The God Who Peter Molyneux Forgot(eurogamer.net)
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The God Who Peter Molyneux Forgot
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-02-11-the-god-who-peter-molyneux-forgot
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Should HN listings correct bad grammar in article titles? ;-)
At this point in time, I believe using who or whom is a stylistic choice. It has long been accepted to use "who" in this context.
So, if actual correct grammar doesn't matter any more, then I suppose everything is a "stylistic choice"?
Don't spread grammatical urban legends. "Who" and "whom" are both perfectly correct here, and I dare you to find a reliable source that says "who" isn't allowed.
Reader's Digest, your grade-school teacher, and anything written before lingustics was a science do not count as reliable sources for this purpose.
Reader's Digest, your grade-school teacher, and anything written before lingustics was a science do not count as reliable sources for this purpose.
I'm not much of a stickler for grammar, and I don't particularly care. I'd be happy if "whom" died off.
However, it's still taught in school, in college, and in any modern grammar book. It's clearly coming up on the cusp of disappearing, but it certainly hasn't been written out of the books just yet, and I'm not sure why you're pretending that it has been. This sort of mistake would have been corrected in basically every English class I ever took in the last five years. It would have been corrected not just by the professor, but also by a majority of peers if peer grading was utilized.
My rule of thumb is to basically never use "whom" in speech and to conditionally use it in writing, depending on the context and how formal it is. I'll generally use it correctly when writing posts like this on the internet as well, but anything less formal and I won't care. I feel like the threshold of minimum formality to justify using it is always rising, and perhaps in the next decade we'll see that threshold rise up above the level of formality of, say, a paper for a literature class. But that definitely hasn't happened yet.
This reflects my general belief that grammar is a spectrum. It's less about the mindless application of rules and more about pattern recognition. Rules of grammar are best understood as being part of a context, and that context is not just the rest of the sentence or paragraph; it includes the social context as well, the mode of communication (written, verbal, etc.), and basically everything else you could think of. My description above is an example of how one rule -- that rule pertaining to the usage of "whom" -- morphs according to context.
To summarize, grammar is the art of satisfying two constraints simultaneously: (1) making sure nobody else thinks you've made a mistake; (2) making sure your efforts at (1) aren't going to distract people.
(1) could be seen as maximizing acceptance of your grammatical decisions, and (2) could be seen as minimizing social offense. "whom" is a great example, because in certain contexts people might recognize it as correct but they'll think you're only using it because you're trying to show off how smart you are. You've unnecessarily distracted them by using it, which violates (2).
However, it's still taught in school, in college, and in any modern grammar book. It's clearly coming up on the cusp of disappearing, but it certainly hasn't been written out of the books just yet, and I'm not sure why you're pretending that it has been. This sort of mistake would have been corrected in basically every English class I ever took in the last five years. It would have been corrected not just by the professor, but also by a majority of peers if peer grading was utilized.
My rule of thumb is to basically never use "whom" in speech and to conditionally use it in writing, depending on the context and how formal it is. I'll generally use it correctly when writing posts like this on the internet as well, but anything less formal and I won't care. I feel like the threshold of minimum formality to justify using it is always rising, and perhaps in the next decade we'll see that threshold rise up above the level of formality of, say, a paper for a literature class. But that definitely hasn't happened yet.
This reflects my general belief that grammar is a spectrum. It's less about the mindless application of rules and more about pattern recognition. Rules of grammar are best understood as being part of a context, and that context is not just the rest of the sentence or paragraph; it includes the social context as well, the mode of communication (written, verbal, etc.), and basically everything else you could think of. My description above is an example of how one rule -- that rule pertaining to the usage of "whom" -- morphs according to context.
To summarize, grammar is the art of satisfying two constraints simultaneously: (1) making sure nobody else thinks you've made a mistake; (2) making sure your efforts at (1) aren't going to distract people.
(1) could be seen as maximizing acceptance of your grammatical decisions, and (2) could be seen as minimizing social offense. "whom" is a great example, because in certain contexts people might recognize it as correct but they'll think you're only using it because you're trying to show off how smart you are. You've unnecessarily distracted them by using it, which violates (2).
I'm not pretending anything. I'm not saying you shouldn't use "whom". You have a reasonable view of different registers, except for the part where you believe that "whom" has to "die off" before "who" can be fully correct in this usage, or that "who" is any kind of mistake.
