The ethereal art of fog-catching(bbc.com)
bbc.com
The ethereal art of fog-catching
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200221-how-fog-can-solve-water-shortage-from-climate-change-in-peru
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This is #fakenews.
I've see one application that actually worked and wasn't 100% hype. It was pretty specific conditions, some political. I'm sure their might be two locations is works, these BBC examples are not them.
This always goes to Dune and generic removal of water from the air, Thunderf00t talks on youtube about actual physics involved around collection of water from the atmosphere and how it's not possible if you're interested why this can't happen.
It only can happen around the ocean where it's pretty much rain, but it doesn't rain and the saltwater contaminates the water supply and you own rich sea side housing but can't pipe it in from a near by town.
If there is a working application of fog nets feel free to post a link with actual photos and number of litres recovered. That would be a big deal to leave the "we want money stage" and supply real water. So there will be studies if it's real, that we can read.
I've see one application that actually worked and wasn't 100% hype. It was pretty specific conditions, some political. I'm sure their might be two locations is works, these BBC examples are not them.
This always goes to Dune and generic removal of water from the air, Thunderf00t talks on youtube about actual physics involved around collection of water from the atmosphere and how it's not possible if you're interested why this can't happen.
It only can happen around the ocean where it's pretty much rain, but it doesn't rain and the saltwater contaminates the water supply and you own rich sea side housing but can't pipe it in from a near by town.
If there is a working application of fog nets feel free to post a link with actual photos and number of litres recovered. That would be a big deal to leave the "we want money stage" and supply real water. So there will be studies if it's real, that we can read.
> If there is a working application of fog nets feel free to post a link with actual photos and number of litres recovered.
Did you look at the linked video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4GHGBov15U
I share your skepticism about most of these "projects", but I think this one might at least be real. They claim 200-400L per day from 60 nets currently in operation, and show video of a bunch of ~3m x ~4m nets in operation.
> It only can happen around the ocean where it's pretty much rain, but it doesn't rain and the saltwater contaminates the water supply and you own rich sea side housing but can't pipe it in from a near by town.
The video (somewhat to my surprise) pointed out that a subset of these caveats are indeed requirements. It requires fog, and a light breeze. It does not however require that the seaside housing be "rich", nor that it be even be housing. In the examples shown, the area is next-door to a slum, and the water is being used for small-scale crop irrigation on otherwise unusable land.
I think this may actually be an example of good news coverage. Please check out the video and report back whether you stand by your #fakenews conclusion.
(There are comments on the video saying that Abel, the purported inventor, is fraudulently claiming that these are his own invention, and that in fact the prototypes were designed by visiting Dutch or Israeli students. But I consider this separate from the claim that that technology is necessarily fake, as opposed to just extremely site specific.)
Did you look at the linked video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4GHGBov15U
I share your skepticism about most of these "projects", but I think this one might at least be real. They claim 200-400L per day from 60 nets currently in operation, and show video of a bunch of ~3m x ~4m nets in operation.
> It only can happen around the ocean where it's pretty much rain, but it doesn't rain and the saltwater contaminates the water supply and you own rich sea side housing but can't pipe it in from a near by town.
The video (somewhat to my surprise) pointed out that a subset of these caveats are indeed requirements. It requires fog, and a light breeze. It does not however require that the seaside housing be "rich", nor that it be even be housing. In the examples shown, the area is next-door to a slum, and the water is being used for small-scale crop irrigation on otherwise unusable land.
I think this may actually be an example of good news coverage. Please check out the video and report back whether you stand by your #fakenews conclusion.
(There are comments on the video saying that Abel, the purported inventor, is fraudulently claiming that these are his own invention, and that in fact the prototypes were designed by visiting Dutch or Israeli students. But I consider this separate from the claim that that technology is necessarily fake, as opposed to just extremely site specific.)
So you win. I can't prove it failed. So I retract the "fakenews"
I can't find any follow up.
I can't find it on the map, but I also can't not find it.
I did find two other fog projects in the township now seemingly gone.
https://goo.gl/maps/Nrt4UmeGNe8XnBtz5 (RE: Your comment)
https://wateractionhub.org/media/files/2018/05/29/12-14-18.0... Seems gone on the map to.
So, what I liked about the video is it talks about community gardens. But I also know it's code for the original idea doesn't work so you have to spin it.
The video also makes no sense about tech needing investment, since it's really simple if the claimed tech works and easy to install, micro-loans will do.
The dude has a book coming out, so is still going strong - https://www.facebook.com/lossinagua/photos/a.734357029999709...
Take a ride through the township, and you'll see the town really really needs running water - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWQMZAr7te8
And checkout the wall, to separate the poor in the suburb - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAPeh5kJML4
I can't find any follow up.
I can't find it on the map, but I also can't not find it.
I did find two other fog projects in the township now seemingly gone.
https://goo.gl/maps/Nrt4UmeGNe8XnBtz5 (RE: Your comment)
https://wateractionhub.org/media/files/2018/05/29/12-14-18.0... Seems gone on the map to.
So, what I liked about the video is it talks about community gardens. But I also know it's code for the original idea doesn't work so you have to spin it.
The video also makes no sense about tech needing investment, since it's really simple if the claimed tech works and easy to install, micro-loans will do.
The dude has a book coming out, so is still going strong - https://www.facebook.com/lossinagua/photos/a.734357029999709...
Take a ride through the township, and you'll see the town really really needs running water - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWQMZAr7te8
And checkout the wall, to separate the poor in the suburb - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAPeh5kJML4
Saying fake news to open makes it hard to read the rest of your comment which was otherwise helpful.
How would you suggest I say it succinctly?
I am saying it's fraud. It's taking money for the worlds poorest people. And BBC is not fact checking.
I'm really sick of people not calling out tech they know doesn't work. I'm sick of people just saying weak statements like it 'probably' won't work. Calling it for what it is. Calling it fraud might have legal issues, I think #fakenews works.
And I understand the next level, NGO's help poor communities by going there and inject money by buying beer and women and hiring locals to construct things that don't work well and will fall apart in few years because wells are boring and no one wants to fund them. But they also need wells.
I am saying it's fraud. It's taking money for the worlds poorest people. And BBC is not fact checking.
I'm really sick of people not calling out tech they know doesn't work. I'm sick of people just saying weak statements like it 'probably' won't work. Calling it for what it is. Calling it fraud might have legal issues, I think #fakenews works.
And I understand the next level, NGO's help poor communities by going there and inject money by buying beer and women and hiring locals to construct things that don't work well and will fall apart in few years because wells are boring and no one wants to fund them. But they also need wells.
Do something about it then. People don’t usually come to the comments section of hacker news to start or join a cause.
"Fake news" is awkward because it's what you say to discount things you don't like that are actually true. My friends and I all use "fake news" when we're criticizing someone or something, but not to describe actual misleading information. When used earnestly, then, it looks like you're either joking or denying reality.
It's left as an exercise to the reader to figure out why this is.
It's left as an exercise to the reader to figure out why this is.