The Dribbblisation of Design(insideintercom.io)
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The Dribbblisation of Design
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I also agree. It's like a developer obsessing about good code and best practices.
Sure the developer cares but the client does not care whatsoever.
Similarly the designer cares about sticking to product design and making the problem easier. However the manager wants something that looks pretty, something that looks expensive and nice to use.
EDIT: I would also like to add I agree with this sentiment. We want pretty apps. I think the time for functional apps was when the iOS and Android markets first came out and touching things on your screen to do something was foreign. Now just like iOS7, it's time to take the steering wheels off.
This is akin to the web during the '90s and early 2000 era.
Sure the developer cares but the client does not care whatsoever.
Similarly the designer cares about sticking to product design and making the problem easier. However the manager wants something that looks pretty, something that looks expensive and nice to use.
EDIT: I would also like to add I agree with this sentiment. We want pretty apps. I think the time for functional apps was when the iOS and Android markets first came out and touching things on your screen to do something was foreign. Now just like iOS7, it's time to take the steering wheels off.
This is akin to the web during the '90s and early 2000 era.
Sure but it seems both you and he can both be right in a sense. A designer needs Dribblized portfolio and Dribblization is making things shallow and hard to use.
The present ultra-competitive world optimizes some things but neglects others.
The present ultra-competitive world optimizes some things but neglects others.
Well, I guess that depends on what sort of job you are applying for. If you want to focus on how it works, apply for UX/IxD positions and bring a portfolio that demonstrates you can think in those terms. If you're more interested in working on the visual aspects of design, e.g. how it looks, you need to demonstrate polish. I got hired just fine without a single pixel-perfect design in my portfolio. Personally, I wouldn't want to work for someone who only cares about what it looks like anyway.
As someone who has hired designers over the years for various startups, I agree.
The author seems to conflate UX with visual design or graphic design. They are not the same thing and often aren't done by the same person.
I've had fantastic UX designers who, frankly, can't get perfectly laid out pixel perfect work done or do eye candy. I've had UI/graphic designers who were awful at figuring out flow.
I've had people who are great at both. But one thing is certain, I want my products to be intuitive AND sexy because there is a certain subset of the market that will try your product just because it looks professionally designed and is on trend. There is a high overlap of those people with taste makers and I need those people using my product.
The author seems to conflate UX with visual design or graphic design. They are not the same thing and often aren't done by the same person.
I've had fantastic UX designers who, frankly, can't get perfectly laid out pixel perfect work done or do eye candy. I've had UI/graphic designers who were awful at figuring out flow.
I've had people who are great at both. But one thing is certain, I want my products to be intuitive AND sexy because there is a certain subset of the market that will try your product just because it looks professionally designed and is on trend. There is a high overlap of those people with taste makers and I need those people using my product.
The author isn't conflating. That is what the words mean, and "UX" is the made up wank word. It's the "Web 2.0." of the design world.
I'm pretty sure "UX" was created as a term in response to the market getting flooded with stylists (interested amateurs) calling themselves "designers". I'm interested to see what you believe to be the distinction between "visual design" and "graphic design". Traditionally, Graphic design is about how it works, with how it looks (what you call "eye candy") being secondary to (but still a part of) function. This is the sort of thing you can learn if you read books instead of just reading blog posts.
And clearly, the definition of "graphic design" has been watered down to the point of irrelevance, and replaced with "UX". sure, fine call yourself whatever you want. But what makes you think UX won't get similarly watered down? The problem isn't the word itself, it's that the culture as a whole doesn't value design, including "designers". (in your language, the culture doesn't value "UX")
Of course language is designed* by its users, and for the moment, it seems that we have indeed fully rotated our hierarchy words a notch down over the past 20 years. But please let us not be ignorant of history, and tradition, and what "graphic design" actually is (Or at least.. .used to be) and that the whole totem pole of design and designers is sliding on a downward trajectory. (I blame adobe for making it look easy. you could always look more convincingly like a skilled professional while operating a huge desk sized typesetting machine and laying out magazines by hand with paper, exacto blades, and photographic color separations)
But sure, maybe inventing new wank words will prop up our careers for 5 more years. It's good marketing. it's good design, to invent words, to sell ourselves. Inventing a new word for "design" is a very designery thing to do. You can make design seem interesting and exciting again by giving it a new flashy buzzword. That will only take you so far though, until the novelty wears off, and suddenly you find everyone believes "UX" means "interested amateur who can make eye candy in photoshop" again.
