NLP’s generalization problem, and how researchers are tackling it(thegradient.pub)
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NLP’s generalization problem, and how researchers are tackling it
https://thegradient.pub/frontiers-of-generalization-in-natural-language-processing/
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> And we still don't have language models that make any sense at all.
My understanding is that current language models are very good at capturing the syntactic structure of the sentences, but fail when modeling would require common sense or additional knowledge sources. Is this correct?
My understanding is that current language models are very good at capturing the syntactic structure of the sentences, but fail when modeling would require common sense or additional knowledge sources. Is this correct?
What are the methods you're thinking of that have better generalization properties?
Actually, I wasn't thinking of any specific methods, but now that you
mentioned it, Inductive Logic Progamming (the subject of my PhD - see my
comment about being biased) is a fine example.
For a slightly more impartial opinion, here's a DeepMind paper that performs neural ILP: https://deepmind.com/blog/learning-explanatory-rules-noisy-d...
The authors begin by extolling the virtues of ILP, including its generalisation abilities, as follows:
Second, ILP systems tend to be impressively data-efficient, able to generalise well from a small handful of examples. [1]
You can find more references to the generalisation power of ILP algorithms sprinkled throughout that text and in any case the entire paper is about getting the "best of both worlds" between ILP's generalisation, interpretability, ability for transfer learning and data efficiency and deep learning's robustness to noise and handling of non-symbolic data (I disagree about these last two bits with the authors, but, OK).
From my part, below is an example of learning a general form of the (context-free) a^nb^n grammar from 4 positive and 0 negative examples, using the Meta-Interpretive Learning system Metagol (a state-of-the-art ILP learner, referenced in the DeepMind paper; my PhD research is based on Metagol). You can clone metagol from its github page:
https://github.com/metagol/metagol
Metagol is written in Prolog. To run the example, you'll need a Prolog interpreter, either Yap [2] or Swi-Prolog [3]. And Metagol.
Copy the code below into a text file, call it something like "anbn.pl" and place it, e.g. in the "examples" directory in metagol's root directory.
You can test the results by copy/pasting the two clauses of the predicate 'S'/2 into a prolog file (anbn.pl will do fine), (re)loading it and running a few queries like the following:
I guess you might not be much impressed by mere learning of a puny little grammar of a's and b's. You might be slightly more impressed if you know that learning a Context-Free language from only positive examples is actually impossible [4]. Metagol learns it thanks to the strong inductive bias provided by the two second-order metarules, at the start of the example. But, that's another huge can of worms. You asked me about generalisation :)
btw, no, you can't learn a^nb^n with deep learning- or anything else I'm aware of. The NLP people here should be able to confirm this.
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[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/1711.04574.pdf
[2] http://www.dcc.fc.up.pt/~vsc/Yap/ (Yap is fastest)
[3] http://www.swi-prolog.org/ (Swi has more features)
[4] https://scholar.google.gr/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=langu...
Well, actually, it is possible - but you need infinite examples or an Oracle already knowing the language.
For a slightly more impartial opinion, here's a DeepMind paper that performs neural ILP: https://deepmind.com/blog/learning-explanatory-rules-noisy-d...
The authors begin by extolling the virtues of ILP, including its generalisation abilities, as follows:
Second, ILP systems tend to be impressively data-efficient, able to generalise well from a small handful of examples. [1]
You can find more references to the generalisation power of ILP algorithms sprinkled throughout that text and in any case the entire paper is about getting the "best of both worlds" between ILP's generalisation, interpretability, ability for transfer learning and data efficiency and deep learning's robustness to noise and handling of non-symbolic data (I disagree about these last two bits with the authors, but, OK).
From my part, below is an example of learning a general form of the (context-free) a^nb^n grammar from 4 positive and 0 negative examples, using the Meta-Interpretive Learning system Metagol (a state-of-the-art ILP learner, referenced in the DeepMind paper; my PhD research is based on Metagol). You can clone metagol from its github page:
https://github.com/metagol/metagol
Metagol is written in Prolog. To run the example, you'll need a Prolog interpreter, either Yap [2] or Swi-Prolog [3]. And Metagol.
