Before the Web, Hearts Grew Silent(nytimes.com)
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Before the Web, Hearts Grew Silent
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/fashion/before-the-web-hearts-grew-silent.html?ref=fashion
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> "The outside world fell away, and it became just us slowly unlocking each other’s secrets, dreams and opinions, which in those days were not posted on “walls” for anybody to casually scroll through. We felt we were the only two people in the world."
My partner and didn't put our relationship on fb for maybe six months or so... but even if we did, how would that have made it any less meaningful? I like the general 'what if' vibe of this, I'm (just) old enough to have some missed connections, but the superior tone is just a bit comical.
I think what they've forgotten is that the biggest reason things don't come together is the personalities of the people involved, or not even speaking out at all - which will happen regardless of the comms tech available.
My partner and didn't put our relationship on fb for maybe six months or so... but even if we did, how would that have made it any less meaningful? I like the general 'what if' vibe of this, I'm (just) old enough to have some missed connections, but the superior tone is just a bit comical.
I think what they've forgotten is that the biggest reason things don't come together is the personalities of the people involved, or not even speaking out at all - which will happen regardless of the comms tech available.
Not only is this still a thing, but it's something you help with:
http://www.redcross.org.uk/Get-involved/Volunteer/Migration-...
"When families are separated by war or disaster, our volunteers search for lost loved ones and put them back in contact."
Or, outside the UK:
http://www.redcross.org/what-we-do/international-services/re...
http://www.redcross.org.uk/Get-involved/Volunteer/Migration-...
"When families are separated by war or disaster, our volunteers search for lost loved ones and put them back in contact."
Or, outside the UK:
http://www.redcross.org/what-we-do/international-services/re...
Now it becomes possible to have meaningful transcontinental relationships, with cheap passenger jet flights and instant free pocket to pocket messaging and video calls.
Let us not romanticize the past. Nightly facetime calls are much less drama-inducing than last minute emergency one-way flights.
Let us not romanticize the past. Nightly facetime calls are much less drama-inducing than last minute emergency one-way flights.
But, wasn't the drama exactly the point of the article?
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Hmm,
Book plots, movie plots and real-life drama in many ways revolve around missed connections.
TV shows where everyone has a cell phone now have to use the device of turned-off, missing etc phones.
A world of perfect connections would theoretically have no drama but since connections are never perfect, we would never have that. On the other hand, in the technologically connected world, missed connections become tech failures. But someone, the richness of "a passionate glance in a crowded room" seems much greater than "a pic I saw just before hard drive crashed".
Book plots, movie plots and real-life drama in many ways revolve around missed connections.
TV shows where everyone has a cell phone now have to use the device of turned-off, missing etc phones.
A world of perfect connections would theoretically have no drama but since connections are never perfect, we would never have that. On the other hand, in the technologically connected world, missed connections become tech failures. But someone, the richness of "a passionate glance in a crowded room" seems much greater than "a pic I saw just before hard drive crashed".
I think missed connections are just a crutch, a plot-writing cliche that was popular just because it was so easy. But I don't think it's necessary for great story writing.
Yeah, that guy William Shakespeare was quite a hack for using the missed connections device in Romeo and Juliette as well as most of his comedies.
well, if i think about real life the drama appears because of actively (though not always entirely conscious and willful) missed connections. people not telling things, forgetting to tell things, not feeling like talking right now, not feeling like talking at all, feeling embarrassed, etc...
there is lots of drama with perfect potential communication. because - lets face it - that is all technology is only ever to give us. potential.
there is lots of drama with perfect potential communication. because - lets face it - that is all technology is only ever to give us. potential.
Whenever I watch a movie or TV show more than a decade old, I can't help but think: that would never happen now, they'd be too busy tweeting/facebooking/instagramming it
Like, "Hamsterdam" in "The Wire"...as if a drug free zone could last two minutes before someone uploaded footage to YouTube and Buzzfeed got a hold of it.
Like, "Hamsterdam" in "The Wire"...as if a drug free zone could last two minutes before someone uploaded footage to YouTube and Buzzfeed got a hold of it.
I always thought Hamsterdam was too farfetched to start with. I really couldn't see that working for more than 5 minutes with all the parties that were there to observe it.
Look at (online, NOT in person) Kensington Avenue in Philadelphia. It's a tragic real-life Hamsterdam. Police only get involved for violent crimes there.
Yes! I watched the movie "Bullitt" a few years ago and noticed that half the action wouldn't have happened if the participants had had cell phones.
Road trips with multiple cars were down right dangerous. Cars weren't as reliable back then, and you could never tell if one car had disappeared from a flat or car trouble. Meeting points, pulling over, middle men for pay phone tag. The CB radio did change things -- watch movies from the CB era and you see the rise of information exchange.
Today you can still have a car chase on the I-70 in the middle of Utah and the cell phone won't matter to your plot, no reception, no gas either. Just need to change your setting.
Today you can still have a car chase on the I-70 in the middle of Utah and the cell phone won't matter to your plot, no reception, no gas either. Just need to change your setting.
