PC Shipments Plunge Nearly 20%, Steepest Drop in More Than 20 Years(wsj.com)
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PC Shipments Plunge Nearly 20%, Steepest Drop in More Than 20 Years
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pc-shipments-plunge-nearly-20-steepest-drop-in-more-than-20-years-11665442764
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Didn't everyone buy or build PCs during the lockdown portion of the pandemic? I'm thinking now that all that latent demand has been satisfied, PC sales are just going back to normal.
Came here to post this. It’s no wonder that people call the media fake news when they post this alarmist nonsense all the time — the way they abuse headlines has really earned them their reputation.
I miss boring news. CTV seems decent. Any other outlets someone would recommend?
I miss boring news. CTV seems decent. Any other outlets someone would recommend?
Did you maybe post this in the wrong place? It seems completely unrelated to the post it's replying to.
Doesn't seem out of place to me.
Yeah, really the only reason a lot of people upgraded was the fear of supply chain issues and AMD CPUs got good. Performance finally came up to justify the expense, and now there is nothing significantly more performant. Either prices need to come down, or new tech needs to come out to make it work it. I'm still on a 2012 Xeon system, No Change Needed.
Well I’d upgrade still, but DDR5 is a requirement for the high end AMD stuff now, and that is just outright expensive
showing long term trends doesn't fit their narrative though.
And before the pandemic PC sales have been declining/stagnating for a while. Nothing surprising here except that WSJ is also getting into the clickbait-headline-useless-article territory.
I've been thinking about building a new machine based on the latest hardware but prices are still high. If they let prices drop a little the demand might be there.
Especially the GPU prices. Even though they have come down, there is still room to drop considering the flood of second-hand GPUs entering the market.
How long were those prices elevated? I seem to recall the beginning of the upward creep in mid 2017-early 2018 but it's hard to recall. It certainly feels like it's been 4-5 years.
I enjoyed checking the secondary market prices of my 1060 3GB every few months during those years as a repeatable source of shock. GPU prices had incredible staying power for a while there. But now? Now it's time to jump back in, helllooooo RTX
I enjoyed checking the secondary market prices of my 1060 3GB every few months during those years as a repeatable source of shock. GPU prices had incredible staying power for a while there. But now? Now it's time to jump back in, helllooooo RTX
I was hoping to see GPU prices on Ebay drop after the Ethereum merge but it didn't seem to happen.
Over the years, I have definitely slowed the pace at which I build & upgrade my PC's for work and for home.
I can happily live with a couple-generation-old CPU because it performs good enough.
I can reluctantly live with a couple-generation-old GPU, because the new ones are priced prohibitively.
I can happily live with a couple-generation-old CPU because it performs good enough.
I can reluctantly live with a couple-generation-old GPU, because the new ones are priced prohibitively.
CPU and GPU gains have been pretty modest for over a decade. Unless you are facing hardware failure (or the infamous Windows 'rot') I doubt many people have a legitimate reason to upgrade machines on a routine basis as they once did.
Just adding another data point here, but for those who game on a PC, the GPU market was upside down for a while. It was cheaper to buy, say a Dell XPS, than build your own PC for a period of time.
Then prices plummeted, and all returned to normal. Not sure if it plays much of a factor, but it did for me when I was determining whether or not to buy or build.
Then prices plummeted, and all returned to normal. Not sure if it plays much of a factor, but it did for me when I was determining whether or not to buy or build.
If by 'normal' you mean the 'new normal'. Prices on new GPU's might feel like a bargain compared to the Cryto/Covid/Generational perfect storm of the last 3 years, but they remain high compared to what a decent mid-range system used to be at, even accounting for inflation.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti $699 (2016), ~$862.57 (2022)[1][2]
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti $899.99 (2022)[3]
*$200 GPU price point:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Super $209.99 (2022)[3]
[1]: https://benchmarks.ul.com/hardware/gpu/NVIDIA+GeForce+GTX+10...