The words are just both correct. Some people like to argue from authority that there's some rule against using "who" there, except -- as is the case for many prescriptive bogeymen -- the supposed authority actually doesn't exist at all.
Ask anyone who scientifically studies the actual English language for a living -- fenomas's comment links to a good source at Cambridge, which is very well reputed in linguistics -- and they will not cast a single bit of doubt on using "who" to introduce a relative clause. Everyone uses it, including very good writers.
It's easy to caricature linguists as always saying "as long as you can be understood, anything goes". And that's unfortunate -- nobody here would put up with misunderstanding and making fun of the work biologists do, for example, but for some reason everyone thinks that being literate makes them qualified to disagree with linguists.
There are linguists who make recommendations about not just how to be understood but how to write well, based on lots of study and observation on how people use language in all registers, and if you're looking for an authority you should be looking to them. If you do look -- I'll point at fenomas's comment again, because he's the only one who actually linked a source -- you'll find they don't support your position.
It's too bad you took a lot of English classes that wasted time on correcting this word. (Editing out a harsh and hasty conclusion I came to about your English professors here.) If I assume the best of them, I'll say it was a pedagogical exercise. Sometimes it's important to distinguish different cases. This isn't a situation where you have to distinguish cases in English, but you can.
So maybe your classes told you to use "whom" there kind of like a class in object-oriented programming might tell you to create a "class Rabbit" that inherits from "class Animal" -- as a way of showing that you understand the concept, not as something that you'd actually have to do in the real world.
The words are just both correct. Some people like to argue from authority that there's some rule against using "who" there, except -- as is the case for many prescriptive bogeymen -- the supposed authority actually doesn't exist at all.
Ask anyone who scientifically studies the actual English language for a living -- fenomas's comment links to a good source at Cambridge, which is very well reputed in linguistics -- and they will not cast a single bit of doubt on using "who" to introduce a relative clause. Everyone uses it, including very good writers.
It's easy to caricature linguists as always saying "as long as you can be understood, anything goes". And that's unfortunate -- nobody here would put up with misunderstanding and making fun of the work biologists do, for example, but for some reason everyone thinks that being literate makes them qualified to disagree with linguists.
There are linguists who make recommendations about not just how to be understood but how to write well, based on lots of study and observation on how people use language in all registers, and if you're looking for an authority you should be looking to them. If you do look -- I'll point at fenomas's comment again, because he's the only one who actually linked a source -- you'll find they don't support your position.
It's too bad you took a lot of English classes that wasted time on correcting this word. (Editing out a harsh and hasty conclusion I came to about your English professors here.) If I assume the best of them, I'll say it was a pedagogical exercise. Sometimes it's important to distinguish different cases. This isn't a situation where you have to distinguish cases in English, but you can.
So maybe your classes told you to use "whom" there kind of like a class in object-oriented programming might tell you to create a "class Rabbit" that inherits from "class Animal" -- as a way of showing that you understand the concept, not as something that you'd actually have to do in the real world.
My apologies, I learned something about relative clauses today. I still like my general theory that I posted but I accept that I was simply wrong about this particular case.
English is defined by usage. "Actual correct grammar" is what people actually use.
While I tend to use whom, dative forms in most non-German Germanic languages have been on life support for longer than most of us have been alive.
While I tend to use whom, dative forms in most non-German Germanic languages have been on life support for longer than most of us have been alive.
If your audience understands your message, then language is doing its job.
Rule of thumb: people who use whom are trying to sound clever.
Not always. In this case, they'd be using correct grammar as it was used for quite some time (centuries?).
Of course, there are cases where people use a false whom because it sounds more sophisticated, but this isn't one of them.
Of course, there are cases where people use a false whom because it sounds more sophisticated, but this isn't one of them.
Alan Partridge Interviews Child Prodigy Simon Fisher
Taken from the BBC Radio 4 Series "Knowing me, Knowing You."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdZtM3_Lcy4
Taken from the BBC Radio 4 Series "Knowing me, Knowing You."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdZtM3_Lcy4
I don't think "whom" is needed here, if that's what you mean. The object of "forgot" is "God"; "who" is acting as a relative pronoun.
(I'd argue "The God that Peter Molyneux Forgot" would sound more natural, though..)
(I'd argue "The God that Peter Molyneux Forgot" would sound more natural, though..)
Peter Molyneux forgot whom? The God.
