Why hasn't AI increased unemployment?(twitter.com)
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Why hasn't AI increased unemployment?
https://twitter.com/PeterMcCrory/status/2079979321607745905
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This is from Peter McCrory, Head of Economics at Anthropic. Calling that out since it wasn't obvious to me at first.
The idea that AI isn't increasing unemployment is an illusion created by statistical modeling. Usually, statisticians are good at convincing others of their modeling choices. For example, even if programmers get laid off and janitorial jobs increase, the overall employment rate might not show any damage.
When stakeholders cite statistics, they can always shape the modeling to fit their narrative. I'm not sure if this is a general trait of statisticians, but they tend to interpret overall indicators in ways that favor their own school or affiliation.
One possible interpretation of why the overall job market looks stable, despite AI eroding employment, is that macroeconomic forces are strong enough to keep unemployment from rising. But that interpretation might have been excluded precisely because the speaker is affiliated with Anthropic.
Predictive statistics are also subjective. Surveys can be manipulated depending on how you select the sample group. This is really a mix of hope and bias, framed as objective prediction. The public tends to think of technological change as a single 'event,' while technologists experience it gradually in real time. But the public only notices it when it suddenly appears. Nokia employees probably felt safe too, right up until Steve Jobs walked out with the iPhone.
Curious about this, I looked into the US BLS survey. I found that working just one hour counts as being employed. So I wonder if they've looked into whether quality jobs are disappearing while bad jobs are increasing.
And the real impact of AI will likely show up not as layoffs, but as a freeze on new hires. That is, existing employees, because of company-specific tacit knowledge, might be kept, but the hiring rate for new workers, especially younger ones, will drop in roles highly exposed to AI. So instead of looking at total unemployment, we should look at youth employment as a leading indicator.
Of course, this could just be the limit of my knowledge. I'm self-taught with no formal degree. I could be wrong. But honestly, it doesn't take much digging to see that what this person is saying doesn't hold up.
One of the skills I've developed most while reading HN is learning how to present statistical truths in a polished way, even when the content isn't actually true.
When stakeholders cite statistics, they can always shape the modeling to fit their narrative. I'm not sure if this is a general trait of statisticians, but they tend to interpret overall indicators in ways that favor their own school or affiliation.
One possible interpretation of why the overall job market looks stable, despite AI eroding employment, is that macroeconomic forces are strong enough to keep unemployment from rising. But that interpretation might have been excluded precisely because the speaker is affiliated with Anthropic.
Predictive statistics are also subjective. Surveys can be manipulated depending on how you select the sample group. This is really a mix of hope and bias, framed as objective prediction. The public tends to think of technological change as a single 'event,' while technologists experience it gradually in real time. But the public only notices it when it suddenly appears. Nokia employees probably felt safe too, right up until Steve Jobs walked out with the iPhone.
Curious about this, I looked into the US BLS survey. I found that working just one hour counts as being employed. So I wonder if they've looked into whether quality jobs are disappearing while bad jobs are increasing.
And the real impact of AI will likely show up not as layoffs, but as a freeze on new hires. That is, existing employees, because of company-specific tacit knowledge, might be kept, but the hiring rate for new workers, especially younger ones, will drop in roles highly exposed to AI. So instead of looking at total unemployment, we should look at youth employment as a leading indicator.
Of course, this could just be the limit of my knowledge. I'm self-taught with no formal degree. I could be wrong. But honestly, it doesn't take much digging to see that what this person is saying doesn't hold up.
One of the skills I've developed most while reading HN is learning how to present statistical truths in a polished way, even when the content isn't actually true.
One day, AI will be able to provide midwit analyses like this.
Until that day, we can just say what we all know: 1) AI will absolutely decimate white-collar office jobs in the future, 2) composition of the workplace will change (more women will elect not to participate), and 3) we're in a capital boom where both successful and incompetent spending on AI occurred.
I suspect the reason people are hesitant to admit the obviousness of the future reality of white collar job loss (or replacement at the very least) is ego.
And I suspect that will be the last thing to finally implode, with interesting and positive social consequences.
Until that day, we can just say what we all know: 1) AI will absolutely decimate white-collar office jobs in the future, 2) composition of the workplace will change (more women will elect not to participate), and 3) we're in a capital boom where both successful and incompetent spending on AI occurred.
I suspect the reason people are hesitant to admit the obviousness of the future reality of white collar job loss (or replacement at the very least) is ego.
And I suspect that will be the last thing to finally implode, with interesting and positive social consequences.
> 2) composition of the workplace will change (more women will elect not to participate)
What? Why on earth would it specifically hit women?
What? Why on earth would it specifically hit women?
Have you not been present in our recent two-decade credentialed make-believe economy?