* see what I did there? "Design" being used to denote the decisions involved in how something works and is experienced, with no reference to how anything looks. Imagine that.
I'm pretty sure "UX" was created as a term in response to the market getting flooded with stylists (interested amateurs) calling themselves "designers". I'm interested to see what you believe to be the distinction between "visual design" and "graphic design". Traditionally, Graphic design is about how it works, with how it looks (what you call "eye candy") being secondary to (but still a part of) function. This is the sort of thing you can learn if you read books instead of just reading blog posts.
And clearly, the definition of "graphic design" has been watered down to the point of irrelevance, and replaced with "UX". sure, fine call yourself whatever you want. But what makes you think UX won't get similarly watered down? The problem isn't the word itself, it's that the culture as a whole doesn't value design, including "designers". (in your language, the culture doesn't value "UX")
Of course language is designed* by its users, and for the moment, it seems that we have indeed fully rotated our hierarchy words a notch down over the past 20 years. But please let us not be ignorant of history, and tradition, and what "graphic design" actually is (Or at least.. .used to be) and that the whole totem pole of design and designers is sliding on a downward trajectory. (I blame adobe for making it look easy. you could always look more convincingly like a skilled professional while operating a huge desk sized typesetting machine and laying out magazines by hand with paper, exacto blades, and photographic color separations)
But sure, maybe inventing new wank words will prop up our careers for 5 more years. It's good marketing. it's good design, to invent words, to sell ourselves. Inventing a new word for "design" is a very designery thing to do. You can make design seem interesting and exciting again by giving it a new flashy buzzword. That will only take you so far though, until the novelty wears off, and suddenly you find everyone believes "UX" means "interested amateur who can make eye candy in photoshop" again.
* see what I did there? "Design" being used to denote the decisions involved in how something works and is experienced, with no reference to how anything looks. Imagine that.
I can't tell if you're saying that visual/graphic designers are saying they are doing "UX", or if "UX" people are really just hand-waving visual designers?
I got lost around "wank word" and UX being the "Web 2.0 of the design world." Most UX people I know are focused on user research, usability, information architecture, and interaction design. I'd say maybe, 1 in 5 are visual designers, and maybe 1 in 3 have any passable graphic design skill at all.
Maybe you're saying that people will be just called "user researcher", "information architect", etc etc and not use the word UX. But I think "wank word" is a tad inaccurate.
I got lost around "wank word" and UX being the "Web 2.0 of the design world." Most UX people I know are focused on user research, usability, information architecture, and interaction design. I'd say maybe, 1 in 5 are visual designers, and maybe 1 in 3 have any passable graphic design skill at all.
Maybe you're saying that people will be just called "user researcher", "information architect", etc etc and not use the word UX. But I think "wank word" is a tad inaccurate.
I am saying that "Design" encompasses a lot of skills, many of which are "invisible" to most laymen- much in the same way that most of the code a developer writes is "invisible" making two pieces of software that outwardly appear to operate identically, can, in terms of code structure, maintainability, be vastly different in quality.
Most people in hiring positions couldn't give two shits that a designer is supposed to do more than just make things pretty- And so they hire people who call themselves "designers" that actually are little more than glorified photoshop operators. Why? because these "designers" are cheaper than these other "designers" and it's not obvious why. The amateurs undercut the professionals.
This puts the real designers, the ones with educations, that actually know design principles, typography, psychology, etc, and have years of experience- in the difficult situation of having to distinguish themselves from these interested amateurs- these "stylists". So I believe, in a turn of marketing genius, some designers came up with the term "UX", and insist that it is NOT this lowly "design" thing, as you know it. It's this totally different thing that is /more/ than just making things look pretty.
Even though, all the things under the "UX" banner are familiar to people with design educations as "design".
That's what "Design" is. UX is just "Design". These are the normal things that you have to do to make a design work.
But how do you communicate that? How do you communicate that Javascript and HTML are capable of so much more now, than they were 5 years ago? You come up with a buzz word. Ajax. Web 2.0. HTML5. To experts who actually know their craft, these are obvious wank words. Meaningless checkboxes that accountants and recruiters can look for on resumes, designed to repackage skills that are decades old as something new and exciting.
