Is it just me or did Kelly Ellis disappear from the front page?
What should I make of this? A complicit culture of silence? I feel sick, uneasy, and confused.
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I don't think "complicit culture of silence" is quite right as it implies more direct intent. It's more along the lines of "inability to have a difficult conversation".
My personal stance is that even though this conversation is difficult, it's worth having. If we can't have it, who can?
My personal stance is that even though this conversation is difficult, it's worth having. If we can't have it, who can?
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I expected to see ongoing discussion about it today, instead this is the only post I'm seeing.
Who is Kelly Ellis?
https://twitter.com/justkelly_ok
Her pinned tweet gives a pretty good indication of what's going on.
Her pinned tweet gives a pretty good indication of what's going on.
HN penalizes stories with more comments than votes ("flame war detector"). Between that and the inevitable flagging, stories about sexism and/or workplace harassment tend to die quickly on HN.
Yes, in my experience, this is the most likely reason that this article disappeared.
I have a hard time deciding if this is a good policy or not.
On the one hand, it does tend to mean that there are fewer flamewars showing up on the front page, and getting people sucked into endless debates that go nowhere.
On the other hand, I feel like this works to sweep under the rug real problems that occur in this community. Rather than being able to expose and deal with such problems, once things become contentious they just disappear, leaving only the things that the community has more consensus on.
I have a hard time deciding if this is a good policy or not.
On the one hand, it does tend to mean that there are fewer flamewars showing up on the front page, and getting people sucked into endless debates that go nowhere.
On the other hand, I feel like this works to sweep under the rug real problems that occur in this community. Rather than being able to expose and deal with such problems, once things become contentious they just disappear, leaving only the things that the community has more consensus on.
are you talking about https://twitter.com/justkelly_ok ?
It appears to have been renamed to "Why didn't you back me up?"
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9163309
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9163309
Although I don't know Kelly Ellis, I believe this is in reference to this: https://plus.google.com/+KellyEllis/posts/L4wawXpNt25 -- I am not actually trying to express an opinion on this, but that's the context from yesterday.
This will probably dissappear from the front page too. HN is biased strongly against meta posts.
If that happens, that would tragically mirror the tech world's distaste for open and honest discussion of the issues women face in tech.
If that happens, that would tragically mirror the tech world's distaste for open and honest discussion of the issues women face in tech.
The story was on the front page for many hours yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9163309.
It was reposted today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9165261. We would normally demote that as a duplicate, but we didn't. Users flagged it.
It was reposted today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9165261. We would normally demote that as a duplicate, but we didn't. Users flagged it.
Those are two different stories. IMO, the second one is much preferable, as it's an actual story, instead of just a 50-or-so-word G+ and Twitter post. I don't see why it should be considered a duplicate, though I guess if users flagged it, most of them disagreed.
They aren't two different stories by the standards that normally apply on HN. They're about the same thing.
It's true that the SF Weekly article gave more background than the Google+ post, but it was linked in yesterday's thread and the information in it was discussed there.
It's true that the SF Weekly article gave more background than the Google+ post, but it was linked in yesterday's thread and the information in it was discussed there.
> A complicit culture of silence? I feel sick, uneasy, and confused.
jesus, get the story right before jumping to conclusions
jesus, get the story right before jumping to conclusions