What happens to all the dead electric-car batteries?(sciencemag.org)
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What happens to all the dead electric-car batteries?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/05/millions-electric-cars-are-coming-what-happens-all-dead-batteries
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Bloomberg did a great QuickTake on electric car battery recycling: https://youtu.be/xtVE1I1SoRw
1. Use them for energy storage 2. Automated battery recycling 3. Use recovered materials to make new batteries
1. Use them for energy storage 2. Automated battery recycling 3. Use recovered materials to make new batteries
Without charging the creators of products the total cost to create and dispose of the product the incentives are always wrong.
Charge oil companies for the cost of removing their product from the atmosphere after it's been burnt, and charge battery companies the cost of mining pollution and recycling
Charge oil companies for the cost of removing their product from the atmosphere after it's been burnt, and charge battery companies the cost of mining pollution and recycling
So long as recycling is cheaper than creating new products, this problem should take care of itself.
The environmental problem seems worse for products that are cheaper and easier to produce from scratch, than to recycle.
The gigafactories that pop up around the world right now contain recycling lines to feed the battery production.
The environmental problem seems worse for products that are cheaper and easier to produce from scratch, than to recycle.
The gigafactories that pop up around the world right now contain recycling lines to feed the battery production.
Is lithium valuable?
Is Cobalt valuable?
Is Nickel valuable?
Can a car battery be repackaged/refurbished to home energy storage?
Can a car battery be repackaged/refurbished to appliances like lawnmowers and snowblowers and power tools?
This is almost as dumb a headline as "what will we do with all the windmill blades?"
Meanwhile, there exists something called "mountaintop removal" in coal.
Is Cobalt valuable?
Is Nickel valuable?
Can a car battery be repackaged/refurbished to home energy storage?
Can a car battery be repackaged/refurbished to appliances like lawnmowers and snowblowers and power tools?
This is almost as dumb a headline as "what will we do with all the windmill blades?"
Meanwhile, there exists something called "mountaintop removal" in coal.
At Tesla's battery day they said they plan to recycle their own batteries, claiming it's a lot easier if you're only recycling one kind of battery.
That seems to fit well with what the article described as ideal: "direct recycling, which would keep the cathode mixture intact." I guess Tesla would have to remove their "indestructible polyurethane cement that holds [the cells] together."
That seems to fit well with what the article described as ideal: "direct recycling, which would keep the cathode mixture intact." I guess Tesla would have to remove their "indestructible polyurethane cement that holds [the cells] together."
According to northvolt 50 procent of the cathode material is going to be reused to make new cells and the bigger issue is that there isn't going to be enough spent batteries to recycle.
https://northvolt.com/newsroom/Announcing-Revolt
https://northvolt.com/newsroom/Announcing-Revolt
Is the view that this is a problem from memories of lead acid batteries in combustion vehicles? I might be ignorant but I can't see lithium batteries being a big problem
They should be plugged into the grid to reduce our risk of an EMP (more likely from the sun) killing 90% of us.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/new-em...
Nature is periodic, take it seriously: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/new-em...
Nature is periodic, take it seriously: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event
I tell you what happens, like other electrical components:
1. Batteries ripped out of cars
2. Sold to "unscrupulous" scrap dealers
3. Put on boats to Phillipines or West Africa
4. Crushed and pounded with a rock by a 10 year old child, then burned in a rudimentary smelter to separate metals from plastics.
5. Extracted metals bought by middlemen
6. Metals certified as being safely mined/sourced
7. Re-manufactured into a car battery
Battery powered cars are going to be the next disaster, after the fibre glass disposal scandal of wind farms.
I'll keep my very efficient Audi diesel car (79g/km CO2) for now thanks.
1. Batteries ripped out of cars
2. Sold to "unscrupulous" scrap dealers
3. Put on boats to Phillipines or West Africa
4. Crushed and pounded with a rock by a 10 year old child, then burned in a rudimentary smelter to separate metals from plastics.
5. Extracted metals bought by middlemen
6. Metals certified as being safely mined/sourced
7. Re-manufactured into a car battery
Battery powered cars are going to be the next disaster, after the fibre glass disposal scandal of wind farms.
I'll keep my very efficient Audi diesel car (79g/km CO2) for now thanks.
I think there is money in using modern robotics for automatic recycling of batteries. There are millions of cars but probably only hundreds of battery module types in the coming decades. So certifying a recycling algorithm for a new module type shouldn't be a difficult task, and wouldn't require retooling.
I wonder what happens to the used car market. When the battery is pretty much borked a used car is of no use. And replacing the battery would be way too expensive for many people who rely on used cars.
Just require manufacturers to recycle their own batteries. Quickly their designs will change to make it easier/cheaper for them, and you won’t need a 1-size-fits-all design via legislation.
These batteries are lasting longer than thought.
Sure, the wealthy boys will swap out for the best cells, but most of us will ride until it dies.
I have a feeling this might not be the problem we are expecting.
Sure, the wealthy boys will swap out for the best cells, but most of us will ride until it dies.
I have a feeling this might not be the problem we are expecting.
Is there a good scientific/safety reason for which Tesla's batteries are held together by polyurethane cement, as opposed to something easier to deal with?
Also what happens to the millions of petrol cars? They won't just disappear, and won't be usable for many spare parts.
The same place they send those all those unused cruise ships to.
Fascinating how they beach it and then those poor Bangladeshi's/Indians descend on it like a bunch of ants armed with only the most rudimentary tools like acetylene torches and front end loaders.
Stripping it like a dead animal until nothing remains.
Fascinating how they beach it and then those poor Bangladeshi's/Indians descend on it like a bunch of ants armed with only the most rudimentary tools like acetylene torches and front end loaders.
Stripping it like a dead animal until nothing remains.
Hydrovolt is establishing a ((...)) battery recycling hub in Norway, laying the foundations for a circular supply chain for electric car batteries in Europe.
https://hydrovolt.com/
https://hydrovolt.com/
They get recycled. Next question, and thanks for the scaremongering of a technology that irrefutably is better for the environment than the way we're currently collectively shitting all over it (ICE vehicles).
Hopefully more companies like https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/batteries-storage/lithiumio... will get a big boost and recycling will take over a good portion of the source for battery materials.
And of course, reduction: investments in public infrastructure and pedestrian-based city design to reduce the need for individual ownership and the total number of cars overall.
And of course, reduction: investments in public infrastructure and pedestrian-based city design to reduce the need for individual ownership and the total number of cars overall.
Why not simply plant more trees while work from home for the majority? Indeed, a similar question was asked to Elon Musk a few weeks ago, he did not have a good answer to it to promote EV.
There's an upside though: millions of combustion engine powered cars are also going, and enclosing depleted batteries remains in leak proof tanks after recycling materials seems a lot easier than doing the same with combustion engines byproducts.
I don't want to sound too optimistic, as there always will be shady figures trying to profit from illegal dumps, but with proper regulation and enforcement it doesn't look like a bad deal to me.
Tbh I didn't read the article. There are operations running in Germany with recycling pods crushing batteries (powered by remain charge on other to be recycled batteries) and separating material. It was on YouTube one or two years ago. I don't know how things are evolving but it's pretty smooth already (even if scaling issue occur, its already running).
Could not a lot of these degraded batteries be moved into stationary power applications?
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Where are the articles asking these questions about ICE engines? Ever driven by a scrap yard?
They get recycled? So much negativity here it's unreal, almost like there is an agenda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLr0GStrnwQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLr0GStrnwQ
Unfortunately I’m not surprised the article fails to mention him.