But when we get self-driving cars this avenue will disappear as well. Technology will de-dramatize our lives.
I experienced plenty of drama when my rear wheel began to tear itself apart riding out of Cambria, CA, or when a rear flat turned out to be the sidewall disintegrating 60 miles out of San Francisco. Bicycle touring will give you all the drama you could desire. Meanwhile, I'd love the predictability of entirely automated transport in my daily life.
Hardly. It'll just change the drama to something more meaningful. It used to be dramatic just to get news across continental distances, but when that stopped being the case it didn't exactly cause an end to drama in the world.
"Consider the ending of “Doctor Zhivago,” when a chance sighting of Lara on a city street leads Yuri’s heart to rupture as she disappears before he can reach her. Had the Internet been around during the Bolshevik Revolution, Yuri and Lara never would have lost each other. They would have been Facebook “comrades,” boring each other to death with snapshots of food (“Borscht!”) and ironic observations of proletariat struggle."
I've sadly not watched "Doctor Zhivago" -- but I do know that tweeting your every move while being part of a revolution is a great way to be put against the wall and shot before it is over.
I'm also a bit puzzled about the premise of the article -- while distance relationships may have been made more bearable than before, trying to maintain contact across continents is still a dreary proposition. You might walk around historical sites, tweeting images of what you see -- it's still not anywhere near the same as being able to truly share that experience with someone you care deeply for.
Other than that, good on the author for not letting go of his wife-to-be.
I've sadly not watched "Doctor Zhivago" -- but I do know that tweeting your every move while being part of a revolution is a great way to be put against the wall and shot before it is over.
I'm also a bit puzzled about the premise of the article -- while distance relationships may have been made more bearable than before, trying to maintain contact across continents is still a dreary proposition. You might walk around historical sites, tweeting images of what you see -- it's still not anywhere near the same as being able to truly share that experience with someone you care deeply for.
Other than that, good on the author for not letting go of his wife-to-be.
I'll bet life was more romantic before spoken language. People weren't busy talking or thinking in anything but emotion and memories of senses. Let's long for those days.
I don't know if your post is entirely serious, but I like it.
Imagine falling in love with someone in perfect silence, knowing them entirely through their actions, having only the feeling of their presence.
> Imagine falling in love with someone in perfect silence
All primates have vocalizations of some kind. All apes have fairly complex vocalizations. Humans are an extreme case, but we're not entirely sui generis; it's pretty well guaranteed that any species recognizable as proto-human would not be courting in complete silence.
All primates have vocalizations of some kind. All apes have fairly complex vocalizations. Humans are an extreme case, but we're not entirely sui generis; it's pretty well guaranteed that any species recognizable as proto-human would not be courting in complete silence.
"In my day, we lived and loved with so much more depth of feeling. Not like these kids today with their [x]'s and their [y]'s."
I know what you're talking about but where does it end? Are all comparisons to the past that are anything but glowing about the present invalid?
They're not invalid, but lacking backing data they may have a high probability of being wrong.
This article is just one guys opinion. Why does it need backing data? He's not making policy recommendations.
Opinions can also be wrong, depending on what they're about. As far as I can tell from the article, this is not one of those cases. He is simply relaying a story about one supposed advantage of the radio communication dark ages. But if you go from there to "Things (universal qualifier) were better before cell phones," then you have a problem. That often does happen in articles like this, although not this one.
"Kids these days and their video games. When I was young I used to shoot real people in real jungles." :)
But seriously, it is much easier to create just about anything these days, which is arguably more important and fulfilling than travel and drama.
But seriously, it is much easier to create just about anything these days, which is arguably more important and fulfilling than travel and drama.
As a counter to the author's own romantic example: my wife and I probably would never have gotten together without modern social networking. When my wife and I met, she was living in Oregon and I was living in Chicago. We met while she was in town to interview at the law school I was attending. She was in professional mode and I was a stressed out first year student, and we never would have pursued a relationship in the days before gchat. But instant messaging is a very unique medium. The lack of visual feedback tends to encourage frank conversations, and the "who else is up at this hour?" aspect tends to encourage reaching out to people you wouldn't necessarily call up on the phone. By the time of our "first date" months later, we had met each other exactly twice but already knew a tremendous amount about each other.
I was watching Planes, Trains and Automobiles the other day and much of the whole plot would not exist with modern tech.
Also, horror movies have a hard time now as well. For some reason they have to be so far away as to get no reception or in some sort of zone that won't allow it.
I think Under the Dome highlights this a bit as well.
But there are new plot lines and possibilities. At least flip phones have been removed from modern tv and movies, and computers/devices are at least more accurately represented.
Also, horror movies have a hard time now as well. For some reason they have to be so far away as to get no reception or in some sort of zone that won't allow it.
I think Under the Dome highlights this a bit as well.
But there are new plot lines and possibilities. At least flip phones have been removed from modern tv and movies, and computers/devices are at least more accurately represented.