Nope. "Who" in the headline is used as a relative pronoun, which is considered correct even when it is the object of the relative clause.
Who can act as the subject or the object of the relative clause:
The woman *who* I saw yesterday was Sheila.
(who refers to the woman and is the object of saw in the relative clause)
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Crowfunding not delivering seems to be a fairly standard thing. What are the advantages of overdelivering?
Overdelivering is a subjective aspect when games are involved. I would image that the developers of crowdfunded games like FTL and Shovel Knight would be able to do whatever they want with the revenues they generated.
Molyneux has a personal brand that he has damaged through this kickstarter. If you don't consider your reputation to be valuable, it soon won't be.
The issue is that Molyneux has had his personal brand tarnished for awhile (Fable + Project Milo), but he still received reputation and respect.
Getting to crowd-fund again.
Sharing your passion with the world.
Personal accomplishment and pride.
Sharing your passion with the world.
Personal accomplishment and pride.
Having sales of your product after the Kickstarter delivers? Doesn't apply to all Kickstarter projects, but any of the bring-an-early-product-to-release ones will benefit from positive word of mouth.
"Peter Molyneux breaks promise about how awesome something he's making will be. Film at 11."
Don't miss our followup report this Sunday, "Companies that are under no obligation to do something that will cost them money have a tendency to not do that thing."
Surely they are under an obligation, since these game features were goals and promises on their kickstarter campaign. Kickstarters are contractually obliged to deliver on their promises.
Unfulfilled promises since 2001.
Because he's not satisfied...
...until you're not satisfied.
...until you're not satisfied.
I remember being excited in 1993 when PC Format started a "Learn to program C with Bullfrog!" column. There were I think two columns out of a promised series, the source code provided (which was supposed to animate the sprites from Syndicate) didn't work, and then the series mysteriously disappeared.
He also did some great games in the 90s (and the 80s - Populous is my favourite, released in '89), so I was also unaware of the repeating pattern until Black & White.
He also did some great games in the 90s (and the 80s - Populous is my favourite, released in '89), so I was also unaware of the repeating pattern until Black & White.
Peter Molyneux unfulfilled promises are a running gag. He is really good at PR and has a charming personality so he gets away with it. He fails to deliver since Black & White 1 (2001).
It's worth noting that it's highly likely that Curiosity itself was rigged; infinite layers of the cube, until the marketing died down. (http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/1/4287428/curiosity-ending-22c... )
It's also worth noting that startups do exactly similar tactics with waitlists. (what, you really think 100,000 people would be willing to join a wait list for a random startup with no publicity?)
It's also worth noting that startups do exactly similar tactics with waitlists. (what, you really think 100,000 people would be willing to join a wait list for a random startup with no publicity?)
> what, you really think 100,000 people would be willing to join a wait list for a random startup with no publicity?
Anything specific you're referring to?
Anything specific you're referring to?
It mostly started happening after Mailbox's waitlist of hundreds of thousands and subsequent buyout from Dropbox during the wait list period.
I saw this article this morning and it made me raise my eyebrows: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-league-app-has-a-75000-pe...
A waitlist isn't inherently impossible for startups; I'd expect a few hundred at most, but 75,000?
EDIT: All email clients have the same name. :p
I saw this article this morning and it made me raise my eyebrows: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-league-app-has-a-75000-pe...
A waitlist isn't inherently impossible for startups; I'd expect a few hundred at most, but 75,000?
EDIT: All email clients have the same name. :p
You meant Mailbox, though Google's Inbox followed with that waiting line model.
So this is a non-story. The royalty was based around a feature the company hasn't been able to deliver and was not contractually obligated to by any time. The kid doesn't seem particularly upset, and while it's not heartwarming, there doesn't seem to be any wrongdoing anywhere (other than etiquette-wise for the studio staying in touch more frequently... and perhaps they didn't want to spill dirty laundry about execution/financial issues to a contest winning teenager).
edit: Surprised by the negative reaction to this post. At least 5 downvotes altogether. I'm not endorsing Monyneux's actions in any way. I'm just saying that it's obvious what happened. They promised royalties on a product they failed to deliver for business and technical reasons. Now they are pivoting to a new game to try to stay in business.
They should have owned up to it, and given the kid an apology, a check for 1000 GBP, and modelled a character in "The Trail" as damage control.
edit: Surprised by the negative reaction to this post. At least 5 downvotes altogether. I'm not endorsing Monyneux's actions in any way. I'm just saying that it's obvious what happened. They promised royalties on a product they failed to deliver for business and technical reasons. Now they are pivoting to a new game to try to stay in business.