Copy the code below into a text file, call it something like "anbn.pl" and place it, e.g. in the "examples" directory in metagol's root directory.
% Load metagol
:-['../metagol']. % e.g. place in metagol/examples.
% Second-order metarules providing inductive bias
metarule([P,Q,R], ([P,A,B]:- [[Q,A,C],[R,C,B]])).
metarule([P,Q,R], ([P,A,D]:- [[Q,A,B],[P,B,C],[R,C,D]])).
% Grammar terminals, provided as background knowledge
'A'([a|A], A).
'B'([b|A], A).
% Terminals actually declared as background knowledge primitives
prim('A'/2).
prim('B'/2).
% Code to start training
learn_an_bn:-
% Example sentences in the a^nb^n language
Pos = ['S'([a,a,b,b],[])
,'S'([a,b],[])
% ^^ Place second to learn clauses in terminating order
,'S'([a,a,a,b,b,b],[])
,'S'([a,a,a,a,b,b,b,b],[])
]
% You can actually learn _without_ any negative examples.
,Neg = []
,learn(Pos, Neg).
[anbn].
?- learn_an_bn.
% learning S/2
% clauses: 1
% clauses: 2
'S'(A,B):-'A'(A,C),'B'(C,B).
'S'(A,B):-'A'(A,C),'S'(C,D),'B'(D,B).
true .
You can test the results by copy/pasting the two clauses of the predicate 'S'/2 into a prolog file (anbn.pl will do fine), (re)loading it and running a few queries like the following:
?- 'S'(A,[]). % Run as generator
A = [a, b] ;
A = [a, a, b, b] ;
A = [a, a, a, b, b, b] ;
A = [a, a, a, a, b, b, b, b] ;
A = [a, a, a, a, a, b, b, b, b|...] ;
?- 'S'([a,a,b,b],[]). % Run as acceptor
true .
?- 'S'([a,a,b,b,c],[]). % Run as acceptor with invalid string
false.
?- 'S'([a,a,b,b,c],Rest). % Split the string to valid + suffix (Rest)
Rest = [c] .
?- 'S'([a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,b,b,b,b,b,b,b,b,b,b],[]).
true .
I guess you might not be much impressed by mere learning of a puny little grammar of a's and b's. You might be slightly more impressed if you know that learning a Context-Free language from only positive examples is actually impossible [4]. Metagol learns it thanks to the strong inductive bias provided by the two second-order metarules, at the start of the example. But, that's another huge can of worms. You asked me about generalisation :)
btw, no, you can't learn a^nb^n with deep learning- or anything else I'm aware of. The NLP people here should be able to confirm this.
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[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/1711.04574.pdf
[2] http://www.dcc.fc.up.pt/~vsc/Yap/ (Yap is fastest)
[3] http://www.swi-prolog.org/ (Swi has more features)
[4] https://scholar.google.gr/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=langu...
Well, actually, it is possible - but you need infinite examples or an Oracle already knowing the language.
> You might be slightly more impressed if you know that learning a Context-Free language from only positive examples is actually impossible.
Isn’t this kind of obvious, since there’s no way to distinguish the true grammar from the grammar accepting all strings (and thus any positive examples)?
Isn’t this kind of obvious, since there’s no way to distinguish the true grammar from the grammar accepting all strings (and thus any positive examples)?
LSTMs can learn a count mechanism that lets them recognize a^n b^n and a^n b^n c^n: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1805.04908.pdf
LSTMS can't learn a^nb^n or a^nb^nc^n, neither can they learn to count, and that paper shows why (because they generalise poorly).
From the paper (section 5, Experimental Results):
>> 2. These LSTMs generalize to much higher n than seen in the training set (though not infinitely so).
The next page, under heading Results, further explains that "on a^nb^n, the LSTM generalises "well" up to n = 256, after which it accumulates a deviation making it reject a^nb^n but recognise a^nb^n+1 for a while until the deviation grows".
In other words- the LSTM in the paper fails to learn a general representation of the a^nb^n, i.e. one for unbounded n.
This is typical of attempts to learn to count with deep neural nets- they learn to count up to a few numbers above their largest training example. Then they lose the thread.