"No signal"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIZVcRccCx0
...I actually wonder why they don't just pretend cell phones don't exist. I mean, if you can imagine ghosts and zombies, etc, do exist, why not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIZVcRccCx0
...I actually wonder why they don't just pretend cell phones don't exist. I mean, if you can imagine ghosts and zombies, etc, do exist, why not?
I actually see that pretty often. When the movie requires it, people forget that they have cell phones. It's the same way the horror movie universe apparently doesn't have horror movies, or people would know not to split up or have sex while camping.
...I actually wonder why they don't just pretend cell phones don't exist.
Because it feels forced. Ghosts and zombies are the premise of the stories, a thought experiment around which the plot unfolds. Pretending cellphones just don't exist feels like a contrived fix to the writer's inability to write a good plot. It's equivalent to a deus ex machina. Unless, of course, you can write a plot that hinges on the lack of cellphones - that could be interesting.
Because it feels forced. Ghosts and zombies are the premise of the stories, a thought experiment around which the plot unfolds. Pretending cellphones just don't exist feels like a contrived fix to the writer's inability to write a good plot. It's equivalent to a deus ex machina. Unless, of course, you can write a plot that hinges on the lack of cellphones - that could be interesting.
I assumed that flip phones and old laptops were eliminated because companies were stealth-marketing their (new) products by "encouraging" TV shows to have their characters use them. I'm pretty sure I've seen at least a few clear-cut "product demo" moments in some shows, where the camera spent a little longer than was really necessary showing the device and the character's interaction with it. See also the transition from "Action Movie OS" to real life operating systems.
Probably. The old phones before flip, home phones/office phones you could hang up all intensely. The flip phones replaced that with hanging up with the massive flip, but got annoying when everyone is using smartphones. Now when they hang up they can't tap the phone harder to hang up. A tension moment has been taken.
On the other hand, we, as the owners of similar devices, get to empathize with the characters' silent frustration at not having anything to slam down.
Some of them are pretty blatant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLzMVMPd_4Y
"Don't believe me? Bing it!"
"Don't believe me? Bing it!"
Yep, that's exactly the kind of thing I've noticed.
Sometimes I think I was lucky to be one of the last people ever to experience "love in the time of snailmail" and one of the first to experience love at the dawn of IM.
I know exactly what its like to write those "long, heartfelt missives" and check a mailbox like a crack addict and I also know the thousand tiny thrills one got from that new "ICQ" client's happy little "uh-oh!".
Which is better? More "real and heartfelt"? I've got only selection bias to offer. I lost "heartfelt missive" and married "uh-oh!". Modern technology rocks like an old man on his porch.
I know exactly what its like to write those "long, heartfelt missives" and check a mailbox like a crack addict and I also know the thousand tiny thrills one got from that new "ICQ" client's happy little "uh-oh!".
Which is better? More "real and heartfelt"? I've got only selection bias to offer. I lost "heartfelt missive" and married "uh-oh!". Modern technology rocks like an old man on his porch.
I'm a little to young to have known love in a time of snail mail, but I agree with the point of your comment: some mystery and romance my have disappeared, but romance is still to be found in other places, even in the new technologies that obsoleted the old.
Generations before us also felt like they were missing out on life and love because they were born decades to late, this is nothing new. People will feel the same about life at the advent of the Internet in 20 years.
Generations before us also felt like they were missing out on life and love because they were born decades to late, this is nothing new. People will feel the same about life at the advent of the Internet in 20 years.
I too, enjoy the position in history I was raised in.
Old enough to remember memorizing phone numbers and having a list in my teenage wallet of all the girls (and friends) I knew.
Remembering how things were before cell phones and facebook is going to be something I will grow old with and enjoy reminiscing about with a few friends.
I do like old technology or watching movies that take a snapshot of a specific place in technology history.
Like the movie Anchorman, it takes place before the rise of cable TV (and the web) when network TV's prominence was at it's highest.
In the late 70's and early 80's, local newsmen were borderline rock stars, everyone knew their name and they were considered an important part of a community.
But, this was only true for a few years. After the introduction of TV's in every home (60's and early 70's), but before cable TV spread and diluted the power of the Network stations.
Old enough to remember memorizing phone numbers and having a list in my teenage wallet of all the girls (and friends) I knew.
Remembering how things were before cell phones and facebook is going to be something I will grow old with and enjoy reminiscing about with a few friends.
I do like old technology or watching movies that take a snapshot of a specific place in technology history.
Like the movie Anchorman, it takes place before the rise of cable TV (and the web) when network TV's prominence was at it's highest.
In the late 70's and early 80's, local newsmen were borderline rock stars, everyone knew their name and they were considered an important part of a community.
But, this was only true for a few years. After the introduction of TV's in every home (60's and early 70's), but before cable TV spread and diluted the power of the Network stations.
I got an email from a sysadmin saying, "Hey, you've got all this mail queued up for her and she left this job a couple of months ago, should I just delete it?"
Didn't marry her, that one didn't have a happy ending. :-/