How to Use Siri I'm Getting Pulled over to Record Police(businessinsider.com)
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How to Use Siri I'm Getting Pulled over to Record Police
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This doesn’t stream though does it? It just records locally then uploads later from what I can tell. Ideally you’d do both. A high quality recording that gets uploaded, and a stream (of whatever quality can be managed) that will survive the phone being switched off or destroyed part way through.
Are you worried police is shooting you and your phone?
The whole article make its look like any police interaction is somehow a thread to peoples live. Its absurd.
Nothing wrong with recording (where legal) but if you need to stream it and store it on the blockchains you probably need a reality check. What really puts people in danger is the car also a phone being used in the car and then a bazillion other things before police.
The whole article make its look like any police interaction is somehow a thread to peoples live. Its absurd.
Nothing wrong with recording (where legal) but if you need to stream it and store it on the blockchains you probably need a reality check. What really puts people in danger is the car also a phone being used in the car and then a bazillion other things before police.
> Nothing wrong with recording (where legal)
Except that there are plenty of examples of a cop going after a bystander who's recording the cop's interaction with someone because the cop doesn't want it recorded — and the cop tells the bystander something like "you're obstructing a police matter," which is ... not correct.
Except that there are plenty of examples of a cop going after a bystander who's recording the cop's interaction with someone because the cop doesn't want it recorded — and the cop tells the bystander something like "you're obstructing a police matter," which is ... not correct.
Or even assaulting and/or arresting the bystander filming.
Do you know what assaulting means? An arrest inst assaulting anyone.
Also its not for filming but for not following orders which is exactly what cops are paid do do. If you dont want to get arrested follow the order they give you.
Here, LMGTFY:
https://www.theverge.com/21355122/police-brutality-violence-...
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/video-miami-cops-arrest-b...
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article248020...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/05/cop-slapped...
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-do...
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-do...
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170829/09553338104/no-im...
https://www.theverge.com/21355122/police-brutality-violence-...
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/video-miami-cops-arrest-b...
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article248020...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/05/cop-slapped...
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-do...
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-do...
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170829/09553338104/no-im...
You complete ignore what I wrote and post random links that make no sense in the context.
My stance is you should film.
My stance is you should not interfere in any way with police as a bystander unless you ask first and get permission to help.
My stance is that if you get ordered to do something you have to follow that order. If you dont, you are in fact interfering and you are subject to lawful arrest.
The fact that police can give you illegitimate order doesn't change that.
For example they may not have the authority to demand you to stop filming but they can order you to leave the scene or hold appropriate distance. And various other stuff like to pull your hands out of your pocket. Its relevant to the safely of themself and everyone around. If you dont comply they have the right to arrest you. And as soon as they tell you that you are under arrest you lose your right to record or at lest you right to hold and point the cam the way you want. And yes there rules all apply even if you think the police is doing something illegitimate or brutal or whatever. You are not a judge and your subjective interpretation of the situation does in no way change what what you are and aren't allowed do do. Its really not that hard of a concept.
Since you like links here is one for you https://youtu.be/qiZi-BpzFuc?t=72 As you can see people seriously think they need to film stuff because a dozen officers clearly are trying to kill someone and the only thing that could save the person are the bystander with phones. But police keeps them at a distance so they can kill the person anyway without video evidence. After 90 minutes they gave up because too many bystanders could potentially film the killing. Brave brave bystanders saving people form state funded killer pigs. People are so out of touch with reality they act like little kids who insist that all adults are complicit to be mean to them for no reason.
My stance is you should film.
My stance is you should not interfere in any way with police as a bystander unless you ask first and get permission to help.
My stance is that if you get ordered to do something you have to follow that order. If you dont, you are in fact interfering and you are subject to lawful arrest.
The fact that police can give you illegitimate order doesn't change that.
For example they may not have the authority to demand you to stop filming but they can order you to leave the scene or hold appropriate distance. And various other stuff like to pull your hands out of your pocket. Its relevant to the safely of themself and everyone around. If you dont comply they have the right to arrest you. And as soon as they tell you that you are under arrest you lose your right to record or at lest you right to hold and point the cam the way you want. And yes there rules all apply even if you think the police is doing something illegitimate or brutal or whatever. You are not a judge and your subjective interpretation of the situation does in no way change what what you are and aren't allowed do do. Its really not that hard of a concept.
Since you like links here is one for you https://youtu.be/qiZi-BpzFuc?t=72 As you can see people seriously think they need to film stuff because a dozen officers clearly are trying to kill someone and the only thing that could save the person are the bystander with phones. But police keeps them at a distance so they can kill the person anyway without video evidence. After 90 minutes they gave up because too many bystanders could potentially film the killing. Brave brave bystanders saving people form state funded killer pigs. People are so out of touch with reality they act like little kids who insist that all adults are complicit to be mean to them for no reason.