You can test the grammar learned by Metagol on arbitrarily large numbers using the following query:
Again, note that Metagol has learned the entire language from 4 examples. The LSTM in the paper learned a limited form from 100 samples.
Results for the LSTM are similar for a^nb^nc^n. The GRU in the paper does much worse.
Btw, note that we basically have to take the authors' word for what their networks are actually learning. They say they're learning to count - OK. No reason not to believe them. Then again, you have to take them at their word. The first-order theory learned by Metagol is easy to inspect and verify. The DeepMind paper I quoted above makes that point about interpretability also (that you don't have to speculate about what your model is actually reprsenting, because you can just, well, read it).
I have an a^nb^nc^n Metagol example somewhere. I'll dig it up if required.
From the paper (section 5, Experimental Results):
>> 2. These LSTMs generalize to much higher n than seen in the training set (though not infinitely so).
The next page, under heading Results, further explains that "on a^nb^n, the LSTM generalises "well" up to n = 256, after which it accumulates a deviation making it reject a^nb^n but recognise a^nb^n+1 for a while until the deviation grows".
In other words- the LSTM in the paper fails to learn a general representation of the a^nb^n, i.e. one for unbounded n.
This is typical of attempts to learn to count with deep neural nets- they learn to count up to a few numbers above their largest training example. Then they lose the thread.
You can test the grammar learned by Metagol on arbitrarily large numbers using the following query:
?- _N = 100_000, findall(a, between(1,_N,_), _As), findall(b, between(1,_N,_),_Bs), append(_As,_Bs,_AsBs), 'S'(_AsBs,[]).
true .
Again, note that Metagol has learned the entire language from 4 examples. The LSTM in the paper learned a limited form from 100 samples.
Results for the LSTM are similar for a^nb^nc^n. The GRU in the paper does much worse.
Btw, note that we basically have to take the authors' word for what their networks are actually learning. They say they're learning to count - OK. No reason not to believe them. Then again, you have to take them at their word. The first-order theory learned by Metagol is easy to inspect and verify. The DeepMind paper I quoted above makes that point about interpretability also (that you don't have to speculate about what your model is actually reprsenting, because you can just, well, read it).
I have an a^nb^nc^n Metagol example somewhere. I'll dig it up if required.
Thanks for great insight.
Am I right in thinking Metagol requires all training examples to be flawless? LSTM presumably can handle some degree of erroneous training examples.
The ideal learning system would combine these properties: sample efficiency more like Metagol but also some degree of tolerance to errors in training data like deep learning.
Am I right in thinking Metagol requires all training examples to be flawless? LSTM presumably can handle some degree of erroneous training examples.
The ideal learning system would combine these properties: sample efficiency more like Metagol but also some degree of tolerance to errors in training data like deep learning.
Yes, classification noise is an issue, but there are ways around it and
they're not particularly complicated. For instance, the simplest thing you can
do is repeated random subsampling, which is not a big deal given the high
sample efficiency and the low training times (seconds, rather than hours, let
alone days or weeks).
See for instance this work, where Metagol is trained on noisy image data by random subsampling:
https://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~shm/Papers/logvismlj.pdf
The DeepMind paper flags up ILP's issues with noisy data as a show stopper, but like I say in my comment above, I disagree. The ILP community has found various ways to deal with noise over the years since the '90s.
If you are wondering what the downsides are of Meta-Interpretive Learning, the real PITA with Metagol for me is the need to hand-craft inductive bias. This is not different to choosing and fine-tuning a neural net architecture, or choosing Bayesian priors etc, and in fact might be simpler to do in Metagol (because inductive bias is clearly and cleanly encoded in metarules) but it's still a pain. A couple of us are working on this currently. It's probably impossible to do any sort of learning without some kind of structural bias- but it may be possible to figure the right kind of structure out automatically, in some cases, under some assumptions etc etc.
I think there's certainly an "ideal system" that is some kind of "best of both worlds" between ILP and deep learning, but I wouldn't put my money on some single algorithm doing both things at once, like the δILP system in the DeepMind paper. I'd put my money (and research time) on combining the two approaches as separate module, perhaps a deep learning module for "low-level" perceptual tasks and a MIL module for "high-level" reasoning. That's what each system does best, and there's no reason to try to add screw-driving functionality to a hammer, or vice-versa.