They should have owned up to it, and given the kid an apology, a check for 1000 GBP, and modelled a character in "The Trail" as damage control.
I think it's a story because of Molyneux. Peter Molyneux has failed to deliver completely for a long time.
With Godus, with Curiosity, it increasingly seems as though he failed to deliver even a finished game and in addition it seems as though he failed to even try.
For many gamers, it's the end of the final shred of Molyneux's respectability. People may snark about it, "Oh, what a surprise", but this was his last chance.
The royalty (or at least some prize) formed part of a concept that was at the heart of Curiosity - some grand, real, reward that justified all the cow-clicking nonsense. As such, it was an essential part of the game that people played. Meanwhile, Godus continues to languish without the promised features.
Comparing him with Shyamalan, this would be his Last Airbender. Not earth-shattering news that he messed it up completely, but final confirmation that his talent - if he ever had it - seems to have deserted him.
With Godus, with Curiosity, it increasingly seems as though he failed to deliver even a finished game and in addition it seems as though he failed to even try.
For many gamers, it's the end of the final shred of Molyneux's respectability. People may snark about it, "Oh, what a surprise", but this was his last chance.
The royalty (or at least some prize) formed part of a concept that was at the heart of Curiosity - some grand, real, reward that justified all the cow-clicking nonsense. As such, it was an essential part of the game that people played. Meanwhile, Godus continues to languish without the promised features.
Comparing him with Shyamalan, this would be his Last Airbender. Not earth-shattering news that he messed it up completely, but final confirmation that his talent - if he ever had it - seems to have deserted him.
That's harsh. Molyneux has done incredible work in the past. He played a part in Populous, Syndicate, Dungeon Keeper, and Black & White. All of those games were ground breaking.
Peter Molyneux's greatest strength is also his greatest weakness: he's incredibly creative and ambitious. He aims very high, often a little beyond his reach. Frankly, that's what we should all be doing. I don't quite remember the quote, or the person who said it, but it went something like, "If you're not failing the majority of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
I'd rather play a game that was trying to be incredible but fell just short, rather than a game that aimed to be passable and hit the mark. Maybe that's what bugs me about Curiosity and Godus; these aren't the big, ambitious games I've grown accustomed to from Molyneux.
Peter Molyneux's greatest strength is also his greatest weakness: he's incredibly creative and ambitious. He aims very high, often a little beyond his reach. Frankly, that's what we should all be doing. I don't quite remember the quote, or the person who said it, but it went something like, "If you're not failing the majority of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
I'd rather play a game that was trying to be incredible but fell just short, rather than a game that aimed to be passable and hit the mark. Maybe that's what bugs me about Curiosity and Godus; these aren't the big, ambitious games I've grown accustomed to from Molyneux.
He aims very high, often a little beyond his reach.
The problem is that you used the word 'often' instead of 'consistently', which has been the case for the past 15 years. Black & White was the beginning of the end and the pattern for 21st Century Molyneux: promise the world, get bored, fail to deliver. At a shallow level, B&W looked great, but it was terrible as a game and an experience; both tedious and failing to deliver on promised complexity. That trend continues all the way to Godus.
It's not like he's hit-and-miss, and a few failures are okay as long as you have some hits mixed in. It's that the first half of his career was consistently hit, and the second half consistently miss.
The problem is that you used the word 'often' instead of 'consistently', which has been the case for the past 15 years. Black & White was the beginning of the end and the pattern for 21st Century Molyneux: promise the world, get bored, fail to deliver. At a shallow level, B&W looked great, but it was terrible as a game and an experience; both tedious and failing to deliver on promised complexity. That trend continues all the way to Godus.
It's not like he's hit-and-miss, and a few failures are okay as long as you have some hits mixed in. It's that the first half of his career was consistently hit, and the second half consistently miss.
After recently reading "Masters of Doom" (not sure how I went so long without reading it) this reminds me a lot of similar stories about the id guys and particularly Romero. So many creative, ambitious people get involved in the production of games and other digital art but so often they run into the limitations of time, budget, and project management. To get the money, you need to hype the hell out of a project (Daikatana?) but even if you get the investment, it's rarely enough to actually get the right people together and actually build something within the amount of time the market demands.
