary people and extremely smart people seem to like BBT [1], with the dislike coming from those in between. Among BBT fans are George Smoot, Neil deGrasse Tyson, and Stephen Hawking--they aren't doing speaking cameos on it to boost their resume for a career switch to acting. :-)
I probably should have just went with the original quip I had, which was "People you consider idiots like it, and people who consider you an idiot like it", but that seemed a little insulting so I dropped it.
[1] or at least ordinary people and extremely smart people who do not like it do not seem to complain about the show online.
I probably should have just went with the original quip I had, which was "People you consider idiots like it, and people who consider you an idiot like it", but that seemed a little insulting so I dropped it.
[1] or at least ordinary people and extremely smart people who do not like it do not seem to complain about the show online.
Sorry, your attempt at condescending me does not work. I am a smart person with a PhD in Artificial Intelligence from University of Edinburgh's School of Informatics.
While I am no Hawkins, I do have first hand of experience of these levels of genius. I have met three nobel prize winners. I have never met anyone as dysfunctional as Sheldon. From what I have read, even Erdos had a sense of humour.
While I am no Hawkins, I do have first hand of experience of these levels of genius. I have met three nobel prize winners. I have never met anyone as dysfunctional as Sheldon. From what I have read, even Erdos had a sense of humour.
That's what I thought you meant until you added the edit about getting the axes wrong. :)
Well they are exaggerations which is the fundament of comedy. Moss is my favorite character of IT Crowd. And now that you mention the show, you would see that IT Crowd is the other side of the venue, they tend to laugh at non tech savvy people (i.e internet in a box, typing google inside google, etc)
I would say "Have you tried turning it off and on again" accurately represents 90% of IT service calls, :p.
"Moss is just a bit exaggerated" :-) 0118 999 881 999 119 725... 3
That joke is mainly not about Moss or the IT Nerds - but rather the world outside that the audience inhabits.
The Moss joke is that he is the only person able to actually memorise that (useful emergency) number, which shows he is better than the outside, that the normal world is the object to laugh at.
The Moss joke is that he is the only person able to actually memorise that (useful emergency) number, which shows he is better than the outside, that the normal world is the object to laugh at.
I thought it was more of a savant thing; the very weird and maladjusted person who has some extreme mental gift, like being able to memorize a whole phone book (or in this case, a nonsensically long emergency number).
> Those characters do not exist in real life.
Unlike other popular TV shows like Friends, which are a very realistic depiction of what it's like for young people to live in the big city?
Unlike other popular TV shows like Friends, which are a very realistic depiction of what it's like for young people to live in the big city?
Yes, IT Crowd was perfectly, until Denholm's son was introduced, and completely ruined the whole series' theme with crass, juvenile sex jokes.
I think Apatow's Freaks and Geeks was the best representation of what it's like to be a nerd/geek/freak/outsider.
Somewhere in the DVD commentary he calls out a scene as what killed the show because it was just so realistic no one liked it. Everyone was making fun of a kid and he fell and broke his arm or something. They said after that scene aired the ratings dropped off and never recovered. So yeah, best representation, but it would seem people don't like things to be "real" they'd rather watch something like Big Bang and it not being so realistic.
Note that this is about the tv series, not the physical theory.
Please could someone change the title. I was disappointed, and wouldn't have clicked through if it had been clear that the article was about a TV show.
It would just get changed back. The powers that be at HN usually like to make sure the original title is preserved.
It's a damn TV show, not a documentary. If you don't put your brain into low power mode and stop pondering about stuff, you won't enjoy it. It's a sequence of light jokes and a very loose story-line.
Another example that comes to mind: I like SciFi. If I'd analyse every movie for scientific credibility, I'd have a horrible time and would hate the genre. Just put your brain in error correction mode and switch on your creativity and you'll have a great time.
And if you don't like it, watch documentaries.