But this is hacker news. We shouldn't have to use bullshit marketing terms here. That's for recruiters. That's for clients. Cut the shit, I say. Use the real words with their real meanings.
Most people in hiring positions couldn't give two shits that a designer is supposed to do more than just make things pretty- And so they hire people who call themselves "designers" that actually are little more than glorified photoshop operators. Why? because these "designers" are cheaper than these other "designers" and it's not obvious why. The amateurs undercut the professionals.
This puts the real designers, the ones with educations, that actually know design principles, typography, psychology, etc, and have years of experience- in the difficult situation of having to distinguish themselves from these interested amateurs- these "stylists". So I believe, in a turn of marketing genius, some designers came up with the term "UX", and insist that it is NOT this lowly "design" thing, as you know it. It's this totally different thing that is /more/ than just making things look pretty.
Even though, all the things under the "UX" banner are familiar to people with design educations as "design".
That's what "Design" is. UX is just "Design". These are the normal things that you have to do to make a design work.
But how do you communicate that? How do you communicate that Javascript and HTML are capable of so much more now, than they were 5 years ago? You come up with a buzz word. Ajax. Web 2.0. HTML5. To experts who actually know their craft, these are obvious wank words. Meaningless checkboxes that accountants and recruiters can look for on resumes, designed to repackage skills that are decades old as something new and exciting.
But this is hacker news. We shouldn't have to use bullshit marketing terms here. That's for recruiters. That's for clients. Cut the shit, I say. Use the real words with their real meanings.
I'll agree with what TheZenPsycho said and add my own bit.
I think designers are getting worse and worse at doing one aspect of design and so they ignore it and latch onto a term that purposefully disregards that aspect. So a UX designer would scoff at the visual design aspect because that's not part of their job.
In most cases, outside of huge companies, a designer does pretty much every aspect of what most people consider to be design; visual, UX, UI, Information architecture, research, and branding. That's what designers are trained to do, that's the point of being a designer, you NEED to know how to do all of these things in order to call yourself a designer.
I think designers are getting worse and worse at doing one aspect of design and so they ignore it and latch onto a term that purposefully disregards that aspect. So a UX designer would scoff at the visual design aspect because that's not part of their job.
In most cases, outside of huge companies, a designer does pretty much every aspect of what most people consider to be design; visual, UX, UI, Information architecture, research, and branding. That's what designers are trained to do, that's the point of being a designer, you NEED to know how to do all of these things in order to call yourself a designer.
From the Wikipedia page on graphic design:
"Graphic design is a creative process between a client and a designer, traditionally completed in conjunction with producers of form (printers, sign makers, programmers etc.). Graphic design is created to convey a specific message (or messages) to a targeted audience. The field is also often referred to as Visual Communication or Communication Design. Graphic designers use various methods to create and combine words, symbols, and images to create a visual representation of ideas and messages. A graphic designer may use a combination of typography, visual arts and page layout techniques to produce a final result. Graphic design often refers to both the process (designing) by which the communication is created and the products (designs) which are generated. Common uses of graphic design include identity (logos and branding), publications (magazines, newspapers and books), print advertisements, posters, billboards, website graphics and elements, signs and product packaging. For example, a product package might include a logo or other artwork, organized text and pure design elements such as images, shapes and color which unify the piece. Composition is one of the most important features of graphic design, especially when using pre-existing materials or diverse elements."
It seems to me graphic design is more about the visual appearance than "how it works." I've read a fair amount of books on interaction, product, and visual design and have never read that graphic design had been all of those things.
I've worked at companies where you have people working specifically on either interaction design, visual design, motion design, or user research. All of them were contributing to how it works and how it looks, and had distinct jobs (although they worked closely together).
Also, Human-Computer Interaction is a field that is newer than graphic design, and touches more on just visual design, so I'm not really sure why you are pushing this idea that graphic design = UX/interaction/product design.