I'd imagine the same thing goes for films as well. Start with an incredibly ambitious concept only to find that you need to hype the hell out of it in order to get the necessary investment. But then with outside investment comes the requirement that the finished product be released within a certain timeframe and meet certain expectations in terms of profits generated. It's no wonder that for all of the talented and dedicated artists out there (in games or film), the majority of what gets released is either disappointing, unoriginal, or at best, pretty damn good...but rarely mindblowing or something that elevates the entire state of the art.
I'd imagine the same thing goes for films as well. Start with an incredibly ambitious concept only to find that you need to hype the hell out of it in order to get the necessary investment. But then with outside investment comes the requirement that the finished product be released within a certain timeframe and meet certain expectations in terms of profits generated. It's no wonder that for all of the talented and dedicated artists out there (in games or film), the majority of what gets released is either disappointing, unoriginal, or at best, pretty damn good...but rarely mindblowing or something that elevates the entire state of the art.
> I'd rather play a game that was trying to be incredible but fell just short, rather than a game that aimed to be passable and hit the mark.
I think that's an erroneous belief when it comes to games. Many games are complete failures because of the fact that they attempted to cram too much into the design.
Many of the best games take a core concept that's fun and refine it, polish it until it's gleaming. Only then do they add some small things off that core gameplay to flavor the experience. The shotgun approach of throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks is a great way to either release a buggy, unfun mess (if you're lucky) or burn through your capital, goodwill, and development team before cancelling the project (if you're unlucky).
I think that's an erroneous belief when it comes to games. Many games are complete failures because of the fact that they attempted to cram too much into the design.
Many of the best games take a core concept that's fun and refine it, polish it until it's gleaming. Only then do they add some small things off that core gameplay to flavor the experience. The shotgun approach of throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks is a great way to either release a buggy, unfun mess (if you're lucky) or burn through your capital, goodwill, and development team before cancelling the project (if you're unlucky).
I don't disagree with you, but I was just googling the first three games you mentioned -- which I happen to agree are great games -- and I see that Syndicate, my absolute favorite, wasn't designed by Molyneux but by someone named Sean Cooper. Is it a coincidence that it's also not a God/sandbox game?
Black & White was ground breaking but it was such a disappointment to me that I wouldn't include it in any list of great games...
Black & White was ground breaking but it was such a disappointment to me that I wouldn't include it in any list of great games...
I think this is vastly overstating the importance of respect for a developer. What it comes down to is if he released a respectable game tomorrow, it would sell.
Despicable acts by game companies are nothing new, yet gamers continue to buy the games in droves. Ubisoft is a great example.
All that matters is if a game is good or not. If the game is terrible then good karma or a massive marketing budget can win you sales but overall having a fun game is the most important factor imho.
Despicable acts by game companies are nothing new, yet gamers continue to buy the games in droves. Ubisoft is a great example.
All that matters is if a game is good or not. If the game is terrible then good karma or a massive marketing budget can win you sales but overall having a fun game is the most important factor imho.
> if he released a respectable game tomorrow, it would sell.
If it's already made, sure. But if he needs funds to finish it and tries crowdfunding, this may bite him pretty hard.
If it's already made, sure. But if he needs funds to finish it and tries crowdfunding, this may bite him pretty hard.
I think this story is more about how hype on the Internet works more than anything else. When I first saw the Curiosity announcement, and then spent 20 minutes (not much more) playing the game, I was really intrigued by just what was happening. For it to have fizzled and turned into your typical Molyneux-bashfest, replete with corporate liability clauses and non-delivery of products, well .. its more like the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Of course, a lot of us have gotten to the point where the hype around Molyneux is itself enough entertainment. I was there in the Black&White days, which I considered to be a really interesting concept, but as is so often the case these days, the Creator of that Universe got bored, and moved on. Maybe thats the real lesson here ..
Of course, a lot of us have gotten to the point where the hype around Molyneux is itself enough entertainment. I was there in the Black&White days, which I considered to be a really interesting concept, but as is so often the case these days, the Creator of that Universe got bored, and moved on. Maybe thats the real lesson here ..
Tell that to all those people who funded Godus on kickstarter, based upon the promised feature list and goals. If you read some of the linked articles, Peter Molyneux basically admits to saying anything in order to get the backers' money. That's disreputable and unethical. But I doubt he cares at all, he's too busy over-hyping and over-promising on his next game.