See for instance this work, where Metagol is trained on noisy image data by random subsampling:
https://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~shm/Papers/logvismlj.pdf
The DeepMind paper flags up ILP's issues with noisy data as a show stopper, but like I say in my comment above, I disagree. The ILP community has found various ways to deal with noise over the years since the '90s.
If you are wondering what the downsides are of Meta-Interpretive Learning, the real PITA with Metagol for me is the need to hand-craft inductive bias. This is not different to choosing and fine-tuning a neural net architecture, or choosing Bayesian priors etc, and in fact might be simpler to do in Metagol (because inductive bias is clearly and cleanly encoded in metarules) but it's still a pain. A couple of us are working on this currently. It's probably impossible to do any sort of learning without some kind of structural bias- but it may be possible to figure the right kind of structure out automatically, in some cases, under some assumptions etc etc.
I think there's certainly an "ideal system" that is some kind of "best of both worlds" between ILP and deep learning, but I wouldn't put my money on some single algorithm doing both things at once, like the δILP system in the DeepMind paper. I'd put my money (and research time) on combining the two approaches as separate module, perhaps a deep learning module for "low-level" perceptual tasks and a MIL module for "high-level" reasoning. That's what each system does best, and there's no reason to try to add screw-driving functionality to a hammer, or vice-versa.
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I'm not sure we read something as much as we develop a shared mental model and associated new language with another human. Most of the time these models are just slightly different from before, so the change is so subtle as to be invisible. We have the appearance of a universal language called, say, "English". We don't actually have one. It's close enough.
If you take a look around, printed words don't exist in most languages. Most languages are spoken. Printing is an extremely new thing we've only had for a very short amount of time. The only thing print can do is present a stilted, over-formal version of what listening to a monotone person give a speech in a dark room might be like. That's good enough for most cases, since the brain makes stuff up it needs. But I don't think it's language, at least not in the same way real spoken languages are language. Real languages are a messy and confusing affair, even more than printed words can be. The way it works is through the interaction over time, not over definitions. (Something something language games)
I wish the guys luck. I'm not so sure we understand the problem yet. We may end up creating a machine that makes up answers to our questions after reading such that it sounds like a real person is doing the work. That's cool -- but it'd be a horrible disaster for humanity if something like that started being the primary interaction point with people. Over time it would make us a horribly stupid and unimaginative species. Like everything else in tech, we have good intentions and endless optimism. We're going to solve a problem whether we understand what it is or not, dang it. plus ça change... (And no, I don't think giving up the idea is any good. I'm just encouraging more understanding of the real goal versus the apparent goal)
If you take a look around, printed words don't exist in most languages. Most languages are spoken. Printing is an extremely new thing we've only had for a very short amount of time. The only thing print can do is present a stilted, over-formal version of what listening to a monotone person give a speech in a dark room might be like. That's good enough for most cases, since the brain makes stuff up it needs. But I don't think it's language, at least not in the same way real spoken languages are language. Real languages are a messy and confusing affair, even more than printed words can be. The way it works is through the interaction over time, not over definitions. (Something something language games)
I wish the guys luck. I'm not so sure we understand the problem yet. We may end up creating a machine that makes up answers to our questions after reading such that it sounds like a real person is doing the work. That's cool -- but it'd be a horrible disaster for humanity if something like that started being the primary interaction point with people. Over time it would make us a horribly stupid and unimaginative species. Like everything else in tech, we have good intentions and endless optimism. We're going to solve a problem whether we understand what it is or not, dang it. plus ça change... (And no, I don't think giving up the idea is any good. I'm just encouraging more understanding of the real goal versus the apparent goal)
On the one hand I agree, but on the other hand, I'd like to sprinkle a bit more of that endless optimism and assume that embodied cognition is the next logical step. Perhaps once these NLP agents are put into robotic bodies and begin interacting with our world more fully, they will "evolve" to attach "real meaning" to their language processing.
I love the optimism, I'd just like to see tech folks clearly delineate "This is what we're doing. This is what it might look like we're doing but we're not." The hype cycle in tech, combined with a tech-illiterate public isn't such a good thing, especially in a democracy. Too often the only way we figure things out is by getting screwed. That's a recurring behavior pattern that has to end. Somehow.