Another example that comes to mind: I like SciFi. If I'd analyse every movie for scientific credibility, I'd have a horrible time and would hate the genre. Just put your brain in error correction mode and switch on your creativity and you'll have a great time.
And if you don't like it, watch documentaries.
As someone who considers themself (and many of their friends) a nerd, I have to say I thoroughly enjoy the show. I study physics, I love Sci fi, I read comic books etc. I don't feel genuinely insulted by the show. Yes jokes are made at nerds' expense. But if you can't laugh at yourself and your own "culture", there's something wrong.
If you don't like the show, that's fine. Don't watch it. But don't try and turn me against it just because you don't like it.
If you don't like the show, that's fine. Don't watch it. But don't try and turn me against it just because you don't like it.
I watched an episode of this show once. It wasn't very funny. I don't think it's part of some grand conspiracy to belittle nerds. It's just a crappy show that anyone with an ounce of sense won't waste more than 20 minutes of their life on.
Just because you don't enjoy something, doesn't mean you should belittle those that do. I like to think I have plenty of sense, and I quite like the show. Just because you didn't enjoy that particular episode, doesn't mean you wouldn't find another hilarious.
Exactly. It's a Chuck Lorre sitcom, look at his past work and realize that he keeps following the same creatively bankrupt patterns from series to series.
IT Crowd - Non-nerd characters are the actual clowns.
The Big Bang Theory - Nerds are the clown characters.
In IT Crowd, the nerds are put into hilarious situations because of an insane normal world. In Big Bang Theory, the nerds are put into hilarious situations because they are insane.
The Big Bang Theory - Nerds are the clown characters.
In IT Crowd, the nerds are put into hilarious situations because of an insane normal world. In Big Bang Theory, the nerds are put into hilarious situations because they are insane.
If you don't think that Moss and Roy are both also clowns then you haven't been paying much attention.
Of course they also are. This thought has to be seen in the context of the subject of the thread - The Big Bang Theory, and the actual article which also deals with the outsider (non-nerd), the audience and the nerds.
In other words, Penny or the people at the university on the whole are not clowns, rather the nerds are the primary clown characters. Jennifer, her boyfriends, Mr. Renham or most other non-nerd characters in the IT Crowd are the primary clown characters. We (the general audience) sympathise with the nerds more in the IT Crowd in the same way that we sympathise more with the non-nerds.
In other words, Penny or the people at the university on the whole are not clowns, rather the nerds are the primary clown characters. Jennifer, her boyfriends, Mr. Renham or most other non-nerd characters in the IT Crowd are the primary clown characters. We (the general audience) sympathise with the nerds more in the IT Crowd in the same way that we sympathise more with the non-nerds.
I think IT Crowd is a show which is based on a crazy universe, a universe where everyone turns out to be mad if the show puts enough attention on them.
I guess this is in contrast to shows where some of the characters are crazy, and then you have a few other characters that are more normal to contrast them.
I guess this is in contrast to shows where some of the characters are crazy, and then you have a few other characters that are more normal to contrast them.
A doubt most people idenity with to hot, farm girl in big city, little slutty, stuck working at cheese cake factory because acting isn't going so well stereotypes. Comedy is funny because they take quirks people see in themselves and others and magnify them. The jocks aren't cool and relatable in TBBT either.
The problem with it is that you're watching it as if it's a show for nerds when it's a show about nerds as seen by people who are not nerds. You're not the target market for this show.
As a side note on your page layout - My screen is massive. Please don't be afraid to use the space available!
As a side note on your page layout - My screen is massive. Please don't be afraid to use the space available!
Disagree with this authors sentiment. I too am a nerd and relate to the caricatures of nerds on the show.
I collect comic books, was obsessive about magic cards, star wars vs star trek, dressed in nerd costumes rather than sexy costumes, and have a mild case of OCD.
I like those things but I still see the humor in pointing out their absurdity on some levels.
Many shows do this -- even the mainstream comedies. They make fun of binge drinking, hookup culture, being stupid, etc.
