Microsoft is threatening to withhold Windows 11 updates if your CPU is old(theverge.com)
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Microsoft is threatening to withhold Windows 11 updates if your CPU is old
https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/28/22646035/microsoft-windows-11-iso-workaround-no-update-guarantee
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I was just looking at their compatibility for my perfectly powerful laptop (Dell Latitude e5570 with i7-6820HQ) and was sad to see it won’t support Windows 11. Very sad
Shrink your W10 partition then install W11 to the new space from the ISO.
Any unavailable W11 drivers install manually by pointing to "D:\WINDOWS\INF and D:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS" or wherever your w10 files are.
Works on an old Dell W7 business desktop with a Core2 Duo E8400.
Any unavailable W11 drivers install manually by pointing to "D:\WINDOWS\INF and D:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS" or wherever your w10 files are.
Works on an old Dell W7 business desktop with a Core2 Duo E8400.
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I just enabled Insider Preview (Beta channel) on i3-6100U laptop, and Windows 11 installed.
Do you have your firmware TPM enabled in UEFI?
Do you have your firmware TPM enabled in UEFI?
I’ve been running windows 11 on a Ryzen 1800X (which is unsupported) and it’s been very stable and a much more pleasant and consistent experience than windows 10. 1800X meets all of the technical requirements such as TPM 2.0 but they announced a few days ago that older Ryzen CPUs will never be supported. Too bad and I hope a workaround will remain.
And the GPU winter is still here, with very few and very expensive GPUs in the market.
In other news, most people are fine with the OS not pushing updates and blaming it for their security issues can be easily delayed until it is too late.
Linux is love, Linux is life.
Noted. In order to stop forced Windows Updates, all I have to do is have an old enough CPU.
Or use Linux and just have a system that works forever, literally.
If you are a newbie, try PopOS.
If you are a newbie, try PopOS.
Manjaro is also pleasant. Available with different DEs. Spoiled for choice these days.
In order to stop forced Windows Updates, the best solution is to switch to Linux.
It seems like Linux is the only way out for old hardware.
i'll be on linux!
What specifically in a newer X86 chip would justify this ?
TPM 2.0 and DRM codepaths to properly "secure" app installs?
Supposedly some optional side channel attack mitigations that are only present in Core i 8th/Zen 2 or later.
However, 8th/Zen 2 means i3-8xxx and Ryzen 3xxx or later, respectively, which contradicts Microsoft’s requirements which allows Zen+ Ryzen 2xxx/3xxxG. So it’s a bit of mystery.
However, 8th/Zen 2 means i3-8xxx and Ryzen 3xxx or later, respectively, which contradicts Microsoft’s requirements which allows Zen+ Ryzen 2xxx/3xxxG. So it’s a bit of mystery.
Withholding security updates on more vulnerable hardware sounds like a galaxybrain solution indeed :-P
Mode-based execution control - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/why-windows-11-has-s...
1, PCs are barely getting faster and they need to manufacture a reason to force people to upgrade.
2, some kind of DRM scheme that doesnt work on older hardware
2, some kind of DRM scheme that doesnt work on older hardware
Finally! This will be the year of Linux on the desktop.
I don't think it makes sense to say "the year of Linux." Mass-migration to Linux wouldn't be good for anyone. Definitely not for end users, who wouldn't know how to deal with simple problems, and not for distributors, who wouldn't know how to handle angry "customers." And imagine these Debian maintainers flooded with requests from thousands of people using their packages.
On the other hand, the current process is natural and works well: people get frustrated with their old system, look for something new, try a few distros and if they like them, they stay with Linux, otherwise they go back to their system. In this way the popularity of Linux is increasing steadily, and in a vast majority of cases you use Linux on your personal machine because you want it, and not because you are forced to (because, say, the manufacturer of your previous system is user-hostile). This is how things should be.
On the other hand, the current process is natural and works well: people get frustrated with their old system, look for something new, try a few distros and if they like them, they stay with Linux, otherwise they go back to their system. In this way the popularity of Linux is increasing steadily, and in a vast majority of cases you use Linux on your personal machine because you want it, and not because you are forced to (because, say, the manufacturer of your previous system is user-hostile). This is how things should be.
DAE feel Win11 going the same route as 10X? Feel a sort of spoiled atmosphere.
So, let's think about this and assume Microsoft are behaving rationally rather than just being out to screw users for the hell of it. Most of Microsoft's incentives are to get as many people as possible to upgrade to Windows 11. Why aren't they making it as easy as possible?
I think it's because they're planning on supporting Windows 11 for 10 years. Supporting 20 year old hardware in 2031 would be a massive pain, both in terms of testing and in terms of still not being able to depend on platform features and needing all kinds of kludgy fallbacks (e.g. virtualization or the TPM).
The cost of allowing installation on older hardware for now is basically zero, and is an easy concession to make to help with the negative PR. The cost of promising updates on that old hardware is impossible to estimate, but could be quite high.
I think it's because they're planning on supporting Windows 11 for 10 years. Supporting 20 year old hardware in 2031 would be a massive pain, both in terms of testing and in terms of still not being able to depend on platform features and needing all kinds of kludgy fallbacks (e.g. virtualization or the TPM).
The cost of allowing installation on older hardware for now is basically zero, and is an easy concession to make to help with the negative PR. The cost of promising updates on that old hardware is impossible to estimate, but could be quite high.
Linux supports the bulk of 20-year-old hardware today with zero issue. And Windows 10 has abandoned support for some hardware as well.
Linux does support but if an obscure combination of components doesn't work no one will go hunt down Linux developers but Microsoft will be required to provide support either way. So yes it's not a matter of not being able to support it today but a case of being able to cheaply support older hardware at an acceptable level that a commercial vendor such as Microsoft is supposed to.
Arch Linux is great, and Mac OS is way way better than Windows. Mac is not private, it is convenient and based on Unix; which is why I like it. My main set up is a linux box running Gardua Linux. When Asahi Linux get's more stable I will virtualize my Mac hardware and use Linux full time. Gaming is not really an issue on Linux for me anymore. Most of my library works and I code more than I do anything else.
mac is a pitiful walled garden about to be canabkized by apple for the type of privacy invasion and dmca2.0 google gets. get out now.