I case you could not figure it out I expressed favor to record police interaction where legal. Form all parties (ordinary people but also cops themself should).
There was absolutely no talk about bystander but for the sake of your invalid argument I agree they should also record if possible.
The "..."you're obstructing a police matter," which is ... not correct. " Is a pointless generalized statement that is therefore false.
Bystanders especially groups and yelling people pose a significant risk to the police and others involved. If you can't see why they would not let people come close to take the perfect tiktok video you just ignore the reality of police work. They are trained to assure the situation is as safe as possible for everyone involved and keep uninvolved out. Not to provide the best recording angle for bystanders. If you serious think they want people at a distance so they can commit crimes and the evidence videos will be from too far away, then you are delusional and completely out of touch with reality. Its absurdly stupid argument especially if you take into account that almost all cop interactions do not have recording form bystanders so there plenty opportunity for bad cops to do bad.
The "..."you're obstructing a police matter," which is ... not correct. " Is a pointless generalized statement that is therefore false.
Bystanders especially groups and yelling people pose a significant risk to the police and others involved. If you can't see why they would not let people come close to take the perfect tiktok video you just ignore the reality of police work. They are trained to assure the situation is as safe as possible for everyone involved and keep uninvolved out. Not to provide the best recording angle for bystanders. If you serious think they want people at a distance so they can commit crimes and the evidence videos will be from too far away, then you are delusional and completely out of touch with reality. Its absurdly stupid argument especially if you take into account that almost all cop interactions do not have recording form bystanders so there plenty opportunity for bad cops to do bad.
Unfortunately it's not absurd. Police in the US are extremely dangerous. They have by far the highest killing rate of any advanced nation, and can do so basically with impunity.
Also you do not need to be driving. I've had extremely frightening encounters with police when walking in a public space in broad daylight. The only times (yes, plural) I've ever had a gun pulled on me was by US cops...
Also you do not need to be driving. I've had extremely frightening encounters with police when walking in a public space in broad daylight. The only times (yes, plural) I've ever had a gun pulled on me was by US cops...
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> The whole article make its look like any police interaction is somehow a thread to peoples live.
In 2020 in the USA people were twice as likely to get killed by a cop than killed in a mass shooting. Police killed over a thousand people in a single year.
In 2020 in the USA people were twice as likely to get killed by a cop than killed in a mass shooting. Police killed over a thousand people in a single year.
What an absurd comparison. This only tells me that being killed in a mass shooting is very very very unlikely which is in fact true. But being killed by police is also very very very unlikely in fact its de facto zero if you aren't a criminal/drug abuser and comply with police orders.
Breonna Taylor was an EMT that was murdered by police while asleep in her own bed during a no-knock raid.
There is no data to suggest that she was a criminal or drug abuser.
Tamir Rice was a 13 year old kid playing with a toy gun (which have orange tips to denote that they are toys). He was murdered by police, too.
Duncan Lemp was executed by police shooting into his home at 4:30AM whilst he was totally asleep.
There are many other examples, this is not an occasional, anecdotal thing. (Additionally, under the law in the US, the penalty for being suspected of crime or drug dealing is not "summary execution by police". It involves a trial.)
Your claim is false.
There is no data to suggest that she was a criminal or drug abuser.
Tamir Rice was a 13 year old kid playing with a toy gun (which have orange tips to denote that they are toys). He was murdered by police, too.
Duncan Lemp was executed by police shooting into his home at 4:30AM whilst he was totally asleep.
There are many other examples, this is not an occasional, anecdotal thing. (Additionally, under the law in the US, the penalty for being suspected of crime or drug dealing is not "summary execution by police". It involves a trial.)
Your claim is false.
> Breonna Taylor was an EMT that was murdered by police while asleep in her own bed during a no-knock raid.
That's absolutely not what happened. At worst this was horrible police work at "best" it was a freak accident. There is zero reason to believe that anyone was murdered.
Not going into the other cases because quite frankly it does not falsify my claim even if they are in fact what you say they are.
My calm was that its very very very unlikely which is true even if it happens. Just like the mass shooting you original brought up that is also very very very unlikely to kill you even trough it could happen.
That does not make "police interaction somehow a threat to people" (the original statement) Just like the lottery does not make you a millionaire. And boarding a plane doesn't make you die in a fireball. You gotta look at probability in a rational way. The risk of being killed by police is very very low and as said above by not being a criminal/drug abuser and by complying it gets even lower. So low that its practically non-existent. You do dozens of things every day that have a way higher probability of killing you. Like taking a shower. The statement that taking a shower somehow poses a threat to people is still absurd and wrong.
That's absolutely not what happened. At worst this was horrible police work at "best" it was a freak accident. There is zero reason to believe that anyone was murdered.