Penny is made fun of constantly for her poor life choices, lack of degree, poor job, loser bfs, etc. AND the audience laughs at her constantly for it. Quite frankly I am proud that I relate with Sheldon more than Penny.
I collect comic books, was obsessive about magic cards, star wars vs star trek, dressed in nerd costumes rather than sexy costumes, and have a mild case of OCD.
I like those things but I still see the humor in pointing out their absurdity on some levels.
Many shows do this -- even the mainstream comedies. They make fun of binge drinking, hookup culture, being stupid, etc.
Penny is made fun of constantly for her poor life choices, lack of degree, poor job, loser bfs, etc. AND the audience laughs at her constantly for it. Quite frankly I am proud that I relate with Sheldon more than Penny.
I saw a reference recently that summed up why I dislike The Big Gang Theory: "Nerd Black Face." It is treating the nerds and geeks on the show as unself-aware fools for "real" society to laugh at.
Agreed. It is literally a minstrel show where comical, exaggerated "nerds" parade their comical, exaggerated neuroses and yet it is somehow one of the most popular shows in the nation.
No other social group or category would stand for this - it's basically blatant racism, but because it's not applied to a specific racial group but instead a social category, it's "funny" rather than "bigoted" or "mocking".
Can you imagine the outcry if there were such a show about blacks or Chinese people? The NAACP or Chinese community groups would sue the network so fast that their heads would spin!
No other social group or category would stand for this - it's basically blatant racism, but because it's not applied to a specific racial group but instead a social category, it's "funny" rather than "bigoted" or "mocking".
Can you imagine the outcry if there were such a show about blacks or Chinese people? The NAACP or Chinese community groups would sue the network so fast that their heads would spin!
Interesting perspective that I had never thought of. . .I totally get it. . .but I still enjoy the show, only now I may feel guilty about it. Maybe I was so nerdy/naive I never perceived that the audience could be laughing more at them than with them. And honestly, I've been wishing we could see less of Penny. I get why Leonard is supposed to pine after Penny, but I keep thinking "get over her and move on to someone better". . .And I'm speaking as a female nerd.
That entire (mostly valid) point could have been made in 1 paragraph.
Then you wouldn't have been able to spend as much time reading text against that background.
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And it is. The paragraph at the end that follows the 'To bring this to a close I think I found my answers: ' is exactly that, a TL;DR.
I skimmed, read a few sentences, and felt I got the entire point.
Every mass-media depiction of an activity or group will be simultaneously exaggerated and incomplete. In particular, TV comedies will emphasize anything that can make you laugh. They'll portray as idiots and make fun of: nerds, geeks, musicians, politicians, assistants, policemen, scientists, managers, presidents, models, spies, secretaries, firemen, astronauts, unemployed, lawyers, extraterrestrials, students, depressed, celebrities, immigrants, writers, and even the dead ones if need be.
I'm not sure which side I'm on really. There are both good jokes there and some really mean episodes that are laughing about really nasty behaviour.
But to see how depressing some of the scenes actually are, search for "big bang theory without laugh track" on youtube. Once you listen to it like to a real situation... it's just terrible.
But to see how depressing some of the scenes actually are, search for "big bang theory without laugh track" on youtube. Once you listen to it like to a real situation... it's just terrible.
I knew I hated that show for some reason I just could never put it into words like he did.
To be honest i never even got into it it a lot of people wanted me to watch it but after a few episodes it was clear this is not something worth my time.
I couldn't help it cringe when the main characters put themselves in a socially awkward position unlike regular geeks I values social interaction as much as technology so my social skills are quite high for a geek.
Plus i didn't find any of the jokes in the show funny frankly i found them quite insulting to geek culture.
There's no one you can identify with the guys are just too awkward and the girl seems more like an extra that happens to be sexy and the guys are drooling on her.
I know this is supposed to be a exaggeration of the typical geek but it just doesn't work for me.
To be honest i never even got into it it a lot of people wanted me to watch it but after a few episodes it was clear this is not something worth my time.
