Sequoia is both more and less generous to Intel Macs, depending on the model(arstechnica.com)
arstechnica.com
Sequoia is both more and less generous to Intel Macs, depending on the model
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/06/the-case-for-and-against-macos-15-sequoia-being-the-final-release-for-intel-macs/
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> Apple is dropping support for the 2018 MacBook Air
That's an awfully short support window, I bet these computers still work well enough for daily usage. Thankfully, for the intel line there's always the option to install Linux (I suppose).
So much ewaste for a company that touts to be environmentally friendly.
That's an awfully short support window, I bet these computers still work well enough for daily usage. Thankfully, for the intel line there's always the option to install Linux (I suppose).
So much ewaste for a company that touts to be environmentally friendly.
When are they dropping security updates? Not being on the newest MacOS isn’t a huge deal until the security updates stop.
My iPad 2 had a weird short support cycle and the thing that killed it was a new version of iOS, it’s so slow you can barely open any app.
My iPad 2 had a weird short support cycle and the thing that killed it was a new version of iOS, it’s so slow you can barely open any app.
The general accepted rule is N-2, so you get two years of updates after you get dropped from the newest version, but there are plenty of examples of Apple neglecting to patch things on N-1 or N-2, nor has Apple ever stated a policy as such.
Not strange coming from the company that deliberately slowed down older models (batterygate).
Depending one what one means by "usage" I have connected iCloud and Obsidian to 10+ year old Macs. Sure, I can't air drop, screen support, etc. All of those features and updates you generally want on your 'new' system. But as far as booting and running a lot of compatible legacy software, browsing, email... what most people use a computer for... you could pick up any fair condition Mac from the last 10 years and chances are it will work for most things (without Linux).
Those computers will still run Ventura for years to come though.
Will 3rd party applications support it forever now that it is no longer updated?
iOS apps tend to drop support for older versions very quickly due to that the overwhelming majority of users are at most one version behind, but macOS apps generally don't. Okta Verify appears to be the only third-party app I have installed which requires >11, and that's something that has no reason to support older versions (one of the things it specifically does is stop me from logging into work things if I haven't fully updated my system).
Not unexpected I guess. But would be nice hardware to run Linux of a BSD on :)
Time to look for cheap models on tech sites ?
Nice that both Apple and Microsoft (TPM2) is helping those of us who like to by cheap. 10 year old hardware is still very usable these days.
Time to look for cheap models on tech sites ?
Nice that both Apple and Microsoft (TPM2) is helping those of us who like to by cheap. 10 year old hardware is still very usable these days.
If there are a large number of these machines out there then could it be a viable business model to provide third party OS support?
My parents rely on an Apple laptop that’s now ten years old. They would very happily pay to keep it ticking over especially to avoid the massive capital cost of a hardware upgrade. There must be many others in this position but I have no idea of “financially prudent, retired Apple laptop owner” is a market worth going after or not in comparison to how much it would cost to build a team of experts capable of supporting someone Apple’s software.
My parents rely on an Apple laptop that’s now ten years old. They would very happily pay to keep it ticking over especially to avoid the massive capital cost of a hardware upgrade. There must be many others in this position but I have no idea of “financially prudent, retired Apple laptop owner” is a market worth going after or not in comparison to how much it would cost to build a team of experts capable of supporting someone Apple’s software.
Apple would be very unlikely to want or allow that (they make almost all their money on new hardware units sold, at least for macOS). OCLP will extend the lifespan of those Macs about as far as they’ll go with macOS (I.e. to the last version of Intel macOS that gets released in the next couple of years, plus however long Apple releases security patches for that release).
That might get you another 2 years if they pull the plug after Sequoia, it might get you another 3-4 if they keep supporting the 2023 Intel Macs that were sold.
After that, if the machines are still viable, I would think your best options are Windows or Linux anyway? (It’s hard to see where a custom OS fits in).
That might get you another 2 years if they pull the plug after Sequoia, it might get you another 3-4 if they keep supporting the 2023 Intel Macs that were sold.
After that, if the machines are still viable, I would think your best options are Windows or Linux anyway? (It’s hard to see where a custom OS fits in).
OCLP is great, but not parent-proof. I had to walk my mom over the phone through manually updating OCLP after she installed a macOS update without running the patcher first, which resulted in a machine with no working wifi. (OCLP did pop up a dialog letting her know she should update it, but she closed it without reading it as users typically do when given an unexpected random dialog)
It’s best to get ahead of these issues.
I don’t know if $759 counts as “massive” but you can get a refurbished M1 MacBook Air (warranty + AppleCare eligible) from Apple: https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac
I don’t know if $759 counts as “massive” but you can get a refurbished M1 MacBook Air (warranty + AppleCare eligible) from Apple: https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac
Walmart sells a new MacBook Air M1 for $699:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39718716
I would rather install OpenCore and use the newer MacOS versions tbh.
What is not talked about is that Mac pricing seems to have shot up over the last decade and my last Intel Mac, the lovely MBP16, cost an absolute bomb. We’re getting - speculatively - to the point where Apple’s OS is barely exceeding the AppleCare support or the amortized tax write-down.
The cost per hour, that’s what I’d like to see.
The cost per hour, that’s what I’d like to see.
I second the cost per hour as someone who just glowed about quality
Good news for me for now. Still holding out with my 13" i5 2019. I really hope the next model doesn't have such an obscene pricing ladder, I don't want to spend an extra $2000 just to increase my ram past 36gb. That's a year's worth of food.
Was very confused skimming the title....I was wondering how big trees help apple.
Pretty similar, except I was thinking of the VC firm ... and I was wondering, does it really matter if Sequoia Capital is more partial towards Macs?
I would much rather they charge me $20-$100 for the OS upgrade on older models.
And the worst thing is Safari updates are tied to OS. If you don't have last three version of OS. You don't get Safari update.
And the worst thing is Safari updates are tied to OS. If you don't have last three version of OS. You don't get Safari update.
It'll be interesting to see a decade from now if the bounce back after the most recent architecture switch was immediate or if it happens over a few years. For the PPC to Intel transition, the first few Intel models were held back by only having 32-bit processors, or 64-bit processors but only 32-bit firmware. Will the M1 get 8+ years of updates, or will it have an early retirement relative to M2 and M3, or will it be all the models with only 8GB of RAM that get an early retirement?