Google: Read/Write API for Google+ Not Coming Anytime Soon(siliconfilter.com)
siliconfilter.com
Google: Read/Write API for Google+ Not Coming Anytime Soon
http://siliconfilter.com/googles-vic-gundotra-majority-of-content-shared-on-google-is-not-public-readwrite-api-not-coming-anytime-soon/
5 comments
+1,000,000. It was cool at launch, and true there are some areas where it's legitimately superior to FB and Twitter, but overall it's only marginally better at best, not enough to get most people to switch.
Worse, since launch they don't seem to have rolled out many improvements, despite the clamor among its users for solutions to various problems.
> Asked about what Google+ actually is, Gundotra answered that, at its simplest, it is a social layer across all of Google's services. For Gundotra, what was missing on Google before Google+ was its ability to really understand its users and their connections. The challenge, in Gundotra's view, is that most people don't actually quite understand this.
Actually, people don't care. They're not using G+ in order to help Google understand them and their connections, they're using it to connect, learn, grow, and enjoy themselves. But as good as the idea of circles is, there are still shortcomings in the service that impede this, and which Google hasn't addressed (hopefully they're in the process of learning from their copious amounts user feedback and fixing it all, but no idea what's going on behind the scenes).
> The general feeling one got from watching Gundotra was that in his view, those who don't quite get Google+ are probably not using it right and not looking at it in the right way.
That's unfortunate. The right way is what is natural, intuitive, and emergent. If Google didn't quite predict all of that exactly, G+ needs to adapt, not the other way around. Again, maybe they're doing exactly that behind the scenes, and just aren't done yet. I hope so, it's a great service with a lot of potential if they can just nail the remaining issues.
> As for a full read/write API that would give developers access to the stream and allow them to post to it, Gundotra noted that he doesn't quite want to do it yet. In his view, just opening up an API would pollute the stream.
I grok his concerns, but what they really need to do is provide the tools for users to micro-manage their own streams. Hashtag filtering for circles would be a huge step in that direction, and give users complete granular control over what they see and from whom. For example, if I want to see Sergey Brin's posts on computer science but not his skydiving vacations or pictures of dinner, hashtag filtering on my CS circle would facilitate that.
Side note - amusing article in the sidebar: "Study: Two-Thirds of Search Engine Users Don’t Want Personalized Results". Yup. I tend to use DDG or Google in Chromium Incognito these days.
Worse, since launch they don't seem to have rolled out many improvements, despite the clamor among its users for solutions to various problems.
> Asked about what Google+ actually is, Gundotra answered that, at its simplest, it is a social layer across all of Google's services. For Gundotra, what was missing on Google before Google+ was its ability to really understand its users and their connections. The challenge, in Gundotra's view, is that most people don't actually quite understand this.
Actually, people don't care. They're not using G+ in order to help Google understand them and their connections, they're using it to connect, learn, grow, and enjoy themselves. But as good as the idea of circles is, there are still shortcomings in the service that impede this, and which Google hasn't addressed (hopefully they're in the process of learning from their copious amounts user feedback and fixing it all, but no idea what's going on behind the scenes).
> The general feeling one got from watching Gundotra was that in his view, those who don't quite get Google+ are probably not using it right and not looking at it in the right way.
That's unfortunate. The right way is what is natural, intuitive, and emergent. If Google didn't quite predict all of that exactly, G+ needs to adapt, not the other way around. Again, maybe they're doing exactly that behind the scenes, and just aren't done yet. I hope so, it's a great service with a lot of potential if they can just nail the remaining issues.
> As for a full read/write API that would give developers access to the stream and allow them to post to it, Gundotra noted that he doesn't quite want to do it yet. In his view, just opening up an API would pollute the stream.
I grok his concerns, but what they really need to do is provide the tools for users to micro-manage their own streams. Hashtag filtering for circles would be a huge step in that direction, and give users complete granular control over what they see and from whom. For example, if I want to see Sergey Brin's posts on computer science but not his skydiving vacations or pictures of dinner, hashtag filtering on my CS circle would facilitate that.
Side note - amusing article in the sidebar: "Study: Two-Thirds of Search Engine Users Don’t Want Personalized Results". Yup. I tend to use DDG or Google in Chromium Incognito these days.
> opening up an API would pollute the stream
Although an API for Google+ would be very useful, I can see the sense in the above statement. Having only human generated content in Google+ adds a certain quality to it. That being said, there are other ways than an API to post content to Google+, I'm sure.
Although an API for Google+ would be very useful, I can see the sense in the above statement. Having only human generated content in Google+ adds a certain quality to it. That being said, there are other ways than an API to post content to Google+, I'm sure.
> Having only human generated content in Google+ adds a certain quality to it.
Very good point. There is a slightly weird aspect though to the divide between the personal posts being poured into G+, and the purely algorithmic results being pumped out the other end by Google Plus Your World et al.
Certainly, a "cohesive strategy" would be to give a more human feel to the search results (or, easier -- Kill All Humans) but in the meantime it certainly doesn't feel like different aspects of a single magical piece of huggy software. Perhaps five or ten years down the track it may seem more organic, meanwhile it has this disjointed feeling which may be contributing to the lack of love for the Googles at the moment. I pour my heart into you, robot. Why do you give me nothing but cold metal?
Sure would love for an API though so that enterprising developers could hack up some interfaces other than the one-size-feels-itchy-on-all.
Very good point. There is a slightly weird aspect though to the divide between the personal posts being poured into G+, and the purely algorithmic results being pumped out the other end by Google Plus Your World et al.
Certainly, a "cohesive strategy" would be to give a more human feel to the search results (or, easier -- Kill All Humans) but in the meantime it certainly doesn't feel like different aspects of a single magical piece of huggy software. Perhaps five or ten years down the track it may seem more organic, meanwhile it has this disjointed feeling which may be contributing to the lack of love for the Googles at the moment. I pour my heart into you, robot. Why do you give me nothing but cold metal?
Sure would love for an API though so that enterprising developers could hack up some interfaces other than the one-size-feels-itchy-on-all.
The problem with having a write API is that it could turn into Buzz where everyone's time line was just a mirror of their twitter timeline.
I don't see why they don't just provide the API and ban cross posting if that is their concern. If they are willing to go on witch hunts searching for users whose names aren't real then I'm sure they can do the same for apps that are facilitating cross posting and retract keys.
Personally a big minus for me at the moment for G+ is the lack of a decent tablet app for it. The tablet apps are just the phone apps scaled up and they completely fail at it. This would be solved for them in about 5 minutes if Google would just open up an API.
Personally a big minus for me at the moment for G+ is the lack of a decent tablet app for it. The tablet apps are just the phone apps scaled up and they completely fail at it. This would be solved for them in about 5 minutes if Google would just open up an API.
I hear this "polluting the stream" argument a lot .. but what is really so bad about someone cross-posting from Twitter ?
Wouldn't that be a great way for Google to capture some of the Twitter content (which would be more valuable IMHO) ?
Wouldn't that be a great way for Google to capture some of the Twitter content (which would be more valuable IMHO) ?
I update tumblr, which posts a to my facebook and twitter. The twitter update posts itself to G+, and facebook again. ~70% of my friends see that post at least two times, if not four.
It sucks.
It sucks.
I mean, yeah, I like G+ and I use it a fair amount... and that's partly because there are places where it's legitimately superior to Facebook in my estimation. But the failure to truly open up is something I look at as a huge disappointment and it is really killing a lot of my enthusiasm for G+.
IOW: "Damnit Google, jump on the federated social network bandwagon, implement comprehensive APIs and TEAR DOWN THOSE WALLS."