The one that puts government in the place of a father?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelletravis/2026/01/29/women...
Edit:
"Based on this grid, what is the most Democratic voting group in America? It’s voters with postgraduate degrees but lower-to-middle household incomes of $30K to $60K per year."
https://www.natesilver.net/p/the-dsa-sweet-spot-highly-educa...
The one that puts government in the place of a father?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelletravis/2026/01/29/women...
Edit:
"Based on this grid, what is the most Democratic voting group in America? It’s voters with postgraduate degrees but lower-to-middle household incomes of $30K to $60K per year."
https://www.natesilver.net/p/the-dsa-sweet-spot-highly-educa...
Setting aside OP's right wing nonsense, I (as a lefty woman) can see it but from another perspective: as white collar work becomes harder to get, that will drive wages down and make work conditions worse. (supply and demand). So if/when they have children, the odds of them making enough to cover daycare will go down.
Additionally, as working becomes worse and worse, anyone who has an exit path will take it. We'll see an uptick in the lumpenproletariat in the Marxist sense of the term (I'm not a Marxist, but the term is useful) as well. Straight and bisexual women have more of an ability to opt out of capitalism directly than straight and bisexual men do in broad generalities.
Additionally, a lot of the resistance to a more traditional family setup on the women's part is because it places us in a precarious situation where, if the person you depend on financially is abusive, you're screwed. If work gets to a point where most employment involves abusive conditions, it's a better deal to chain yourself to a potentially abusive husband than a potentially abusive employer. The legal system is greatly biased towards an employer and the odds of help or redress are low. If you have to pick an abusive situation, pick the one where it's concentrated in one person and you can poison him if you need out. Your husband can have a 'heart attack'. Much harder to pull that off against a megacorp.
In short: the opt out/traditional path is likely to become a better deal, and selfishness will always win.
Additionally, as working becomes worse and worse, anyone who has an exit path will take it. We'll see an uptick in the lumpenproletariat in the Marxist sense of the term (I'm not a Marxist, but the term is useful) as well. Straight and bisexual women have more of an ability to opt out of capitalism directly than straight and bisexual men do in broad generalities.
Additionally, a lot of the resistance to a more traditional family setup on the women's part is because it places us in a precarious situation where, if the person you depend on financially is abusive, you're screwed. If work gets to a point where most employment involves abusive conditions, it's a better deal to chain yourself to a potentially abusive husband than a potentially abusive employer. The legal system is greatly biased towards an employer and the odds of help or redress are low. If you have to pick an abusive situation, pick the one where it's concentrated in one person and you can poison him if you need out. Your husband can have a 'heart attack'. Much harder to pull that off against a megacorp.
In short: the opt out/traditional path is likely to become a better deal, and selfishness will always win.
Are those statistics I provided invalid? Is it not the case there's an entire (ascendant in some spots) political party based upon this phenomenon of the highly-credentialed yet downwardly mobile?
If, as you call it, the "OP's right wing nonsense" is wrong, where are the competing statistics? Where is the competing claim?
It's very clear, whether or not people want to admit it, that a large percentage of jobs in modern society are provided for and sustained by the government or its proxies. People would not pay for these things voluntarily, and the degrees backing them are knowledge work replaceable by AI. No one needs another policy paper.
We can apply this logic liberally to much routine art or marketing production, HR, "news" (almost all of it unoriginal and syndicated), support services work, routine charting and BI functions.
Indeed, it can be applied entirely to the wide swath of "bullshit jobs" [1] in the economy. When that term originated, people laughed because everyone knew it was true. Now people are frightened because AI will always be better and cost effective at bullshit. A fitting repose.
[1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/150114331X
If, as you call it, the "OP's right wing nonsense" is wrong, where are the competing statistics? Where is the competing claim?
It's very clear, whether or not people want to admit it, that a large percentage of jobs in modern society are provided for and sustained by the government or its proxies. People would not pay for these things voluntarily, and the degrees backing them are knowledge work replaceable by AI. No one needs another policy paper.
We can apply this logic liberally to much routine art or marketing production, HR, "news" (almost all of it unoriginal and syndicated), support services work, routine charting and BI functions.
Indeed, it can be applied entirely to the wide swath of "bullshit jobs" [1] in the economy. When that term originated, people laughed because everyone knew it was true. Now people are frightened because AI will always be better and cost effective at bullshit. A fitting repose.
[1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/150114331X
Some clarification:
When I say 'right wing nonsense', I mean nonsense that is right wing, not that right wing inherently = nonsense. I thought that was worth clarifying. I'm left, sort of, in the sense that I'm more left than right, but a lot of my views are so far outside the Overton Window that categorizing them in either way is a futile endeavor. (And there are many instances where I 'cross the aisle' in my opinions: guns and administrative legal theory are two.)