> Too often the only way we figure things out is by getting screwed. That's a recurring behavior pattern that has to end. Somehow.
That's just it - exploration vs exploitation trade-off. Don't believe this can be dusted off.
That's just it - exploration vs exploitation trade-off. Don't believe this can be dusted off.
I think part of the issue might be that there is no "real meaning", we all make it up individually in our heads.
Right. I've spent some time on this during my research for a book about how to manage product/project information, so much of which involves written language.
We create meaning through human interaction. It's a very dynamic and fuzzy experience. We make it out to be a lot more concrete than it actually is. (Part of that is because of the rise of written language, which gives the illusion that if you can point at text on a page that somehow that text represents in an absolute fashion some concept. It does not.) Add programming to the mix, which is almost an entirely mathematical construct, and it's quite easy to get the wrong idea.
This is the kind of thing programmers have blind spots about, and frankly it drives a lot of people crazy. So it's exactly the kind of domain where well-intentioned people can totally fuck things up for large portions of humanity. I'm not really crazy about seeing another social-media-level "oops!" in my lifetime.
We create meaning through human interaction. It's a very dynamic and fuzzy experience. We make it out to be a lot more concrete than it actually is. (Part of that is because of the rise of written language, which gives the illusion that if you can point at text on a page that somehow that text represents in an absolute fashion some concept. It does not.) Add programming to the mix, which is almost an entirely mathematical construct, and it's quite easy to get the wrong idea.
This is the kind of thing programmers have blind spots about, and frankly it drives a lot of people crazy. So it's exactly the kind of domain where well-intentioned people can totally fuck things up for large portions of humanity. I'm not really crazy about seeing another social-media-level "oops!" in my lifetime.
This seems like a good place to plug one of my favorite pieces of writing on communication and how it can go wrong: http://jkorpela.fi/wiio.html
"a mouth without a brain" analogy is good one. Current NLP is impressive but there are limits.
People have spatiotemporal model of the world, different physical models, social and behavioral models of the world, organizational model of the society, economic model, etc. Humans parse the language and transform it into multiple models of the world where many indented meanings and semantics are self-evident and it becomes "a common sense". They have crude understanding of how fabrics, paper, gas, liquid, rubber, iron, rock, etc. behave and they understand written text based on this more complete model zoo.
There is similar limit in computer vision. Humans reason about 2d images using internal 3d model. Even if they see a completely new object shape, they can usually infer what the other side of the object looks like using basic symmetries and physical models.
Image understanding must eventually transform into spatiotemporal + physical model and there are several approaches underway. NLP has much harder problem, because the problem is more abstract and complex.
People have spatiotemporal model of the world, different physical models, social and behavioral models of the world, organizational model of the society, economic model, etc. Humans parse the language and transform it into multiple models of the world where many indented meanings and semantics are self-evident and it becomes "a common sense". They have crude understanding of how fabrics, paper, gas, liquid, rubber, iron, rock, etc. behave and they understand written text based on this more complete model zoo.
There is similar limit in computer vision. Humans reason about 2d images using internal 3d model. Even if they see a completely new object shape, they can usually infer what the other side of the object looks like using basic symmetries and physical models.
Image understanding must eventually transform into spatiotemporal + physical model and there are several approaches underway. NLP has much harder problem, because the problem is more abstract and complex.
Related article on the same website: https://thegradient.pub/nlp-imagenet/
NLP (or specifically NLP using deep learning) seems to be having a breakout moment in the last year or so where there have been large advancements back to back.
Generalization is hard - you're often tuning millions of parameters at once, and often the most "sane" thing for the loss function to do is rote memorization. It'll be interesting to see what comes about from this discussion.
NLP (or specifically NLP using deep learning) seems to be having a breakout moment in the last year or so where there have been large advancements back to back.
Generalization is hard - you're often tuning millions of parameters at once, and often the most "sane" thing for the loss function to do is rote memorization. It'll be interesting to see what comes about from this discussion.
> NLP (or specifically NLP using deep learning) seems to be having a breakout moment in the last year or so where there have been large advancements back to back.
