Omaha Code School(omahacodeschool.com)
omahacodeschool.com
Omaha Code School
http://omahacodeschool.com/
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>"Second, even a very intense 12 week course is a good start, but I don't know how many employers are going to hire someone with 3 months training."
I graduated from Hack Reactor this April, the only school I know of a with similar number of instruction hours to those quoted here—about 800. Back then, the school had little brand, but I still got hired by Groupon, and not in a junior role. I was a liberal arts major.
Since that time, I've seen demand for students of later cohorts grow and grow. Some have gotten into white hot start-ups like famo.us, Google and Yahoo! offered interviews to practically the entire current graduating class. One of my friends who started right after me is leading Keychain Logistic's front-end development (YC2012). More interestingly is that while we learn Node, Meteor, Backbone and a lot of other JS-related technologies, a large number of formerly non-technical students have gone on to take roles that have little to do with JavaScript. A couple of examples I can think of off the top of my head are senior Java developer at Pandora and chief data scientist at Node Prime. I really can't emphasize strongly enough what 800 hours in 12 weeks can do in the right program.
My biggest concern with what I can see of the Omaha Code School is actually the low price tag. These schools are not commodities with roughly similar pros and cons. There is a huge variance in outcomes and if you're going to put your life on hold for months while spending all your waking time investing in a new career, it would be madness not to invest in the highest quality program you can.
I graduated from Hack Reactor this April, the only school I know of a with similar number of instruction hours to those quoted here—about 800. Back then, the school had little brand, but I still got hired by Groupon, and not in a junior role. I was a liberal arts major.
Since that time, I've seen demand for students of later cohorts grow and grow. Some have gotten into white hot start-ups like famo.us, Google and Yahoo! offered interviews to practically the entire current graduating class. One of my friends who started right after me is leading Keychain Logistic's front-end development (YC2012). More interestingly is that while we learn Node, Meteor, Backbone and a lot of other JS-related technologies, a large number of formerly non-technical students have gone on to take roles that have little to do with JavaScript. A couple of examples I can think of off the top of my head are senior Java developer at Pandora and chief data scientist at Node Prime. I really can't emphasize strongly enough what 800 hours in 12 weeks can do in the right program.
My biggest concern with what I can see of the Omaha Code School is actually the low price tag. These schools are not commodities with roughly similar pros and cons. There is a huge variance in outcomes and if you're going to put your life on hold for months while spending all your waking time investing in a new career, it would be madness not to invest in the highest quality program you can.
From your github stuff it seems you've been programming for much longer than a few months?...From novice to pro in 12 weeks...not likely.
I was a novice, but not a total beginner. I knew what variables, loops and functions were, but didn't know about the chrome debugger or have a good grasp on client-server programming. I had been trying and failing to get a junior front-end role for several months after transitioning from a career in foreign language education. Hack Reactor was literally life changing for me.
My friend Howard, a high school drop-out from London, came into class with virtually no programming background at all. Here's his github https://github.com/cheeseen. He contracts for Google labs now. Like the school in the post HR now has a pre-course curriculum (with online help) to get people up to the point where they can make a simple chat app before the first day of class, so students get a bit further than my class did.
It really saddens me to see such negative default assumptions, but if you're that skeptical, you can look through every single graduate of the program up through class 3, their LinkedIn profiles and their github profiles here: http://www.hackreactor.com/engineers/. You really can't find that level of transparency from any other school I know of.
My friend Howard, a high school drop-out from London, came into class with virtually no programming background at all. Here's his github https://github.com/cheeseen. He contracts for Google labs now. Like the school in the post HR now has a pre-course curriculum (with online help) to get people up to the point where they can make a simple chat app before the first day of class, so students get a bit further than my class did.
It really saddens me to see such negative default assumptions, but if you're that skeptical, you can look through every single graduate of the program up through class 3, their LinkedIn profiles and their github profiles here: http://www.hackreactor.com/engineers/. You really can't find that level of transparency from any other school I know of.
Elsewhere on the site the lead instructor writes of graduates, "Nationwide, their annual salaries average around $90,000."
The adjective "nationwide" is an important qualifier. http://omahacodeschool.com/articles/building_talent_in_the_p...
The adjective "nationwide" is an important qualifier. http://omahacodeschool.com/articles/building_talent_in_the_p...
I came out of a coding school in New York, had a little background in freelancing, no degree, and found work in Omaha. I'm certainly not paid the salary of a senior level, but I did get a great job where I can get the experience I need.