Not going into the other cases because quite frankly it does not falsify my claim even if they are in fact what you say they are.
My calm was that its very very very unlikely which is true even if it happens. Just like the mass shooting you original brought up that is also very very very unlikely to kill you even trough it could happen.
That does not make "police interaction somehow a threat to people" (the original statement) Just like the lottery does not make you a millionaire. And boarding a plane doesn't make you die in a fireball. You gotta look at probability in a rational way. The risk of being killed by police is very very low and as said above by not being a criminal/drug abuser and by complying it gets even lower. So low that its practically non-existent. You do dozens of things every day that have a way higher probability of killing you. Like taking a shower. The statement that taking a shower somehow poses a threat to people is still absurd and wrong.
Did you not see recent news:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj66LBel_WQ
He "only" got pepper-sprayed, but now imagine if he tried to unbuckle himself using his hands where the frightened cop couldn't see them...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj66LBel_WQ
He "only" got pepper-sprayed, but now imagine if he tried to unbuckle himself using his hands where the frightened cop couldn't see them...
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Phrasing it like that makes it seem like it's some kind of freakish accident.
Cops are taught to shoot center of mass of a person basically until they stop moving. They are expected to do this and are judged according to that expectation.
Police is killing people because that's exactly what you expect of the police whenever policeman feels he's threatened.
In USA of course, not in many other first world countries.
Cops are taught to shoot center of mass of a person basically until they stop moving. They are expected to do this and are judged according to that expectation.
Police is killing people because that's exactly what you expect of the police whenever policeman feels he's threatened.
In USA of course, not in many other first world countries.
There is a show called South Park where the two hunters find something they want to shoot (usually off season) and right before they shoot, they yell, "It's coming straight for us!" The animal, usually just grazing, looks up and has an expression like, WTF? The hunters use this tactic to get around hunting laws.
>Police is killing people because that's exactly what you expect of the police whenever policeman feels he's threatened.
This South Park skit reminds me of when police say, "I felt threatened."
>Police is killing people because that's exactly what you expect of the police whenever policeman feels he's threatened.
This South Park skit reminds me of when police say, "I felt threatened."
Incredibly sad that this sort of thing is required. Obviously nobody enjoys getting pulled over, but you should be fearing a fine, not getting beat up or killed.
Being pulled over is incredibly safe, there's almost zero chance of being shot for people who aren't antagonizing. Policing in America is overly assertive, but remember that almost 1/2 the people they pull over have guns, it's dangerous for them as well creating a bad kind of civil standoff. While more police training and oversight is necessary, it won't materially change the dynamic in any kind of statistically consequential way, it will just be more consistently fair.
I think you've put your finger on it. Because guns are ubiquitous in the US, the police are afraid every single time they interact. This leads to mistakes, sometimes deadly ones. "Almost zero chance" times millions of interactions means a few very, very bad outcomes.
Those outcomes may be clustered around certain people who already have a tenuous relationship with the police. Again, a small amount of racism times a lot of interactions leads to some very visible issues. And now that people have cameras all the time, those very visible issues are obvious to everybody.
There doesn't seem to be any solution to this. The US has committed to its guns. Police must assume that you are armed, and agitated by having to deal with police (even if they've pulled you over for a genuine but minor infraction such as a moving violation or equipment failure). In this circumstance, people are going to die. It's simply a thing we have tacitly accepted.
There will also be people who won't tacitly accept it, and their outrage is also a thing we have to accept. They live in fear of an armed police force the same way the armed police force is afraid of them. That's going to lead to escalating violence, and there doesn't seem to be anything we can do about that.
Those outcomes may be clustered around certain people who already have a tenuous relationship with the police. Again, a small amount of racism times a lot of interactions leads to some very visible issues. And now that people have cameras all the time, those very visible issues are obvious to everybody.
There doesn't seem to be any solution to this. The US has committed to its guns. Police must assume that you are armed, and agitated by having to deal with police (even if they've pulled you over for a genuine but minor infraction such as a moving violation or equipment failure). In this circumstance, people are going to die. It's simply a thing we have tacitly accepted.
There will also be people who won't tacitly accept it, and their outrage is also a thing we have to accept. They live in fear of an armed police force the same way the armed police force is afraid of them. That's going to lead to escalating violence, and there doesn't seem to be anything we can do about that.
The TV show 'COPS' would demonstrate very vividly how insane some people can be and of course they are 'selected clips' - but when they film in Canada ... almost nothing happens.
In LA, there used to be (still are?) news items on the 'Helicoptor following the chase' which, as a Canadian, was dumbfounding to me.
Youtube vides of 2 police arresting a man, 4 hands on him, they're putting on the cuffs and them bam he goes for his gun (!!!) - literally right has 2 officers have him under control, the assailant tries to kill the cops.
