Africa will get a new $1B spaceport in Djibouti(qz.com)
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Africa will get a new $1B spaceport in Djibouti
https://qz.com/africa-will-get-a-new-1-billion-spaceport-in-djibouti-1849994821
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A space port is mostly a road to an empty place with some tanks set up. But the real big effort is getting all the regulatory things managed, environmental and 'rockets'.
Don't you need some empty space (ocean or desert) downrange, just in case a launch goes bad, as it happened with Challenger ?
Yeah my empty space included downrange as well.
France is downrange of Cornwall. It'll be 'raight.
Exactly. I'm a bit puzzled by that. I thought that was the reason the EU launches happen in the French Guiana, there's the whole Atlantic ocean downrange from it. The same with the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Downrange of Boca Chica, TX there's the whole of the Gulf of Mexico.
UK has a lot of overseas territories, can't they find a safer place for a spaceport?
UK has a lot of overseas territories, can't they find a safer place for a spaceport?
Usually space ports can not hit all orbits. Some of them are target only to fly polar orbits, launching north.
I think one of the big benefits of French Guiana is that it is closer to the equator which means that it takes less fuel (aka money) to reach space.
> signed a partnership deal with Hong Kong Aerospace Technology to build a facility to launch satellites and rockets in the northern Obock region.
Yeah, sure. In 5 years we will know if it worked out and how the debts can't be repaid.
I'm wondering what will be asked in return... => One road one belt debt trap, all over again.
Luckily, Africa can repay China with natural resources or ports... In case of Djibouti ( where this will be build), it's the main ship access to the Indian ocean.
And the deal seems to be 25% of their GDP in 2018. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djibouti
What a coincidence.
Edit: but let's hope for the best. Since it's more than 1 country participating in it. I have my doubts though, let's hope I'm wrong.
Yeah, sure. In 5 years we will know if it worked out and how the debts can't be repaid.
I'm wondering what will be asked in return... => One road one belt debt trap, all over again.
Luckily, Africa can repay China with natural resources or ports... In case of Djibouti ( where this will be build), it's the main ship access to the Indian ocean.
And the deal seems to be 25% of their GDP in 2018. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djibouti
What a coincidence.
Edit: but let's hope for the best. Since it's more than 1 country participating in it. I have my doubts though, let's hope I'm wrong.
Getting something in return for trading something is not a 'trap'. Here's what actual Africans think about China:
https://www.quora.com/Do-Africans-dislike-Chinese/answer/Jea...
https://www.quora.com/Is-China-colonizing-Africa/answer/Anth...
'A trap' is what the Anglosaxon financial establishment did to my country: Forced us to privatize our national assets to starve our government of GDP so that the government will fall deeper in debt. Which is why that's called a 'trap' because you cant get out of it. So much that the government was totally deprived of revenue in merely a decade after having been forced to privatize all national assets through 'free market'. Then this was used to force the government to destroy labor protections and business regulations to 'boost the market', turning the economy and the society to scorched earth. But foreign investment did excellent in this environment, especially corporations located in the US and its satellites.
There is no such thing in any deals with China. It does not intervene in any country or its governance when making deals. You trade. You sign a deal to trade them X amount of minerals. They sign to give you whatever you want. That's it. No other conditions attached. They don't even make any commentary about your economy, leave aside your ideology, your system or how you should be doing things. That's why all the countries prefer China and BRICS instead of the US and its satellites now.
What's appalling is that how the very financial establishment that has been made famous as the 'economic hitmen' smears other countries of what it has always been doing and people like you repeat it without putting any critical thought into the process. No wonder you people are still paying for Iraq War Debt.
https://www.quora.com/Do-Africans-dislike-Chinese/answer/Jea...
https://www.quora.com/Is-China-colonizing-Africa/answer/Anth...
'A trap' is what the Anglosaxon financial establishment did to my country: Forced us to privatize our national assets to starve our government of GDP so that the government will fall deeper in debt. Which is why that's called a 'trap' because you cant get out of it. So much that the government was totally deprived of revenue in merely a decade after having been forced to privatize all national assets through 'free market'. Then this was used to force the government to destroy labor protections and business regulations to 'boost the market', turning the economy and the society to scorched earth. But foreign investment did excellent in this environment, especially corporations located in the US and its satellites.
There is no such thing in any deals with China. It does not intervene in any country or its governance when making deals. You trade. You sign a deal to trade them X amount of minerals. They sign to give you whatever you want. That's it. No other conditions attached. They don't even make any commentary about your economy, leave aside your ideology, your system or how you should be doing things. That's why all the countries prefer China and BRICS instead of the US and its satellites now.
What's appalling is that how the very financial establishment that has been made famous as the 'economic hitmen' smears other countries of what it has always been doing and people like you repeat it without putting any critical thought into the process. No wonder you people are still paying for Iraq War Debt.
>You sign a deal to trade them X amount of minerals.