I think it's more about them lying to their fans in an attempt to drum up publicity.
Peter Molyneux. He was a great game designer in the 1990s at Bullfrog. I mean Populous, Syndicate, Theme Park, Magic Carpet, Dungeon Keeper (to a lesser extend also Black & White and Fable) were great games.
He is really good at PR, he always promises a lot and he almost never delivers (game functionality, not about the article). He has a bad reputation IMHO at least since Black & White 1 in 2001, his earlier games were great! Though he is a charming guy and get away with it. The article is rubbish, just like Molyneux latest 22Cans's "Godus" god game.
He is really good at PR, he always promises a lot and he almost never delivers (game functionality, not about the article). He has a bad reputation IMHO at least since Black & White 1 in 2001, his earlier games were great! Though he is a charming guy and get away with it. The article is rubbish, just like Molyneux latest 22Cans's "Godus" god game.
Was Syndicate (an all time favorite of mine) designed by Molyneux? According to Wikipedia, it was designed by someone named Sean Cooper. I have to wonder... is it a coincidence that it's not a God game?
(To give Molyneux his well-earned credit, I also loved Populous and Dungeon Keeper!)
(To give Molyneux his well-earned credit, I also loved Populous and Dungeon Keeper!)
Yes, but Molyneux's design was called Higher Functions - all you controlled was the "mood" bars (adrenaline, blue funk, don't remember), no direct control over the agents. Used to have some assembly source from it, I think.
Godus is really an extended performance art piece. Molyneux is showing us that real gods appear, make big promises, and then leave their followers -- even the most sainted among them -- to wonder their whole lives if the promises are true.
I have a happier experience of winning a Molyneux competition. Back in the day, I entered a Theme Hospital competion on the Bullfrog website, and received a copy of Syndicate and a Bullfrog leather jacket in the post. I was maybe 12, so the XL jacket was far too big for me, but I was still thrilled.
Surprise of the century, Peter Molyneux doesn't deliver on his promises. Still waiting for that acorn to grow into a mighty oak Molyneux, you silly bastard.
Those who promise us paradise on earth never produced anything but a hell.
~Karl Popper
It's interesting, I started following development of Godus and https://wftogame.com/ at the same time, both spiritual successors to early Bullfrog games. None of them are out of beta/alpha/early-access/whatever yet, both having been delayed for YEARS.
It's such a strange thing to witness; this developer passion and designer dream just slowly withering away. Play Godus for 2 minutes and you will feel why people ache for that experience. It's beautiful. Like The Witness. Calm. And WFTO, watch the trailer. The speaker is the same guy who did dungeon keeper in 1998. These games are pulling your heartstrings, no wonder they get their money. In some way, I would still throw money at another one of these games, if only because a slim chance of a new Bullfrog title is better than none.
At least Blizzard is still going strong; if anyone want a truly unique and delightful experience I can recommend Hearthstone.
Maybe the indie game world need an incubator, like YC.
It's such a strange thing to witness; this developer passion and designer dream just slowly withering away. Play Godus for 2 minutes and you will feel why people ache for that experience. It's beautiful. Like The Witness. Calm. And WFTO, watch the trailer. The speaker is the same guy who did dungeon keeper in 1998. These games are pulling your heartstrings, no wonder they get their money. In some way, I would still throw money at another one of these games, if only because a slim chance of a new Bullfrog title is better than none.
At least Blizzard is still going strong; if anyone want a truly unique and delightful experience I can recommend Hearthstone.
Maybe the indie game world need an incubator, like YC.
Maybe the indie game world need an incubator, like YC.
There are a few groups and companies that are attempting this with various success. Afaik, the most successful version of this is Indie Fund (http://indie-fund.com/), but it's not an incubator in the same way YC is, it's more like an indie game angel investor or VC.
Joystick Labs attempted to follow the startup incubator model for indie games and failed. http://www.gamefounders.com/ Appears to be an active game incubator that follows something close to the YC model.
A couple of game developers including Yetizen and Firehose Games have started incubators.
There are a few groups and companies that are attempting this with various success. Afaik, the most successful version of this is Indie Fund (http://indie-fund.com/), but it's not an incubator in the same way YC is, it's more like an indie game angel investor or VC.
Joystick Labs attempted to follow the startup incubator model for indie games and failed. http://www.gamefounders.com/ Appears to be an active game incubator that follows something close to the YC model.
