I'm running for the OSI board maybe(blog.luke.wf)
blog.luke.wf
I'm running for the OSI board maybe
https://blog.luke.wf/2025/02/im-running-for-osi-board-maybe.html
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Even if this is entirely innocent and the result of someone trying to do the right thing... not a good look. They should honestly accept his candidacy and then revise the submission guidelines to be more specific in the future. To do otherwise makes it look like they're trying to exclude candidates to ensure a pre-selected candidate runs unopposed.
Bradley M Kuhn has since announced[1] the platform[2] Luke would have been running on (with a blog post for updates[3]):
Shared Platform for OSI Reform
Item 1. Repeal the Open Source AI Definition (OSAID)
Item 2. Adopt a process for formal review of previously approved licenses
Item 3. Remove “code of silence” from Board Member Agreement
Item 4. Directors should be allowed to use FOSS for Board activities
Which of these points are the OSI's current leadership so committed to blocking that they would make Luke's candidacy their hill to die on?
1. https://mas.to/@[email protected] 2. https://codeberg.org/OSI-Reform-Platform/platform 3. https://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2025/02/28/osi-board-election.htm...
Shared Platform for OSI Reform
Item 1. Repeal the Open Source AI Definition (OSAID)
Item 2. Adopt a process for formal review of previously approved licenses
Item 3. Remove “code of silence” from Board Member Agreement
Item 4. Directors should be allowed to use FOSS for Board activities
Which of these points are the OSI's current leadership so committed to blocking that they would make Luke's candidacy their hill to die on?
1. https://mas.to/@[email protected] 2. https://codeberg.org/OSI-Reform-Platform/platform 3. https://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2025/02/28/osi-board-election.htm...
In the quoted email, it is stated that to "ensure a fair process, [the OSI] must adhere to the deadline for all candidates". I'm not sure what the OSI or their stakeholders have to gain by rejecting nominations for the sake of the few hours that result from timezone differences. The purpose of a deadline is to provide enough time to vet submissions to remove candidates who are ineligible or insincere, clear up any confusion stemming from mistakes in the submission and so on. It's not a race!
I received an email from OSI on February 14 that clearly indicates UTC. It looks like the message was sent to all OSI members. Did Luke not get this email?
Details: https://openpath.quest/2025/luke-missed-the-memo/
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Update from OSI: https://bsky.app/profile/opensource.org/post/3liz24zxtfk2i
Details: https://openpath.quest/2025/luke-missed-the-memo/
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Update from OSI: https://bsky.app/profile/opensource.org/post/3liz24zxtfk2i
This journalist didn't: "I’m a dues paying member and I didn’t receive it, and it’s highly possible that others deleted the email without opening it."
OSI’s Continually Changing Election Story https://fossforce.com/2025/02/osis-changing-election-story/
It wouldn't matter anyway as they announced the deadline as 17 February, which would mean midnight local time by default (and should mean midnight AoE, especially for an organisations purporting to be concerned with openness).
OSI’s Continually Changing Election Story https://fossforce.com/2025/02/osis-changing-election-story/
It wouldn't matter anyway as they announced the deadline as 17 February, which would mean midnight local time by default (and should mean midnight AoE, especially for an organisations purporting to be concerned with openness).
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It’s an awkward situation for sure and the timezone could have been clearer.
But I also feel like if there’s no timezone for a deadline then you should assume the worst case (which here would be UTC) and make sure you submit before?
The author left it so late that in 95% of the world it was no longer the 17th Feb.
But I also feel like if there’s no timezone for a deadline then you should assume the worst case (which here would be UTC) and make sure you submit before?
The author left it so late that in 95% of the world it was no longer the 17th Feb.
Ah but UTC isn't the worst case: it's UTC+14.
I agree with the author: the timezone of the organisation is what I'd expect.
I agree with the author: the timezone of the organisation is what I'd expect.
> Ah but UTC isn't the worst case: it's UTC+14.
The worst _reasonable_ case is UTC. Nobody is thinking UTC+14.
> I agree with the author: the timezone of the organisation is what I'd expect.
If the job was a local office job, I’d expect a local time zone. But the board of directors isn’t restricted to California or even the USA.
The worst _reasonable_ case is UTC. Nobody is thinking UTC+14.
> I agree with the author: the timezone of the organisation is what I'd expect.
If the job was a local office job, I’d expect a local time zone. But the board of directors isn’t restricted to California or even the USA.
AOE times are pretty common in academic and CS circles, it is the standard for IEEE 802: https://www.ieee802.org/16/aoe.html
The OSI post that the author links to specifies the voting deadline in GMT (effectively UTC) in the sentence immediately preceding the timeline diagram.
So it can be reasonably inferred that they’re generally using GMT/UTC in the rest of their timeline, rather than AOE, UTC+14 or anything else out of the ordinary.
So it can be reasonably inferred that they’re generally using GMT/UTC in the rest of their timeline, rather than AOE, UTC+14 or anything else out of the ordinary.
No excuses for this.
They should accept they made a mistake and accept the nomination.
You cannot assume a timezone. Especially as a computer programmer, we should know that. It was Feb 17 somewhere in the world until 12:00 Feb 18 UTC
They should accept they made a mistake and accept the nomination.
You cannot assume a timezone. Especially as a computer programmer, we should know that. It was Feb 17 somewhere in the world until 12:00 Feb 18 UTC
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This sucks, but they do list other times in UTC (well, GMT, actually), so it’s not unexpected IMO.
GMT is a bizarre choice for an international organization based in California, too. GMT isn't used in the summer, and the dates when the time switches from GMT to BST and from PST to PDT aren't the same! That alone has caused confusion in every international organization I've been involved with. At least with UTC one can reasonably expect to use it throughout the entire year.
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