"Graphic design is a creative process between a client and a designer, traditionally completed in conjunction with producers of form (printers, sign makers, programmers etc.). Graphic design is created to convey a specific message (or messages) to a targeted audience. The field is also often referred to as Visual Communication or Communication Design. Graphic designers use various methods to create and combine words, symbols, and images to create a visual representation of ideas and messages. A graphic designer may use a combination of typography, visual arts and page layout techniques to produce a final result. Graphic design often refers to both the process (designing) by which the communication is created and the products (designs) which are generated. Common uses of graphic design include identity (logos and branding), publications (magazines, newspapers and books), print advertisements, posters, billboards, website graphics and elements, signs and product packaging. For example, a product package might include a logo or other artwork, organized text and pure design elements such as images, shapes and color which unify the piece. Composition is one of the most important features of graphic design, especially when using pre-existing materials or diverse elements."
It seems to me graphic design is more about the visual appearance than "how it works." I've read a fair amount of books on interaction, product, and visual design and have never read that graphic design had been all of those things.
I've worked at companies where you have people working specifically on either interaction design, visual design, motion design, or user research. All of them were contributing to how it works and how it looks, and had distinct jobs (although they worked closely together).
Also, Human-Computer Interaction is a field that is newer than graphic design, and touches more on just visual design, so I'm not really sure why you are pushing this idea that graphic design = UX/interaction/product design.
Oh well I guess your 10 minutes skimming wikipedia defeats my 6 years of university, 10 years experience and constant obsessive reading.
The point I am making is "Design" is how it works. Graphic design is the design of printed, or visual communications. Graphic from the Greek Graphos, for "writing". That is, how the written communication works. To go from that to conclude that "Oh graphic design is just how it looks then" doesn't make any sense, and demonstrates a very shallow understanding of what it actually involves.
Furthermore, with graphic design along with any design process- the most important thing you learn is the process. The process of research, iteration, prototyping, throwing out most of your ideas, starting again and again and refining, and learning- all towards the goal of solving a specific problem.
That is all design. Not just graphic design. To go from there to "Oh but this guy can do some neat looking bevels in photoshop", it really just blows my mind, how amazingly dismissive and disrespectful such a view point is.
That Human-Computer interaction is "new" is really just way to hype it up. There is absolutely nothing new about the process of achieving a good HCI design, because it's the same principles from graphic design, typography, and industrial design all over again, simply applied to this new medium. There is nothing special or unique about it, except that you can get a faster turnaround time on prototypes.
It's not surprising that designers specialise, and all contribute to how it works. But it's like a british tank. All the soldiers in the tank are trained to do each other's jobs, so they can take over if required. They are all "Designers".
The point I am making is "Design" is how it works. Graphic design is the design of printed, or visual communications. Graphic from the Greek Graphos, for "writing". That is, how the written communication works. To go from that to conclude that "Oh graphic design is just how it looks then" doesn't make any sense, and demonstrates a very shallow understanding of what it actually involves.
Furthermore, with graphic design along with any design process- the most important thing you learn is the process. The process of research, iteration, prototyping, throwing out most of your ideas, starting again and again and refining, and learning- all towards the goal of solving a specific problem.
That is all design. Not just graphic design. To go from there to "Oh but this guy can do some neat looking bevels in photoshop", it really just blows my mind, how amazingly dismissive and disrespectful such a view point is.
That Human-Computer interaction is "new" is really just way to hype it up. There is absolutely nothing new about the process of achieving a good HCI design, because it's the same principles from graphic design, typography, and industrial design all over again, simply applied to this new medium. There is nothing special or unique about it, except that you can get a faster turnaround time on prototypes.
It's not surprising that designers specialise, and all contribute to how it works. But it's like a british tank. All the soldiers in the tank are trained to do each other's jobs, so they can take over if required. They are all "Designers".
Great comment on my history of the field... Except I also studied this in university and I am a designer as well, who also reads books, articles, and academic papers as well.
If you want to argue that designers should be knowledgable about all aspects of product design, I agree. But graphic design != interaction or product design.
If you want to argue that designers should be knowledgable about all aspects of product design, I agree. But graphic design != interaction or product design.
From your own quote: "Graphic design is created to convey a specific message (or messages) to a targeted audience" = form follows function (communication), not the other way around.
>I'm pretty sure "UX" was created as a term in response to the market getting flooded with stylists
UX is an umrbella term[1] for usability related disciplines; it's recent conflation as a buzz-word has led to the misinterpretation of it's original meaning.
