Shortest meta-circular description of a universal computational structure?(community.wolfram.com)
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Shortest meta-circular description of a universal computational structure?
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It would be interesting to see someone like Tromp explore binary FOL the way he's explored binary lambda calculus*. There are good reasons for going the FOL direction since functions are degenerate relations. While it is true that functional languages based on, for example, lambda or SK calculus, can naturally support "and parallelism" (eg x^2 in parallel with y^2 in x^2+y^2), getting "or parallelism" requires expression of independent processes (e.g.indeterminacy), some of which may not terminate. For example, operating systems need "or parallelism".
*I'm not at all comfortable with Tromp's abandoning SK for lambda calculus in his search for a principled choice of UTM for Algorithmic Information Theory. His justification seems to be that lambda is "more expressive" than sk, but that begs the question: To express _what_?
*I'm not at all comfortable with Tromp's abandoning SK for lambda calculus in his search for a principled choice of UTM for Algorithmic Information Theory. His justification seems to be that lambda is "more expressive" than sk, but that begs the question: To express _what_?
To quell AGI hysteria I've posed a simple Algorithmic Information Theoretic IQ Test question:
What is the shortest program you can come up with that outputs this string:
0000000001000100001100100001010011000111010000100101010010110110001101011100111110000100011001010011101001010110110101111100011001110101101111100111011111011111
Yann LeCun responded: "I can construct a computer for which the shortest program that generates this bit string has length 1."
To which I posed this question: "Why do mathematicians spend centuries asking for their minimum set of axioms but, not even Wolfram's acolytes ask for the shortest meta-circular description of a universal computational structure?"
Yann LeCun responded: "I can construct a computer for which the shortest program that generates this bit string has length 1."
To which I posed this question: "Why do mathematicians spend centuries asking for their minimum set of axioms but, not even Wolfram's acolytes ask for the shortest meta-circular description of a universal computational structure?"
paging John Tromp, paging John Tromp...
Yep. Tromp is indeed a legend I recall running across back when the Hutter Prize was first introduced and people were making noises about the "arbitrary choice of UTM" as though that was a good reason to not use lossless compression as the most principled loss function for machine learning. Indeed, he's still with us and gave this interview last month! https://youtu.be/ejhfJScuViY
An example of such a meta-circular Prolog interpreter is:
It can interpret pure Prolog code, a Turing-complete subset of first-order predicate logic. For example, given the following clauses:
It yields:
The meta-interpreter's own code can also be represented in this way:
And now it can interpret its own source code, interpreting any given program, arbitrarily deeply nested. For example:
Tested with Scryer Prolog.