I couldn't help it cringe when the main characters put themselves in a socially awkward position unlike regular geeks I values social interaction as much as technology so my social skills are quite high for a geek.
Plus i didn't find any of the jokes in the show funny frankly i found them quite insulting to geek culture.
There's no one you can identify with the guys are just too awkward and the girl seems more like an extra that happens to be sexy and the guys are drooling on her.
I know this is supposed to be a exaggeration of the typical geek but it just doesn't work for me.
I quite like this writeup. I've seen a few episodes of The Big Bang Theory, and could never quite put my finger on why I didn't enjoy it, when I knew people who claimed it was the cleverest thing on TV and absolutely hilarious.
Clearly, though, I need to check out Community.
Clearly, though, I need to check out Community.
'Cheap' is the best adjective that describes TBBT. The jokes, the characters, the situations, all of it feels cheap. And that is because it is less about the character of the four guys and more about this one specific aspect of them: being nerdy. And it gets old really fast.
Community has more interesting characters. They're still neurotic (the old guy gets a bit tiring), but they're much easier to care about.
Community has more interesting characters. They're still neurotic (the old guy gets a bit tiring), but they're much easier to care about.
I can't quite put my finger on why I find this article annoying.
I find black on brown extremely hard to read.
It's TV, what did you expect?
I had the impression that the whole embracing of being a geek/nerd was self-deprecating. But it seems that some people are being so ironic these days that it's hard to see where the meta-irony ends and the genuine feelings start.
It seems that people who aren't nerds respect (that is, dis-respects) nerds just as much, just that now they can do it with more general social approval, and the nerds can't really talk back if these are relatively small slights because of all the seeming self-deprecation from nerds themselves; you don't want to be seen as humour-less and overly sensitive. Journalists can refer to working adults as nerds because, you know, self-irony and all that. Never mind the subtle put-downs; don't be sensitive.
I think that people who have nerdy interests while also being a well-rounded person (a trait nerds aren't known for) are the biggest winners in this case. They already have social status, and then get even more respect for having interests that are associated with intelligence. Plus, since they already "have a life" in the mainstream sense, you know that they are being nerdy out of genuine interest and not because they were socially awkward and had to "find comfort" or whatever in some nerdy pursuit.
I don't really consider myself a nerd, nor really a "normal" person. I think I have a lot of the negative traits of a nerd, while lacking some crucial traits/skill of a "normal" person. I don't really fit in anywhere in this dichotomy.
It seems that people who aren't nerds respect (that is, dis-respects) nerds just as much, just that now they can do it with more general social approval, and the nerds can't really talk back if these are relatively small slights because of all the seeming self-deprecation from nerds themselves; you don't want to be seen as humour-less and overly sensitive. Journalists can refer to working adults as nerds because, you know, self-irony and all that. Never mind the subtle put-downs; don't be sensitive.
I think that people who have nerdy interests while also being a well-rounded person (a trait nerds aren't known for) are the biggest winners in this case. They already have social status, and then get even more respect for having interests that are associated with intelligence. Plus, since they already "have a life" in the mainstream sense, you know that they are being nerdy out of genuine interest and not because they were socially awkward and had to "find comfort" or whatever in some nerdy pursuit.
I don't really consider myself a nerd, nor really a "normal" person. I think I have a lot of the negative traits of a nerd, while lacking some crucial traits/skill of a "normal" person. I don't really fit in anywhere in this dichotomy.
He doesn't produce it, but "Two Broke Girls" being picked up from a pilot, nevertheless going into its third season, pretty much solidifies the point about Lorrie thinking.
Very interesting points of view. I share the analyse.
sigh not the shitty TVshow again.
Yes people find them quirky, just as the characters of FRIENDS were quirky. People still love them and even identify with specific things they do or issues they face.
My guess is people who find TBBT insulting are people who project self loathing. Clue #1: Feeling ANGER towards a TV show.