A couple of game developers including Yetizen and Firehose Games have started incubators.
Having spent a week playing godus on my iPad (probably a few hours in total play-time), I felt it was quite a lovely game if you accept its limitations and play style. It does require patience though.
It has it's flaws but I feel like I've got my money's worth (I spent some money on IAPs cause there was no other way to pay for the mobile version).
It has it's flaws but I feel like I've got my money's worth (I spent some money on IAPs cause there was no other way to pay for the mobile version).
A tangent - don't know if it's intentional on the part of the developers, but I can't stop reading http://wtfogame.com as "WTF ogame". I honestly expected to see a browser MMO under that link.
The name "War for the Overworld" was the first sign that this game was going to lack in aesthetics, which was such a big part of the old Bullfrog games (sound design, graphics, general feel, humor etc). To be fair though, Dungeon Keeper III was going to be named something along those lines, and actually, despite the delays, WFTO seems to be doing pretty good.
"Molyneux insists 22Cans is in rude health"
I had to look up “rude health”. It counterintuitively means “excellent health”.
oh! I assumed it was a typo for "good health" because there was, what I assume, another typo earlier in the article: Does Bryan feel duped, I wonder? "I should do. You would think. … "
...A tiny message appeared on the screen of his smartphone. It contained an email address for someone at 22Cans, the Guildford studio Molyneux had founded after leaving Microsoft and traditional game development behind.
Bryan, confused but intrigued, followed the instructions. Have I really won, he asked? An email appeared with a the message "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."
Bryan, confused but intrigued, followed the instructions. Have I really won, he asked? An email appeared with a the message "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."
It's poor that the developers didn't keep in contact with Bryan but that's not Molyneux's fault - I'm sure he's not the company's PA.
It's a bugger the game isn't released yet - but he explained in the article the external unforeseen issues that caused the delay. Software often gets delayed. Why is this illegal for PM?
PM's only fault was getting excited about features he wanted for Fable which they weren't able to implement. That's a communication style issue which I think he has learned from. Other than that he has an enviable backlog of titles which prove his ability to deliver. I don't believe he deserves the BS he gets from gamers who seem to think PM owes them something.
It's a bugger the game isn't released yet - but he explained in the article the external unforeseen issues that caused the delay. Software often gets delayed. Why is this illegal for PM?
PM's only fault was getting excited about features he wanted for Fable which they weren't able to implement. That's a communication style issue which I think he has learned from. Other than that he has an enviable backlog of titles which prove his ability to deliver. I don't believe he deserves the BS he gets from gamers who seem to think PM owes them something.
I fondly recall the exciting demos and wild claims that Peter Molyneux gave of Black and White at CGDC during the late 90's, which reminds me of Joe Spark's exciting demos and wild claims about Total Distortion that he was showing at practically every computer conference for several years during the early 90's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Distortion
I think they were both interesting games, over-demoed before their time then under-shipped after their time. They had a lot of unique original ideas, but both would have been much better received were it not for all the hype that set such unrealistic expectations.
The idea behind Total Distortion was that you went out into a virtual world, explored, fought guitar battles, took pictures, and shot video. Behind the scenes, the pictures and videos were annotated with metadata about the subjects.
Then you went back to your multimedia production studio and used a miniature kid-friendly version of Adobe Premier to produce music videos using the raw content you gathered from the game. Implementing a music video editor in Director was an amazing technical achievement in and of itself.
But then (and here's the hard part) you had to sell you music videos to simulated hollywood agents, who evaluated your videos based on their (very diverse and whacky) personal preferences. The metadata in the pictures and video you used would entertain or disgust the various agents in different ways, and they'd give you feedback along the lines of "I'm a people person, and I want to see more people in it!" or "I'll be honest fellas, it was sounding great, but I could have used a little more cowbell."
But Joe Sparks demoed it at so many conferences that it was a running joke that it would never be released, because he keep adding new cool features to make each demo more awesome than the last. When it finally was released, it was a big disappointment, after seeing all those fantastic demos.
http://web.archive.org/web/20090516110053/http://www.gamespo...
It was a brilliant idea that was way before its time, and pushed the limits of the technology, incorporating machinima and video editing into a game, but the execution was mediocre compared to all the great hype. It was terribly difficult to implement that kind of stuff in Director in the early 90's. It would be great to see somebody try the same idea again, but with modern technology.