I don't know about that. Everything with deep learning seems to attract so much hype that it's hard to measure the actual progress without being a researcher.
On the other hand, "classic" AI projects seem to get no recognition, even when they deliver astounding results.
For example, how many people here heard about MIT's Genesis project?
(http://groups.csail.mit.edu/genesis/)
If you don't know your past, everything seems like progress.
I don't know about that. Everything with deep learning seems to attract so much hype that it's hard to measure the actual progress without being a researcher.
On the other hand, "classic" AI projects seem to get no recognition, even when they deliver astounding results.
For example, how many people here heard about MIT's Genesis project?
(http://groups.csail.mit.edu/genesis/)
If you don't know your past, everything seems like progress.
Great article! It is very true that NLP is amongst the most lagging divisions within machine learning. Mainly because text content is very unstructured everywhere, let alone working consistently for different languages.
It is fascinating to see how things got better over the last couple of years though!
It is fascinating to see how things got better over the last couple of years though!
"Mainly because text content is very unstructured everywhere"
Encoded into this somewhat unstructured data is the very thing NLP is after: the meaning.
If you cannot teach a machine a language by talking to it with "unstructured" language, how are you supposed to make it both understand it, grok it, and speak it?
We have no trouble teaching small kids about history and math using untructured language.
Language is maybe unstructured, but the internets has lots of it, so to me, the state of NLP today is a dissapointment. I'm convinced though that general AI will be achieved through NLP. I mean, most of what I know I have either been told or I have read it somewhere. And my parent's didn't use annotated data much.
Encoded into this somewhat unstructured data is the very thing NLP is after: the meaning.
If you cannot teach a machine a language by talking to it with "unstructured" language, how are you supposed to make it both understand it, grok it, and speak it?
We have no trouble teaching small kids about history and math using untructured language.
Language is maybe unstructured, but the internets has lots of it, so to me, the state of NLP today is a dissapointment. I'm convinced though that general AI will be achieved through NLP. I mean, most of what I know I have either been told or I have read it somewhere. And my parent's didn't use annotated data much.
As a (former) linguist, I'm baffled about talking about language as "unstructured". Sure it isn't _rigidly_ structured, but "un"? There's a lot of structure into it, it's just so complex (and so connected to extralinguistic structures) that our ML models don't grok it!
> I'm baffled about talking about language as "unstructured".
It's a (imprecise) term in Computer Science which may not refer to the same thing you are thinking about. Hence, the confusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_data
It's a (imprecise) term in Computer Science which may not refer to the same thing you are thinking about. Hence, the confusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_data
Typically "unstructured" is opposed to tabular data, where rows and columns are a natural representation.
Is a (never) linguist, I think the edge case successes demonstrate how far we really have to go in ML generally. Driving is an entirely engineered phenomenon. Down to the species level of things that might run out in front of it, every atmospheric perturbation, we can define every event that's going to affect a car, and they have been designed over more than 100 years to deal with them.
Medical imaging: another area where highly trained humans have thought rigorously (for about the same amount of time) about what this all means.
What ML is lacking is the data and labels a baby bootstraps from into the "common world". How many ML models have been training on the taste of breast milk, smell of mother, the smell of dirt, the upward view of everything (think about how much time babies, since the stone age, have spent laid on their backs, looking up.
These things have to be segregated in a fairly unsupervised way using little more than reflexes (cry, suck, fencer, grasp, etc) for a while: smell of mom sometimes comes with warm milk, but not always. Associating this warm body with the smell, not just food. Sound of mom doesn't always come with smell of mom.
Medical imaging: another area where highly trained humans have thought rigorously (for about the same amount of time) about what this all means.
What ML is lacking is the data and labels a baby bootstraps from into the "common world". How many ML models have been training on the taste of breast milk, smell of mother, the smell of dirt, the upward view of everything (think about how much time babies, since the stone age, have spent laid on their backs, looking up.
These things have to be segregated in a fairly unsupervised way using little more than reflexes (cry, suck, fencer, grasp, etc) for a while: smell of mom sometimes comes with warm milk, but not always. Associating this warm body with the smell, not just food. Sound of mom doesn't always come with smell of mom.