>UX won't get similarly watered down?
It already has been seeing as how no one seems to know what it means.
[1] http://www.interaction-design.org/images/encyclopedia/human_...
UX is an umrbella term[1] for usability related disciplines; it's recent conflation as a buzz-word has led to the misinterpretation of it's original meaning.
>UX won't get similarly watered down?
It already has been seeing as how no one seems to know what it means.
[1] http://www.interaction-design.org/images/encyclopedia/human_...
I have seen very similar diagrams. except the circle in that diagram labeled "UX" is usually labelled "Design".
And incidentally what on earth is HCI, Human Factors, and Industrial design doing all disjoint? they should all overlap.
And incidentally what on earth is HCI, Human Factors, and Industrial design doing all disjoint? they should all overlap.
Even graphic design isn't about eye candy but about function - graphic design is at base macrotypography. What we seem to have in web design is a deeply ingrained culture of amateurism - can you imagine if we had designers adding gradients, page-curls, and drop-shadows on airport signage? The thing that scares me is that in future we might as the definition and function of a professional designer is completely eroded.
> can you imagine if we had designers adding gradients, page-curls, and drop-shadows on airport signage?
Instead we have designers adding lighting and depth to create gradients and shadows. Good golly, have you been to a modern airport recently? Sure form follows function, but there is absolutely no hesitation on the part of designers to degrade function to make things sexy unless you work in government.
Let's not pretend that the offline world isn't concerned with aesthetics any less than the online one is.
Instead we have designers adding lighting and depth to create gradients and shadows. Good golly, have you been to a modern airport recently? Sure form follows function, but there is absolutely no hesitation on the part of designers to degrade function to make things sexy unless you work in government.
Let's not pretend that the offline world isn't concerned with aesthetics any less than the online one is.
"It can hardly be a coincidence that no language on Earth has ever produced the expression 'as pretty as an airport'. Airports are ugly. Some are very ugly. Some attain a degree of ugliness that can only be the result of a special effort. This ugliness arises because airports are full of people who are tired, cross, and have just discovered that their luggage has landed in Murmansk, and architects have on the whole tried to reflect this in their designs.
They have sought to highlight the tiredness and crossness motif with brutal shapes and nerve jangling colours, to make effortless the business of separating the traveller for ever from his or her luggage or loved ones, to confuse the traveller with arrows that appear to point at the windows, distant tie racks, or the current position of Ursa Minor in the night sky, and wherever possible expose the plumbing on the grounds that it is functional, and conceal the departure gates, presumably on the assumption that they are not" – Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea Time Of The Soul
(In all honesty, I suspect I'm guilty of producing several websites that could easily be accused of those same faults – though I don't _think_ I've ever accidentally sent anyone to Murmansk…)
They have sought to highlight the tiredness and crossness motif with brutal shapes and nerve jangling colours, to make effortless the business of separating the traveller for ever from his or her luggage or loved ones, to confuse the traveller with arrows that appear to point at the windows, distant tie racks, or the current position of Ursa Minor in the night sky, and wherever possible expose the plumbing on the grounds that it is functional, and conceal the departure gates, presumably on the assumption that they are not" – Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea Time Of The Soul
(In all honesty, I suspect I'm guilty of producing several websites that could easily be accused of those same faults – though I don't _think_ I've ever accidentally sent anyone to Murmansk…)
Douglas Adams wasn't a designer of course but of all people he should have been aware of the role of design through the DRU - http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2010/oct/12/design-r...
Well some airports are better designed than others and I'd imagine it's bloody difficult to do well. But the criteria of a good airport design is something most people can agree on and it's not about sexiness but about being able to get from A to B, get your luggage, find toilets and changing areas, find transport to the city etc. If you accept that form follows function, degrading function will make things less 'sexy' not more. Aesthetically attractive design is an emergent property of cohesive, useful, and consistent implementation, not something smeared on top to prettify - works well looks best. It's why we prefer tools like IRC, SMS, and text editors without embellishment. It's a lot of why this site or Reddit or Google is popular.
> The author seems to conflate UX with visual design or graphic design
I can see that.
What I got from the author is that "sexy" should be emergent and not fundamental.
I can see that.
What I got from the author is that "sexy" should be emergent and not fundamental.