Traffic cops have people 'take off' on them far too often.
So combine this with the very real availability of guns, and you have quite dangerous situations.
Again, I would repeat that the cops are still overzealous, but unless you're antagonizing you have little to worry about other than maybe a cop in a bad mood.
It's not populist for people to have to deal with the fact that Americans themselves are statistically poorly behaved when confronting cops.
Americans often see a funny bit of behaviour on the news and think 'Oh, that's so Florida' - but for people outside the US the entire country looks like 'Florida'.
In LA, there used to be (still are?) news items on the 'Helicoptor following the chase' which, as a Canadian, was dumbfounding to me.
Youtube vides of 2 police arresting a man, 4 hands on him, they're putting on the cuffs and them bam he goes for his gun (!!!) - literally right has 2 officers have him under control, the assailant tries to kill the cops.
Traffic cops have people 'take off' on them far too often.
So combine this with the very real availability of guns, and you have quite dangerous situations.
Again, I would repeat that the cops are still overzealous, but unless you're antagonizing you have little to worry about other than maybe a cop in a bad mood.
It's not populist for people to have to deal with the fact that Americans themselves are statistically poorly behaved when confronting cops.
Americans often see a funny bit of behaviour on the news and think 'Oh, that's so Florida' - but for people outside the US the entire country looks like 'Florida'.
> almost 1/2 the people they pull over have guns
I sincerely doubt it. Do you have a source?
edit Roughly a third of Americans own a gun, [0] so the proportion with guns in their cars is almost certainly far less than that.
[0] https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own...
I sincerely doubt it. Do you have a source?
edit Roughly a third of Americans own a gun, [0] so the proportion with guns in their cars is almost certainly far less than that.
[0] https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-hou...
That link says 40% say they own a gun. Regardless, you want to ask how many people who are pulled over have guns in their car. Potentially it is higher because they were (in most cases) speeding, driving illegally, or license plate is connected to previous crimes.
Then you should ask, if 10% of traffic stops result in guns being found what effect does that on police officers. What if it is 25%? 50%?
I’m not saying it’s one way or another, but refuting your claim that it is certainly less than 50%, and suggesting that even if it is it has an effect on the officer.
I’m not sure what the solution is here, past holding cops who harm innocent people accountable.. but that doesn’t address the lack of safety the officer faces.
That link says 40% say they own a gun. Regardless, you want to ask how many people who are pulled over have guns in their car. Potentially it is higher because they were (in most cases) speeding, driving illegally, or license plate is connected to previous crimes.
Then you should ask, if 10% of traffic stops result in guns being found what effect does that on police officers. What if it is 25%? 50%?
I’m not saying it’s one way or another, but refuting your claim that it is certainly less than 50%, and suggesting that even if it is it has an effect on the officer.
I’m not sure what the solution is here, past holding cops who harm innocent people accountable.. but that doesn’t address the lack of safety the officer faces.
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It's not. It's incredibly rare for the police to kill someone who is unarmed and not resisting/fighting with them. The police could certainly improve to be less violent, but this is not something that the average person will ever have to deal with.
Rather than learn how to use Siri, just don't carry a gun around and don't fight with the police if they try to arrest you. This may not be fair and you may not like it, but from a practical standpoint, if your goal is not to be killed by the police, it's fairly simple.
Rather than learn how to use Siri, just don't carry a gun around and don't fight with the police if they try to arrest you. This may not be fair and you may not like it, but from a practical standpoint, if your goal is not to be killed by the police, it's fairly simple.
I got pulled over driving through rural Missouri in December for speeding (something like 77 in a 65). I was pretty surprised to be pulled over, but I had out-of-state plates so figured I was just being picked on for an easy ticket.
The police officer was polite enough, but he asked me to sit in the front seat of the police car while he ran the papers, since it was cold out. Now obviously, I know my rights, and could easily have said "No, I'd like to stay in the car". But from everything I've learned from routine encounters with the police, being compliant and friendly is the recipe to getting out quick. So I agreed, got out of my car, and got into the police car's front seat. Nothing about it was particularly aggressive or intimidating, but I almost had a panic attack in the police car because of how weird and uncomfortable it was, and that the officer was not wearing a mask at all.
The police officer was polite enough, but he asked me to sit in the front seat of the police car while he ran the papers, since it was cold out. Now obviously, I know my rights, and could easily have said "No, I'd like to stay in the car". But from everything I've learned from routine encounters with the police, being compliant and friendly is the recipe to getting out quick. So I agreed, got out of my car, and got into the police car's front seat. Nothing about it was particularly aggressive or intimidating, but I almost had a panic attack in the police car because of how weird and uncomfortable it was, and that the officer was not wearing a mask at all.