It isn't the statistics that people object to when you present your case: it's the framing and the ideological assumptions behind them.
In writing your post(s) as you did, you embedded the following assumptions along with your statistics:
1.) That the government is 'acting in the place of a father', indicating that there is a specific natural place for a man in the world as it relates to his spouse and children, specifically that he should wield authority and care along the line of traditional roles (versus using the phrasing 'acting in the place of a parent' or 'acting in loco parentis', which would indicate a different critique centering around the amount of external authority in people's lives without prescribing how people should live otherwise).
2.) That we should organize society around/value what people willingly pay for. I disagree. Particularly in modern America, where we've all been raised from birth to be selfish babies and assholes with no ability to look beyond three months down the road (to be generous). Half of this country would throw a tantrum if you asked them to contribute to the roads they drive on. They're definitely not going to pay for cancer research, or to create any strategic resource reserves, if it means they have $5 less now.
3.) That 'bullshit jobs' are more likely to be taken by women and that as a class they're more likely to be impacted by AI than men. I don't agree with that. I think that white collar bullshit jobs are held pretty equally by both sexes: the devastation of the IT/tech job market + all the conversation around what AI means for tech suggests that white collar men are far from immune. In my opinion, pretending that women are going to be more impacted is a cope. They're going to be equally impacted, but women have more of an exit strategy. I also think they've got better non-white collar options, honestly. Pink-collar is going to be more resistant to robotics and AI than blue-collar. I'm betting that construction labor can be automated before hair dressers, and the fastest growing job sector is healthcare services. Or consider in home childcare and jobs like elementary teachers. We'll let robots drive our trucks, but letting them take care of our 4 year olds is going to be a much bigger hurdle.
Overall, I think your case would be stronger and better received if you dropped the gendered element. Discussions happen in a particular context (the Internet's attempts at collapsing that aside), and adding the gender aspect aligns you in the audience's mind with certain positions (just as I did deliberately when I described myself as a leftist woman - I did that specifically so I could present that I agree that women are likely to exit white collar work without aligning myself with other gender positions which in turn makes it easier to discuss the idea on its own merits, or when I started this message by walking back some of my flippancy wrt your message because I appreciate that you took the time to respond and are open to a conversation and therefore am also stepping forward to try to find common ground and reciprocate that I'd like a productive conversation).
The tl;dr is it's not the statistics that are putting people off and earning you downvotes, it's the rhetoric and presentation. Knowing your audience and the context in which an argument is being made is crucial. Like... if I posted this comment in any kind of sapphic group, I'd be run out with pitchforks.
When I say 'right wing nonsense', I mean nonsense that is right wing, not that right wing inherently = nonsense. I thought that was worth clarifying. I'm left, sort of, in the sense that I'm more left than right, but a lot of my views are so far outside the Overton Window that categorizing them in either way is a futile endeavor. (And there are many instances where I 'cross the aisle' in my opinions: guns and administrative legal theory are two.)
It isn't the statistics that people object to when you present your case: it's the framing and the ideological assumptions behind them.
In writing your post(s) as you did, you embedded the following assumptions along with your statistics:
1.) That the government is 'acting in the place of a father', indicating that there is a specific natural place for a man in the world as it relates to his spouse and children, specifically that he should wield authority and care along the line of traditional roles (versus using the phrasing 'acting in the place of a parent' or 'acting in loco parentis', which would indicate a different critique centering around the amount of external authority in people's lives without prescribing how people should live otherwise).
2.) That we should organize society around/value what people willingly pay for. I disagree. Particularly in modern America, where we've all been raised from birth to be selfish babies and assholes with no ability to look beyond three months down the road (to be generous). Half of this country would throw a tantrum if you asked them to contribute to the roads they drive on. They're definitely not going to pay for cancer research, or to create any strategic resource reserves, if it means they have $5 less now.
3.) That 'bullshit jobs' are more likely to be taken by women and that as a class they're more likely to be impacted by AI than men. I don't agree with that. I think that white collar bullshit jobs are held pretty equally by both sexes: the devastation of the IT/tech job market + all the conversation around what AI means for tech suggests that white collar men are far from immune. In my opinion, pretending that women are going to be more impacted is a cope. They're going to be equally impacted, but women have more of an exit strategy. I also think they've got better non-white collar options, honestly. Pink-collar is going to be more resistant to robotics and AI than blue-collar. I'm betting that construction labor can be automated before hair dressers, and the fastest growing job sector is healthcare services. Or consider in home childcare and jobs like elementary teachers. We'll let robots drive our trucks, but letting them take care of our 4 year olds is going to be a much bigger hurdle.