Depends. I think with consumer related startus, sexy is pretty important.
Isn't "pixel-perfect" for online design an anti-pattern yet?
Bit depressing that even people in the design world don't understand the basic difference between design and styling -and think it's just some aesthetic thing rather than how we make planes that don't fall out of the sky and road signs that stop people getting themselves lost. OTOH it would seem to indicate a big opportunity (I guess Steve Jobs exploited this).
I'm a designer on Dribbble. The work I present on Dribbble and the "actual" work I do for my clients are quite different most of the time. You can think of Dribbble as the "runway" of graphic/UI design - most of the stuff there are for showing off the designers' ability and/or are conceptual. They are fun and beautiful to look at, but not always designed for practical use, just like most people won't wear runway fashion everyday.
Great comparison to the runway - love that!
This is exactly how I see it. I just don't see how there's anything wrong with making fun designs, trying new things, hearing people's comments, etc. I am amazed that anybody felt this article was interesting enough to repost. I'm not a designer, but I do a lot of solo projects where I'm responsible for the back and front ends. I enjoy looking around on dribble for ideas and inspiration.
I dunno – I upvoted it pretty much based on this fragment:
" … but work that doesn’t address real business goals, solve real problems people have every day, or take a full business ecosystem into consideration. "
That's a conversation I have almost every day with clients, designers, co-workers, and friends.
"Pixel pushing" visual design is something that some people are very highly skilled at – and the difference between good visual design and bad visual design is obvious even to those of us without the skills to create "good design", _BUT_, in terms of a product or web project it's the last ~20% of the time/money budget. Unless you've got (in the article's terms) the "Mission" and "Vision" properly articulated, and then the "Outcome", "Structure", and "Interaction" properly thought through, you don't really have enough actionable data or goals to appropriately brief a visual designer.
(Having said that, for some businesses and budgets, choosing "existing artwork" and jamming your businesses specific requirements into it might be the right way to go - the same way as most retail stores don't build spaces like Apple Stores, but make compromises based on what's available for rent in the area they want to trade, then "making do" with the space/architecture they end up with. I've helped many clients build inexpensive websites by articulating the solutions to the business problems, then cutting costs by choosing something off somewhere like ThemeForest that's "close enough" and either living with the deficiencys or bodging/hacking over them like a quick paintjob instead of a major shop refitout…)
" … but work that doesn’t address real business goals, solve real problems people have every day, or take a full business ecosystem into consideration. "
That's a conversation I have almost every day with clients, designers, co-workers, and friends.
"Pixel pushing" visual design is something that some people are very highly skilled at – and the difference between good visual design and bad visual design is obvious even to those of us without the skills to create "good design", _BUT_, in terms of a product or web project it's the last ~20% of the time/money budget. Unless you've got (in the article's terms) the "Mission" and "Vision" properly articulated, and then the "Outcome", "Structure", and "Interaction" properly thought through, you don't really have enough actionable data or goals to appropriately brief a visual designer.
(Having said that, for some businesses and budgets, choosing "existing artwork" and jamming your businesses specific requirements into it might be the right way to go - the same way as most retail stores don't build spaces like Apple Stores, but make compromises based on what's available for rent in the area they want to trade, then "making do" with the space/architecture they end up with. I've helped many clients build inexpensive websites by articulating the solutions to the business problems, then cutting costs by choosing something off somewhere like ThemeForest that's "close enough" and either living with the deficiencys or bodging/hacking over them like a quick paintjob instead of a major shop refitout…)
So it sounds to me like you agree with him – your Dribbble content is closer to "digital art" than "examples of your typical design work".
I wonder if there'd be an opportunity for a Dribbble-like site to showcase your "business goal articulation" or "optimised interaction flow"? I'm guessing not – partly because I don't think nearly as many people do that work for "fun" (in the way that many people _do_ create polished final renderings as an art/pastime), but mostly because I suspect there's significantly more business value in them – I'd expect to see that sort of higher-level business-strategic work showcased as whitepapers on a Digital Agency's website (or locked away behind NDAs or contractual/provacy agreements with the clients).