>> Encoded into this somewhat unstructured data is the very thing NLP is after: the meaning.
The problem is that we don't know how meaning is encoded into language utterances and we don't know how meaning is represented, once it's decoded from those utterances (i.e. in our minds). It's very unlikely that these elements, the encoding process that turns meaning to language and back again and the reprsentation of meaning, are carried around in language utterances themselves [1]. And yet- we keep trying to figure out both, the encoding process and the representation, just by looking at the encoded utterances.
Imagine having a compressed string and trying to figure out a) the compression algorithm and b) the uncompressed string, withouth having ever seen examples of either. That's what natural language understanding from raw, unstructured text is like.
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[1] Edit: Is that even possible? Is it possible to send an encoded message including its own encoding procedure, so that the message can be decoded even when the procedure is not known beforehand? Wouldn't that require that the procedure is somehow possible to decode independently of the message? Is there another way?
The problem is that we don't know how meaning is encoded into language utterances and we don't know how meaning is represented, once it's decoded from those utterances (i.e. in our minds). It's very unlikely that these elements, the encoding process that turns meaning to language and back again and the reprsentation of meaning, are carried around in language utterances themselves [1]. And yet- we keep trying to figure out both, the encoding process and the representation, just by looking at the encoded utterances.
Imagine having a compressed string and trying to figure out a) the compression algorithm and b) the uncompressed string, withouth having ever seen examples of either. That's what natural language understanding from raw, unstructured text is like.
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[1] Edit: Is that even possible? Is it possible to send an encoded message including its own encoding procedure, so that the message can be decoded even when the procedure is not known beforehand? Wouldn't that require that the procedure is somehow possible to decode independently of the message? Is there another way?
You make some good points.
>> we keep trying to figure out both, the encoding process and the representation, just by looking at the encoded utterances
I think what we're trying to do or what I'm trying to do at least is to find a model that would produce the same interpretations of an utterance as a human would. I don't see why we couldn't find such a model pretty soon, given the vast amount of data out there, however unstructured it might be.
>> we keep trying to figure out both, the encoding process and the representation, just by looking at the encoded utterances
I think what we're trying to do or what I'm trying to do at least is to find a model that would produce the same interpretations of an utterance as a human would. I don't see why we couldn't find such a model pretty soon, given the vast amount of data out there, however unstructured it might be.
I don't think what's stopping us from modelling meaning is the lack of structure in textual data. I think it's the fact that text is not meaning. It somehow encodes meaning, but we don't know how and we don't know what a "unit of meaning" is supposed to look like.
When you say that we have "vast amounts of data" you mean that we have vast amounts of text- but by modelling text we will not model meaning, we will only model text. We have not observed "meaning" and we have no examples of meaning turning into text and back again.
If I may be allowed the simile, training on text to model meaning is a bit like looking at a screen hiding a figure of a person and trying to learn something about the person from the screen they're hiding behind.
You can't model phenomena you can't observe.
When you say that we have "vast amounts of data" you mean that we have vast amounts of text- but by modelling text we will not model meaning, we will only model text. We have not observed "meaning" and we have no examples of meaning turning into text and back again.
If I may be allowed the simile, training on text to model meaning is a bit like looking at a screen hiding a figure of a person and trying to learn something about the person from the screen they're hiding behind.
You can't model phenomena you can't observe.
>We have no trouble teaching small kids about history and math using untructured language.
Crucially it's unstructured data, plus interaction. You could use it in a sentence hundreds of times and hope the kid learns about cats, but it's much easier to just let the kid play with a cat.
Crucially it's unstructured data, plus interaction. You could use it in a sentence hundreds of times and hope the kid learns about cats, but it's much easier to just let the kid play with a cat.
> I'm convinced though that general AI will be achieved through NLP.
I think you're wrong. General AI is much more related to reinforcement learning and embodiment. Language without embodiment is ungrounded.
I think you're wrong. General AI is much more related to reinforcement learning and embodiment. Language without embodiment is ungrounded.
I disagree. We have dictionaries, URLs, Wikipedia categories and concept taxonomies. There is a lot of structured data. It's just that "external" structures don't seem to be all that useful when analyzing internal structure of a text.