Overall, I think your case would be stronger and better received if you dropped the gendered element. Discussions happen in a particular context (the Internet's attempts at collapsing that aside), and adding the gender aspect aligns you in the audience's mind with certain positions (just as I did deliberately when I described myself as a leftist woman - I did that specifically so I could present that I agree that women are likely to exit white collar work without aligning myself with other gender positions which in turn makes it easier to discuss the idea on its own merits, or when I started this message by walking back some of my flippancy wrt your message because I appreciate that you took the time to respond and are open to a conversation and therefore am also stepping forward to try to find common ground and reciprocate that I'd like a productive conversation).
The tl;dr is it's not the statistics that are putting people off and earning you downvotes, it's the rhetoric and presentation. Knowing your audience and the context in which an argument is being made is crucial. Like... if I posted this comment in any kind of sapphic group, I'd be run out with pitchforks.
I am indifferent to whether or not my message is well-received. It is true.
And also because the people making the arguments for why they should force people to pay for their jobs are indifferent as well. I take joy in knowing that reality is reality, men are men, women are women, and reality is objective and indifferent to subjective voting patterns.
You can simply overlay that Nate Silver chart in the other post with DSA voting and "bullshit jobs." It's the same exact people.
I would like to also point out it was the "Occupy Wall Street" left who most championed criticism of said bullshit jobs. A true irony.
And also because the people making the arguments for why they should force people to pay for their jobs are indifferent as well. I take joy in knowing that reality is reality, men are men, women are women, and reality is objective and indifferent to subjective voting patterns.
You can simply overlay that Nate Silver chart in the other post with DSA voting and "bullshit jobs." It's the same exact people.
I would like to also point out it was the "Occupy Wall Street" left who most championed criticism of said bullshit jobs. A true irony.
Ah, I see.
You don't want a conversation at all.
You don't want a conversation at all.
There are more people in need to operate it or added it to reduce workload. It is more likely automates tasks more often than entire jobs and increases productivity before reducing jobs. However, there will be the day when the ulitmate utopian goal will be to remove the word 'work' out of the dictorary for sure.
From personal experience, corporations conduct layoffs such that they can't be shown on official unemployment numbers. Many of their former employees face legal harassment and denial of benefits in order to reduce corporate liability.
In most cases, it's actually (much) worse. For example, the infamous Ford rehiring.
simple, the trillions of dollars bieng spent at some ridiculous rate of whatever number of milliins per hour is bubbling the whole worlds economy
that and while indivual productivity isn't great, the ever increasing scale of industrial production of everything is reducing real unit costs and providing more profit froth to the foam based economy
and lastly is the simple fact that AI does not actualy do anything except burn money and the vast majority of what AI gets credited for still needs human support and monitoring and the real situation is one of
REDUCED efficiency , the rest is just a shell game needing people to do the shuffling, speaking of which!, hey! time to write a quote!
The guy with his back to the volcano says "what problem?"
The task list only gets bigger
> But the US labor market is currently stable and close to maximum employment.
Yeah, no it's not, Trump just fired anyone that said the truth. The massive amount of homes in foreclosure right now because their owners can't find jobs says a completely different story.
Yeah, no it's not, Trump just fired anyone that said the truth. The massive amount of homes in foreclosure right now because their owners can't find jobs says a completely different story.
I’ve seen layoffs tied-to and to make up for AI spending. So the headline at least is inaccurate.
That said, the savvier firms are looking to eliminate the army of low-quality, and “cheaper” contractors and consultants.
The idiotic ones are doubling-down on the cheaper labor while shoring up on spending.
That said, the savvier firms are looking to eliminate the army of low-quality, and “cheaper” contractors and consultants.
The idiotic ones are doubling-down on the cheaper labor while shoring up on spending.
Gross; twitter.
Here: https://xcancel.com/PeterMcCrory/status/2079979321607745905
also not to be rude to anyone who still uses it but i dont know anyone under the age of 40 that uses twitter still -- unless they do porn -- and a lot of people i know have begun to joke that it's the new facebook because it's like 99% racist old people and bots.
not saying this to be mean but more just to inform people that hey; careful about admitting you're still using it since at best you're convincing the room you're a porn addict and at worst you're an alt-right fascist.
Here: https://xcancel.com/PeterMcCrory/status/2079979321607745905
also not to be rude to anyone who still uses it but i dont know anyone under the age of 40 that uses twitter still -- unless they do porn -- and a lot of people i know have begun to joke that it's the new facebook because it's like 99% racist old people and bots.
not saying this to be mean but more just to inform people that hey; careful about admitting you're still using it since at best you're convincing the room you're a porn addict and at worst you're an alt-right fascist.