What’s the Biggest Bird in the World?(atlasobscura.com)
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What’s the Biggest Bird in the World?
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Absolutely fascinating! Hope you didn't just make it all up /s
I did not make it up.
The size of pterodactyls; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatlus
Pterodactyls could fly from birth: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2284950-baby-pterosaurs...
And the bit on Resource Partitioning in https://www.khanacademy.org/science/ap-biology/ecology-ap/co... has the principle that in the presence of competition, animals focus on whatever niche lets them outcompete.
But while I'm throwing out trivia on flight, have you ever wondered why bats only fly at night? It is because their wings have very thin skin. This is an even better aerodynamic surface than feathers, but offers them NO protection from sunburn!
The size of pterodactyls; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatlus
Pterodactyls could fly from birth: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2284950-baby-pterosaurs...
And the bit on Resource Partitioning in https://www.khanacademy.org/science/ap-biology/ecology-ap/co... has the principle that in the presence of competition, animals focus on whatever niche lets them outcompete.
But while I'm throwing out trivia on flight, have you ever wondered why bats only fly at night? It is because their wings have very thin skin. This is an even better aerodynamic surface than feathers, but offers them NO protection from sunburn!
Ok, but the key point is the causative link between wing structure and size, for which you have not cited anything.
The only theory I've heard on that front is that being able to both launch and flap with their arms basically allowed them to use the same, larger muscles for both, rather than having to split them, which increased their size ceiling while still being able to launch. http://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2018/05/why-we-think-gian... (This is more precisely answering the question "how could they get so big?", but still pretty germane.)
The only theory I've heard on that front is that being able to both launch and flap with their arms basically allowed them to use the same, larger muscles for both, rather than having to split them, which increased their size ceiling while still being able to launch. http://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2018/05/why-we-think-gian... (This is more precisely answering the question "how could they get so big?", but still pretty germane.)
I didn't cite a causative link between wing structure and size. There were plenty of small pterosaurs. I cited a causative link between wing structure and parenting demands. And that is tied to the fact that babies can't fly if their wings don't support it.
I have no idea from which article I ran across the connection between wing structure and juvenile flight. But the idea stuck because I was familiar with heterochrony from having read too much Stephen J. Gould when I was younger. However it is an observable fact that baby bats and birds do not fly, while fossil evidence says that pterosaurs did. The amount of parenting effort that birds require is also well-documented.
I have no idea from which article I ran across the connection between wing structure and juvenile flight. But the idea stuck because I was familiar with heterochrony from having read too much Stephen J. Gould when I was younger. However it is an observable fact that baby bats and birds do not fly, while fossil evidence says that pterosaurs did. The amount of parenting effort that birds require is also well-documented.
That's great, honestly cool stuff, but the question you purported to be answering was:
> Why did pterosaurs get so much bigger?
> Why did pterosaurs get so much bigger?
Had the same exact thought. Thank you!
This was an awesome comment just wanted to say thanks!
Disappointed that there was no mention of Hieraaetus moorei/Pouakai/Haast's Eagle.
https://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/sites/all/files/MA_I043829.jpg
Mainly because I love how the local Māori tribe had legends of Pouakai (Old glutton) who lived on a nearby mountain and would fly down to steal dogs and children, and based on that legend, a scientist climbed the mountain, and found sub-fossil nests of the eagle.
https://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/sites/all/files/MA_I043829.jpg
Mainly because I love how the local Māori tribe had legends of Pouakai (Old glutton) who lived on a nearby mountain and would fly down to steal dogs and children, and based on that legend, a scientist climbed the mountain, and found sub-fossil nests of the eagle.
When I'm bored of having the same conversation about NZ* over and over again, I'll tell people these still exist, and as kids we grew up learning to always have one kid looking out for eagles when playing outside.
*Anything related to Lord of the rings, sheep, "oh I'd like to visit!", comparisons with Australia, border lockdowns, etc
*Anything related to Lord of the rings, sheep, "oh I'd like to visit!", comparisons with Australia, border lockdowns, etc
My go-to on the "I'd love to visit" is a stern admonishment that
a) you'll need far more than two weeks if you want to see the North Island _and_ South Island
b) if you're having to choose, South Island is Best Island
c) You should think of kea as flying monkeys with a built-in multitool, who are definitely looking to steal your passport and have the means, and be on your guard accordingly.
a) you'll need far more than two weeks if you want to see the North Island _and_ South Island
b) if you're having to choose, South Island is Best Island
c) You should think of kea as flying monkeys with a built-in multitool, who are definitely looking to steal your passport and have the means, and be on your guard accordingly.
This article lead me down a wiki wormhole where I eventually came across this HG Wells story about a guy who's marooned on a deserted island with an elephant bird:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Stolen_Bacillus_and_Other...
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Stolen_Bacillus_and_Other...
Albatros ! Albatros !
I thought so at first, but then I realized it's a trick question. In fact, the biggest bird in the world is the cave swallow, P. f. pallida, with a wingspan of 4.2"-4.4".
Oilbirds live in caves and I think they are a bit larger
An albatross has half the wingspan and 1/3 the weight of these monsters.
Albatrosses are not even the largest flying birds alive today. The Andean Condor holds that crown.
Albatrosses are not even the largest flying birds alive today. The Andean Condor holds that crown.
It is actually the great bustard if you consider weight not wingspan - https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Great_bustard
Wandering Albatross have a wider wingspan than Andean Condors on average if I am not mistaken
Huh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_albatross confirms. Longer wingspan (by 1 foot), but lighter bird.
By contrast the largest pterosaur was Quetzalcoatlus northropi with a wingspan estimated around 36 feet and a weight around 500 pounds. (Fun trivia, its outstretched middle finger, half that wing, is the longest vertebrate digit in the fossil record.)
Why did pterosaurs get so much bigger? Because of a simple quirk of vertebrate genetics!
It turns out that there are things which are evolutionarily easy to change (like your overall size, or when you hit puberty) and things that are essentially impossible. One of the things that is essentially impossible is the sequencing of when different parts of your body hit growth spurts. Hands+feet grow relatively early, but arms and legs only catch up near adulthood. It's cute when puppies and human babies have big hands and feet but stubby arms and legs. However it has consequences for flying vertebrates.
Birds have a wind that is all made out of their arms. Bats have a wing that is half arm, then half hand. Therefore both birds and bats are unable to fly until near adulthood because their arms have not yet grown yet, so their wings can't support their weight. This imposes a huge parenting burden as the young have to be taken care of. And the bigger the adult size, the bigger the parenting burden!
But pterosaurs had a wing constructed entirely out of their hands! Because hands grow early, models say that pterosaurs should have been able to fly from birth. Fossils of juvenile pterosaurs that died at sea confirm that they actually could. And because of that a large pterosaur would not impose a parenting burden, which means that pterosaurs were free to grow much larger than birds or bats.
This did not become important until birds evolved. Animals tend to compete through specialization. Each species focuses on what it is best at, and then they coexist. But feathers are more aerodynamic than a pterodactyl's fur. Therefore birds flew faster and farther while using less energy. The only thing that a pterosaur was better than a bird at was being big. So after birds appeared, the small pterosaurs all disappeared, and the big ones got REALLY big!