> because you're not doing it in Boston or SF
...or NY!
...or NY!
in regards to your point #2:
This is from DevBootCamps website (a similar code school in SF + Chicago) -
"Our goal is for everyone who wants full-time employment to get multiple offers, but we obviously can't guarantee or predict that. In 2012, over 90% of the graduates looking for a job found one within 2 months graduation, with an average starting salary of over $80k."
I'm very for alternative education, but this trend of for-profit (or, more accurately, cash-up-front, as I think Hacker Schools is the exception) code schools is a little unsettlingly. I guess it's because it'd be very easy for them to prey upon people in the same way that for-profit universities do ("Earn $70k after three short months!").
On the other hand, they're not funded by student loans, so at least they can't prey on poor people. Still, they can go after someone who's desperate and just happens to be sitting on some cash.
On the other hand, they're not funded by student loans, so at least they can't prey on poor people. Still, they can go after someone who's desperate and just happens to be sitting on some cash.
App Academy also has no upfront payment. I hope that in the long run App Academy and Hacker School will be able to differentiate themselves from the hoard of somewhat scammy cash-up-front programs that seem to be popping up everywhere and churning out grads of dubious quality. By delaying payment and tying their compensation to student success, AA+HS are able to be very selective about who they admit which sets up a positive feedback in terms of student outcome and program reputation.
Some big red flags, in my opinion, about Omaha School web page as it currently stands:
-- Who is actually teaching this class from the crowd of mentors depicted? Are they competent/qualified and have they been respected/successful in their career up to this point? Why are they doing this? The "Who We Are" is currently just pictures and twitter links, which doesn't inspire confidence.
-- I see absolutely no information about outcomes for program grads. Industry average salaries doesn't mean squat, because people doing this bootcamp don't have the profile of the average junior dev with a CS degree and the knowledge/experience that entails. What is the average salary of a program grad and what kind of places are they working? What percent drop out? What percent are kicked out because they can't learn at the pace required? (Kicking people out occasionally is good and indicates there is some combination of rigor/expectation/structure.)
-- The application asks nothing of the applicant and emphasizes how low their expectations are. This signals desperation to me. And what's with the weird age buckets?
Some big red flags, in my opinion, about Omaha School web page as it currently stands:
-- Who is actually teaching this class from the crowd of mentors depicted? Are they competent/qualified and have they been respected/successful in their career up to this point? Why are they doing this? The "Who We Are" is currently just pictures and twitter links, which doesn't inspire confidence.
-- I see absolutely no information about outcomes for program grads. Industry average salaries doesn't mean squat, because people doing this bootcamp don't have the profile of the average junior dev with a CS degree and the knowledge/experience that entails. What is the average salary of a program grad and what kind of places are they working? What percent drop out? What percent are kicked out because they can't learn at the pace required? (Kicking people out occasionally is good and indicates there is some combination of rigor/expectation/structure.)
-- The application asks nothing of the applicant and emphasizes how low their expectations are. This signals desperation to me. And what's with the weird age buckets?
2 of your 3 red flags can be almost immediately dismissed.
A quick search into the mentors will reveal that many of them are indeed highly respected members of their community and skilled developers. Some of the skilled developers have also worked in or built startups and have experience with doing much more than development.
Also, its pretty clear this will be the program's inaugural class, so providing outcomes from program grads is obviously not possible. The fact that this is the inaugural class might give some cause for concern, but they are very up front about that.
Your criticisms about the application seem valid, though minor.
I am in no way affiliated with the school, though I have met a few of the mentors before.
A quick search into the mentors will reveal that many of them are indeed highly respected members of their community and skilled developers. Some of the skilled developers have also worked in or built startups and have experience with doing much more than development.
Also, its pretty clear this will be the program's inaugural class, so providing outcomes from program grads is obviously not possible. The fact that this is the inaugural class might give some cause for concern, but they are very up front about that.
Your criticisms about the application seem valid, though minor.
I am in no way affiliated with the school, though I have met a few of the mentors before.
I want to clarify that the students themselves never end up giving Hacker School money. If a company hires a student through Hacker School, the company pays a recruiting fee to Hacker School. Students pay nothing.
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I found the $18k I spent at Hack Reactor to be the best investment I've ever made. I graduated in April, have already paid off my loans and am hooked into an absolutely incredible network that's rapidly coming to dominate parts of the SF tech scene.
