Speaking out against government malware(ccc.de)
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Speaking out against government malware
http://ccc.de/de/updates/2012/state-trojan-proposal
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It is actually even more general than that, see www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/11/hacking_by_the.html
What does that have to do with anything? Spam much?
An editorial from a few days ago that implores security researchers to not contribute zero days to governments that use them to invade our privacy has nothing to do with "Speaking out against government malware"?
Maybe the part of the puzzle that you're missing is that 90% of the zero day market is nation states buying.
Maybe the part of the puzzle that you're missing is that 90% of the zero day market is nation states buying.
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I think the bleep up is that law enforcement are there to protect and uphold the law not breaking the law itself.
I.e. hackers are not allowed to hack other computers, but the government own agencies suddenly are. Now you have a segregated law, it’s a different law for the government agencies than its own citizens/hackers.
If we should have a fair society the same law should apply to all citizens, or it’s no longer a law but special rights to privileged people in the society.
The big question is do we want a spy society were as soon as you have different opinion than those of the government officals they can attack you with small petty crimes they have observed you doing from your own private sphere. I mean the general thing is that even government officials break the same laws they not hunted, but if you do you will get attacked.
The big question is that of fairness which is what the law should be about or they are no longer true but false.
I.e. hackers are not allowed to hack other computers, but the government own agencies suddenly are. Now you have a segregated law, it’s a different law for the government agencies than its own citizens/hackers.
If we should have a fair society the same law should apply to all citizens, or it’s no longer a law but special rights to privileged people in the society.
The big question is do we want a spy society were as soon as you have different opinion than those of the government officals they can attack you with small petty crimes they have observed you doing from your own private sphere. I mean the general thing is that even government officials break the same laws they not hunted, but if you do you will get attacked.
The big question is that of fairness which is what the law should be about or they are no longer true but false.
It's nothing new for the CCC.
Germany already has the Bundestrojaner ("Federal Trojan")
Germany already has the Bundestrojaner ("Federal Trojan")
the CCC published an in-depth analysis of the so called bundestrojaner in which they for example proofed that many of the techniques jused are unconstitutional (for example intercepting skype calls).
I dont know if there is an english version of the paper (short english summary and link to the german paper here: http://ccc.de/en/updates/2011/staatstrojaner) but it was a very amusing read. Especially because it becomes clear very fast that from a technical standpoint, the software is horrible. Unencrypted communication with the remote, no auth or integrity checks and so on. Also, a lot of data is sent over a proxy in the US.
The results were published in various newspapers, among them the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ, a very big and well known newspaper) who printed one page of the trojans source code. The headline was something like: "You cant understand this language but this is what controls your everyday life".
Im very glad that we have an institution like the CCC here in germany. Its the closest you can get to a computer/tech/hacker lobby which argues from a very pragmatical point of view for example when it comes to things like voting machines.
edit: if you want to see the pages from the FAZ with the code, you can find it here (warning - big pdf): http://www.faz.net/dynamic/download/fas/FAS_09_10_2011_S41_S...
It's titled Anatomy of a digital vermin. The code is introduced with: "A text we dont understand but it nevertheless rules our lifes"
I dont know if there is an english version of the paper (short english summary and link to the german paper here: http://ccc.de/en/updates/2011/staatstrojaner) but it was a very amusing read. Especially because it becomes clear very fast that from a technical standpoint, the software is horrible. Unencrypted communication with the remote, no auth or integrity checks and so on. Also, a lot of data is sent over a proxy in the US.
The results were published in various newspapers, among them the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ, a very big and well known newspaper) who printed one page of the trojans source code. The headline was something like: "You cant understand this language but this is what controls your everyday life".
Im very glad that we have an institution like the CCC here in germany. Its the closest you can get to a computer/tech/hacker lobby which argues from a very pragmatical point of view for example when it comes to things like voting machines.
edit: if you want to see the pages from the FAZ with the code, you can find it here (warning - big pdf): http://www.faz.net/dynamic/download/fas/FAS_09_10_2011_S41_S...
It's titled Anatomy of a digital vermin. The code is introduced with: "A text we dont understand but it nevertheless rules our lifes"
BY ANDREW AUERNHEIMER (weev)
http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/11/hacking-choice-and-disc...