The sharp end here is what happens if you don't come up with the minerals.
The sharp end here is what happens if you don't come up with the minerals.
They stop giving you whatever you traded the minerals for. How is that even an argument. In what world you stop providing your end of a trade bargain and the other side keeps giving you what they were trading for. Sounds crazy.
What if they paid in advance?
What if none of those nonsensical hypotheticals did not happen.
I was referring of course to the hypothetical of the United States making deals to purchase minerals, paying in advance, then subjecting the countries in question to humiliating financial consequences when they can't deliver.
There are many cases of the US literally walking back on its word or unilaterally canceling deals because it could. It even cancelled its sovereign debt that it had to other countries a few times in history. The countries used to take it because they had to. Which precisely why the global south now prefers China, Russia, Brazil, India and the entire new bloc around BRICS, SCO etc:
They don't have to tolerate anything with China or Russia. When a deal is broken by a country, these two countries just stop doing business with that other country until some agreement is reached. Its simple business/trade. So much that China avoids even saying things that could be interpreted as commentaries on other countries' policies, the way to do things or their culture. Ending up in very dry press releases.
They don't have to tolerate anything with China or Russia. When a deal is broken by a country, these two countries just stop doing business with that other country until some agreement is reached. Its simple business/trade. So much that China avoids even saying things that could be interpreted as commentaries on other countries' policies, the way to do things or their culture. Ending up in very dry press releases.
> things that could be interpreted as commentaries on other countries' policies, the way to do things or their culture
Rofl.
That's pretty much the only thing China is actually doing.
It's just constantly attacking the west instead of others in trying to spread hate.
Just look up any translations of Chinese media ( eg. Weibo ) or any Chinese government official.
Rofl.
That's pretty much the only thing China is actually doing.
It's just constantly attacking the west instead of others in trying to spread hate.
Just look up any translations of Chinese media ( eg. Weibo ) or any Chinese government official.
> That's pretty much the only thing China is actually doing.
Its not. Dont make up nonsense. The US is the only exception. Two years ago the Chinese state finally learned that keeping civilized discourse and refraining from calling out bullsht does not prevent the US from lying about them. Hence the US is the only country for which they are actually calling out its doublespeak.
I still think that they are acting way too civilized and reserved to be able to cope up with never-ending US sht slinging and lying.
Its not. Dont make up nonsense. The US is the only exception. Two years ago the Chinese state finally learned that keeping civilized discourse and refraining from calling out bullsht does not prevent the US from lying about them. Hence the US is the only country for which they are actually calling out its doublespeak.
I still think that they are acting way too civilized and reserved to be able to cope up with never-ending US sht slinging and lying.
>They don't have to tolerate anything with China or Russia.
Of course, China and Russia are such bit players that contracts can be broken with them at will.
Of course, China and Russia are such bit players that contracts can be broken with them at will.
Both are true, both are traps. Eventually all the countries in extreme debt to China will be forced to vassalize. BRICs is dead, sorry. Two of these are nearly at war with each other every few months.
We should be able to consider that one thing being bad does not negate another thing from being bad. It is true that the US has been the big bad for a while now, but two can play at that game, it seems
We should be able to consider that one thing being bad does not negate another thing from being bad. It is true that the US has been the big bad for a while now, but two can play at that game, it seems
BRICS future under China is similar to North Korea.
Totally dependent on China...
Totally dependent on China...
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Let's come back when they actually launch something
Similar complains were made when ISRO was founded back in 1969. Your people cannot feed themselves so why the aspirations to go to the stars? But today it's quite successful and a value for money space agency compared to the relatively bloated NASA and ESA
ISRO is an organization. This is just infrastructure with no organization behind it with a space program? ISRO is very impressive value for money, however India is one of the largest economies in the world. Djibouti is a country of 1.1 million people.
I'm guessing mostly eastward equatorial orbit launches, because pretty much anything else will result in boosters falling on someone's backyard...
That's the most delta-v efficient launch path for any orbit that isn't at some sort of extreme inclination so it makes sense.
Can't wait for the jokes when a penis-shaped object is erected in ya'booty.
It is not clear who will be paying for this, assistance to build as in expensive loans and building companies to be paid by said loans? There are pleny of high-profile projects like this that end up abandoned and the owner/operator in extreme debt.
Is it unreasonable to think that they are hoping for Chinese investors?
Not at all, if it were investors who want a return on the profits. However, many (all?) projects are financed with (expensive) debt, so poor countries end up with debts they cannot repay and 'vanity' projects they could do without. Some analysts worry that countries end up in a debt trap.
I would love it if this is turns out a healthy project for the benefit of all, but I remain skeptical.
I would love it if this is turns out a healthy project for the benefit of all, but I remain skeptical.
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I say "new" because it was an existing, disused, runway.
I say "$1Bn" because no one has actually spent that, it's just the "value" in the government press release.
I say "spaceport" because it turns out any large open space with some concrete can be a spaceport if you want.