In contrast, the average 4-year college student has $27k in debt, has about a 60% chance of full-time employment and an average salary of $45k if they do manage that.
In contrast, the average 4-year college student has $27k in debt, has about a 60% chance of full-time employment and an average salary of $45k if they do manage that.
Not all of them are for-profit.
http://nashvillesoftwareschool.com/
http://nashvillesoftwareschool.com/
A few scattered thoughts as a Hacker Schooler and college dropout generally interested in alternative education:
- Their curriculum seems very similar to App Academy's (from what I've gathered from friends/acquaintances who have gone there). This isn't a bad thing in any way; I think Rails is a solid foundation for web development, regardless of my personal opinion of it.
- They have a lot of mentors. I wonder how many students they expect to accept, and how many of these mentors are full time?
- I'm glad there's a self-learning curriculum before starting, but I worry about students getting hung up here/whether they'll have easy access to mentors before actually starting.
- The straight tuition cost is somewhat disconcerting. Hacker School gets its money from a hiring fee, while Flatiron School offers a partial refund if you find a job through them. App Academy only charges tuition if you get a job afterwards, and will also refund you part of it if you use their job placement programs. The use of a straight tuition cost makes me wonder if Omaha Code School isn't confident in its ability to place students in jobs, and thus doesn't want to tie their revenue to that. To be fair, Omaha Code School is significantly cheaper than App Academy or Flatiron School, around half the price!
- Does Omaha Code School only plan to work with partner companies in Omaha? While I'm happy to hear Omaha has a growing startup scene, it seems like a potential limiting factor.
Also, FWIW, while I expect there to be a lot of comments saying things like "why Omaha?," I actually think it's super exciting to see this code school concept spreading throughout the country. Hacker School had quite a few midwest migrants, but I think that something closer to home can drastically lower the barrier to entry (especially considering the incredibly difficult cost of SF or NYC).
- Their curriculum seems very similar to App Academy's (from what I've gathered from friends/acquaintances who have gone there). This isn't a bad thing in any way; I think Rails is a solid foundation for web development, regardless of my personal opinion of it.
- They have a lot of mentors. I wonder how many students they expect to accept, and how many of these mentors are full time?
- I'm glad there's a self-learning curriculum before starting, but I worry about students getting hung up here/whether they'll have easy access to mentors before actually starting.
- The straight tuition cost is somewhat disconcerting. Hacker School gets its money from a hiring fee, while Flatiron School offers a partial refund if you find a job through them. App Academy only charges tuition if you get a job afterwards, and will also refund you part of it if you use their job placement programs. The use of a straight tuition cost makes me wonder if Omaha Code School isn't confident in its ability to place students in jobs, and thus doesn't want to tie their revenue to that. To be fair, Omaha Code School is significantly cheaper than App Academy or Flatiron School, around half the price!
- Does Omaha Code School only plan to work with partner companies in Omaha? While I'm happy to hear Omaha has a growing startup scene, it seems like a potential limiting factor.
Also, FWIW, while I expect there to be a lot of comments saying things like "why Omaha?," I actually think it's super exciting to see this code school concept spreading throughout the country. Hacker School had quite a few midwest migrants, but I think that something closer to home can drastically lower the barrier to entry (especially considering the incredibly difficult cost of SF or NYC).
> Does Omaha Code School only plan to work with partner companies in Omaha?
I doubt it, I can count the number of local companies using Rails one one hand. It's a Java/.Net town. But physical location isn't nearly the limiting factor it used to be.
I doubt it, I can count the number of local companies using Rails one one hand. It's a Java/.Net town. But physical location isn't nearly the limiting factor it used to be.
> I doubt it, I can count the number of local companies using Rails one one hand. It's a Java/.Net town.
Totally true, most of the work in Omaha, Lincoln, and Des Moines is enterprise/government .NET or Java. The web dev shops tend towards PHP and as a guy working at a Ruby shop, I'm pretty sure there are < 5 companies actively using Ruby in Lincoln, not sure about Omaha or Des Moines.
Totally true, most of the work in Omaha, Lincoln, and Des Moines is enterprise/government .NET or Java. The web dev shops tend towards PHP and as a guy working at a Ruby shop, I'm pretty sure there are < 5 companies actively using Ruby in Lincoln, not sure about Omaha or Des Moines.