It seems more structured to me than acoustic or visual data...
If nothing else, you should open up this article to look through the images just below intro - often surprising how non-intelligent these learned NLP models often actually are, especially for non AI-researchers.
This isn't an NLP problem, it's an AI problem. Despite all the hype, we haven't actually made any progress toward solving strong AI, human-like general intelligence. NLP, computer vision, and many other AI problems are probably AI-complete, meaning that solving them entails solving strong AI. And the inability to generalize is exactly what separates the partial solutions we currently have from strong AI.
Recently there has been lot of interesting research in field of NLP. Lot of new models, algorithms and techniques have been developed along with lot of research papers published. Personally I feel that NLP is now heading in direction where we had an aha moment with ImageNet.
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A thought I had the other day was how much of a driver was our need for rhythm and rhyme in the development of synonyms. Which led me to thinking how much is language driven by fun, as much as it is by any real logic. It seems word choice for any given topic is dominated by early mover and then just plain pleasant sound.
To that end, any system that is just looking for the logic of an underlying system is going to be stymied by the fundamental lack of it in language. There is the appearance of logic. And it can actually get you quite far. However, I question if it can encompass all of it. At least until the next best seller comes out.
To that end, I do not find it surprising that the best model will be an ensemble model. More, as long as we are dealing with English (a non-pictographic and a non-phonetic language), then we are ultimately trying to build a model on top of a malleable base where appeals to the logic of yesterday in a language have a non zero chance of failing today. (Edit to make this point clearer, it is amusing to me how many lines in classic Shakespear no longer pop in the same way for current language. "Now is it Rome indeed, and room enough". That a pair of words could cease to be homophones is not something that seems at all obvious. Of course, I have not studied this in decades, so mayhap my grade school lied to me.)
To that end, any system that is just looking for the logic of an underlying system is going to be stymied by the fundamental lack of it in language. There is the appearance of logic. And it can actually get you quite far. However, I question if it can encompass all of it. At least until the next best seller comes out.
To that end, I do not find it surprising that the best model will be an ensemble model. More, as long as we are dealing with English (a non-pictographic and a non-phonetic language), then we are ultimately trying to build a model on top of a malleable base where appeals to the logic of yesterday in a language have a non zero chance of failing today. (Edit to make this point clearer, it is amusing to me how many lines in classic Shakespear no longer pop in the same way for current language. "Now is it Rome indeed, and room enough". That a pair of words could cease to be homophones is not something that seems at all obvious. Of course, I have not studied this in decades, so mayhap my grade school lied to me.)
We basically expect deep neural networks to acquire language without a body that it can use to interact with an environment. I believe you cannot separate language from the body or the environment. A corpus of text is simply not holistic enough to capture the meaning behind the symbols.
How would you design a training scenario with a virtual agent(s)?
Many miles down the path where hours (slowly) lays to rest, I can imagine a vivid portrait being hung in a tree outside a dungeon. Of course created with non-existing poisonous paint. A painting of good natured, voluptuous beings huddled down and whispering to each other. Whispers that should then be set free to travel the invisible rails of the web trainset everyone play with almost everywhere. The trainset that the strict parents watches without blinking their tiny hidden trinoculars. Small talk carefully elaborated and twisted to do with the ultimate meaning as you did with the dead cat, in the backyard, but not only buried within but hidden with fragrant leafs that hasn't been seen, smelled or heard before. Later, another image can be conjured of the train with heavy soldiers that hasn't gotten a single flag on the journey, embarking, and upon inspection of their long seen captain, immediately recognized for their true unchanging self.
If you asked me (you shouldn't, I'm biased), I'd tell you that we're never going to get deep neural nets to behave well enough to learn meaning. Those damn things are way too smart for us. They're so smart that they can always find the easiest, dumbest way to map inputs to outputs- by simply overfitting to their training set (or their entire data set, if cross-validation is thorough enough). You can see lots of examples of that in the article above.
The big promise of deep learning was (and is) that it would free us from the drudgery of feature engineering- but, the amount of work you need to do to convince a deep net to learn what you want it to, rather than what it wants to learn, is starting to approach that of hand-crafting features.
And we still don't have language models that make any sense at all.