[2]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/nvidia-gtx-1080-1070...
[3]: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MHTVDAyU7i8oXYAlmGPE...
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti $899.99 (2022)[3]
*$200 GPU price point:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Super $209.99 (2022)[3]
[1]: https://benchmarks.ul.com/hardware/gpu/NVIDIA+GeForce+GTX+10...
[2]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/nvidia-gtx-1080-1070...
[3]: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MHTVDAyU7i8oXYAlmGPE...
Not surprising, in this environment you either have much more money or much less depending on which side of the wage gap you are on as inequality keeps growing, and yet nobody would buy a new computer that doesn't function better than the old ones.
That's what Apple did right with the M1 and M2 and the demand for them keeps growing. All the PC industry have is overheating components and Windows 11 with it's terrible user experience. Intel and AMD are battling over benchmarks with their 300W TDP processors when all the market wants is battery life. They completely lost the plot.
That's what Apple did right with the M1 and M2 and the demand for them keeps growing. All the PC industry have is overheating components and Windows 11 with it's terrible user experience. Intel and AMD are battling over benchmarks with their 300W TDP processors when all the market wants is battery life. They completely lost the plot.
You are very misinformed if you think the PC industry only has Windows 11 as an operating system.
So I looked around and almost all Lenovo, HP and Asus computers are sold with Windows 11 or no operating system. There are a few Chromebooks with ChromeOS. Lenovo have a few workstations with Linux, they are targeting small businesses with them.
Did I miss something?
Did I miss something?
Wait, "no OS" is an option? How long has that been available? And, do you get a price break compared to putting Windows on?
Would be difficult as 'no-OS' also implies 'No-Crapware' kickbacks for the seller.
Existing as a single statistic: last 2 machines I built are running Arch.
I run Windows 10 because there is no reason to update to Windows 11. Windows still has 90% of the notebook & desktop PC market, but Android has surpassed Windows. And, yes I run other operating systems but it’s not easy to install on PC hardware.
Do people with an iPhone and an iPad have a use for a PC? I don't think so.
lol until my iphone has a 40" screen, no it doesn't replace a PC. If you want to stare at a 6-7" screen all day then have at it, but your eyes aren't going to appreciate it when you're 50.
You’re right, and people haven’t watched TV in 20 years.
It appears you’re being facetious but it’s been about ten years now of TV watching for me accompanied by my smartphone.
TV watching in the most traditional sense is dead in my opinion.
TV watching in the most traditional sense is dead in my opinion.
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These statistics aren’t hard to find
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/nielsen-streaming-makes-up-o...
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/nielsen-streaming-makes-up-o...
Sure it is. Everyone watches stream and broadcast on their phone just like you I'm sure.
sorry for the confusion, I was trying to suggest people don’t give their full and undivided attention because of smartphones.
some of these issues are related. streaming surpassed broadcast in at least one important metric this year too.
my main observation is just that tv used to be a shared cultural cornerstone that appears surpassed primarily by smartphone usage.
some of these issues are related. streaming surpassed broadcast in at least one important metric this year too.
my main observation is just that tv used to be a shared cultural cornerstone that appears surpassed primarily by smartphone usage.
Ah I see your point, cheers.
Look at the demographics that standard TV commercials are aimed at. The market is literally dying.
Yes now people are paying Disney, Universal, and the media companies directly and most people still get internet from their cable company who raises rates if you don’t bundle with cable.
Meet the new boss…
Meet the new boss…
Or watches streaming shows on their TV. Not everyone is restricted to just a phone.
> It would be easy to think PC sales dropped worldwide last year amid chip shortages, but that conventional thinking would be wrong. As it turns out, Canalys reports that PC shipments grew 15% year over year in 2021 and were up 27% over 2019, with a whopping 341 million units sold.
https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/12/canalys-worldwide-pc-shipm...