Wow! I don't mean this in a demeaning way, but my tiny city that's pretty "old-school" in tech choices (Brisbane) has more Ruby shops than that.. though they are startups most of the time, so, job security is a bit up in the air. Found that really interesting, thanks :)
Which makes me wonder why they aren't doing the same thing but focusing on Java or .NET.
Because you can go to any community college for that?
There are a lot of mentors and almost all of them are very involved with the tech seen in Omaha and the midwest. Some have their businesses, some are recruiters, and some are just very good programmers. To my knowledge, none of them are actually full time.
Code schools are the auto tech schools of our generation.
I was born and raised in Omaha, and spent most of my career there (now live in the Rockies). This is a great thing for the city and it looks like they have a great group of mentors. Good luck to everyone running this and participating in the program.
I think other comments that Omaha is / has been an enterprise Java and .NET scene are accurate, but perhaps this program will help shift things for the better. Let's hope.
Looks great!
I think other comments that Omaha is / has been an enterprise Java and .NET scene are accurate, but perhaps this program will help shift things for the better. Let's hope.
Looks great!
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Why Omaha, and why $6000? DesMoines @startupcity with a commitment to pay 10% post tax earnings for the next two years on pay over $50k would be much better. @startupcity is looking for a new round of funding.
As far as I can tell, DesMoines Startup City is a startup incubator. That's quite a bit different than a coding school that turns non-programmers into programmers.
Being from Omaha, this is pretty exciting. I'm glad to see some interest in the city and hope this continues to be something that helps Nebraska as a whole grow to be a better climate for developers.
There seems not to be testimonials from former students?
Why Omaha? Not saying bad just not a place that you would think of normally.
Location might be good for some as renting there will be 1/3? of the price of SF
Why Omaha? Not saying bad just not a place that you would think of normally.
Location might be good for some as renting there will be 1/3? of the price of SF
I'll do a proper testimonial later that's ready for the site, but I was a member of Sumeet's WDI (San Francisco) class and I can say that he's not only a talented instructor, but he's also hard-working and compassionate one as well. When you're spending that much time with someone, for 12 weeks, you find out a lot about them. The more I learn about Sumeet, the more I admire him.
I don't speak for Sumeet but I've met him several times (I live in Omaha) and he's definitely a person who loves this town. Glad to see he's starting such a cool thing here!
I'm also pretty sure this is the first semester so there wouldn't be any former students.
I'm also pretty sure this is the first semester so there wouldn't be any former students.
This winter is their first session.
When I scanned the headlines, I misread this as Obama Code School, I guess that's where the healthcare.gov developers went...
That prospective schedule is ambitious (as I'm sure it has to be with the goal of taking novices to junior dev), I'd strive to build in some time for exercise. Three months of intensive coding without a physical outlet could easily lend itself to some unhealthy lifestyle choices. Might as well try to instill balance at the same as good coding habits.
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If you are the application owner, check your logs for details. --- So much for a code school
An error occurred in the application and your page could not be served. Please try again in a few moments.
If you are the application owner, check your logs for details. --- So much for a code school
Oh, c'mon, don't act like this reflects poorly on them. This hit Hacker News at midnight on Friday, I seriously doubt they self-submitted or expected it at all. For all we know, this could just be a demo site still running on a single Heroku instance they were waiting to scale up.
And...the site is down.
However, I take issue with two things they are promoting,
First, this line, "Now they're employed as web developers making $70-100k." The Omaha and Lincoln area have a much lower cost of living than SF obviously, but developer salaries are also much, much lower. An entry level dev is likely to find something closer to $35,000-50,000. I'd say the salary range in the midwest is something like $35,000-100,000 depending on where you work, experience, and so on. Selling devs on the idea that this 12 week course will get you a $70-100k job in the midwest is at least a bit misleading.
Second, even a very intense 12 week course is a good start, but I don't know how many employers are going to hire someone with 3 months training. Now, I don't doubt that the training is FAR more applicable than what they are teaching at the local universities, but real world project experience counts for a lot and some lessons you never really learn until you get the experience of building something.
Also, I really think that the line "Omaha Code School is special" kind of exudes this weird notion I've seen popping up in the "Silicon Prarie" that doing tech in the midwest somehow makes you special because you're not doing it in Boston or SF. I don't really get why they think that, but that vibe seems to permeate the culture of midwest startup land.
Anyway, I hope this does awesome things, but I am worried they are setting the wrong expectations for potential students.