I wonder if there'd be an opportunity for a Dribbble-like site to showcase your "business goal articulation" or "optimised interaction flow"? I'm guessing not – partly because I don't think nearly as many people do that work for "fun" (in the way that many people _do_ create polished final renderings as an art/pastime), but mostly because I suspect there's significantly more business value in them – I'd expect to see that sort of higher-level business-strategic work showcased as whitepapers on a Digital Agency's website (or locked away behind NDAs or contractual/provacy agreements with the clients).
My Dribbble content still reflects my design style to a certain degree - with things like icons, logos and illustration, it's a bit easier. However, with a 400x300 (yes, I'm aware that there are @2x pixel and file attachment but when people browse, they only see the small cropped thumbnails) pixel restriction, it's not always easy to fit a meaningful UI design there and still keeping the thumbnail attractive (so you can get more clicks - this isn't just for an ego boost, we need to market ourselves too).
When a potential client contacts me on Dribbble, I usually send them samples of my "real" work so they can get a better idea of what they will be getting from me.
I used Forrst for a while, and some people posted design processes there. However, people are naturally drawn to eye candies more. Like others have mentioned, Behance is another option.
When a potential client contacts me on Dribbble, I usually send them samples of my "real" work so they can get a better idea of what they will be getting from me.
I used Forrst for a while, and some people posted design processes there. However, people are naturally drawn to eye candies more. Like others have mentioned, Behance is another option.
I mean... behance allows you to present your work in a way that's similar to a case study so people often do writeups and show sketches of their process.
Thanks, I hadn't seen Behance before, it seems interesting - I'll take a longer look later.
On a quick glance though, it's not quite what I was imagining, it's still _mostly_ focused on the final visuals. I was imagining something which'd stop well short of that (or at least downplay the final graphic styling), and instead highlight the problem discovery and solution process, the business goal articulation, the interaction design – perhaps everything upto the brief you'd then give to a designer. That'd fascinate me (but as I said upthread, that's quite probably considered significantly more valuable business intelligence or intellectual property by the people who're good at it than even highly polished visual designs – that's the stuff that makes a Razorfish or Mule Design job worth mid six figures, and why they're not competing with $5k or $25k "web design" firms).
On a quick glance though, it's not quite what I was imagining, it's still _mostly_ focused on the final visuals. I was imagining something which'd stop well short of that (or at least downplay the final graphic styling), and instead highlight the problem discovery and solution process, the business goal articulation, the interaction design – perhaps everything upto the brief you'd then give to a designer. That'd fascinate me (but as I said upthread, that's quite probably considered significantly more valuable business intelligence or intellectual property by the people who're good at it than even highly polished visual designs – that's the stuff that makes a Razorfish or Mule Design job worth mid six figures, and why they're not competing with $5k or $25k "web design" firms).
How often do you find yourself at work thinking "man, I really wish I could do more of this dry business work! I hate doing creative stuff!"
If you want designers to stop designing for Dribbble, stop hiring designers on the basis of their Dribbble profiles.
Right now, the evaluation and hiring process for designers in most companies is so shallow that cranking out eye-catching niblets is a HIGHLY rational move for designers looking to promote themselves.
Right now, the evaluation and hiring process for designers in most companies is so shallow that cranking out eye-catching niblets is a HIGHLY rational move for designers looking to promote themselves.
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In a sentence, that is the real problem.
I hired my logo designer off of Dribbble, with excellent results. It probably is less of a problem for logo design, than for something like UX or UI.
Out of interest, how do you measure excellent results?
It was a good process. My designer was quick, responsive, fairly priced, and came up with what I think is a great logo. I'm very happy with it, and I consistently get positive feedback ('cool robot'). What do you think: http://www.predictobot.com/ ?
I'm going to use your logo as an example of what design should be and why the author is on the right track.
Your logo looks good. Visually, it's fine...
But what's the point of having dual colored shapes? Why is there a circle behind the antennas? What does the robot represent? Why orange? If you showed the logo to someone, would they be able to think of a word that coincides with a goal/mission of your company? Why is it looking down? If you're looking to predict (keywords: future, time, ready, etc.) then why not make it look forward?
These are the types of questions that struck me first looking at the logo. It feels like there was more focus on how it looked than to what it represents. That's how Dribble designs feel.
They look good and they get the job done (i.e. you have a logo, a client gets a site, etc.), but when you combine functionality with design, that's a real home run.
Using logo design as the example, the first goal of the designer should be to understand the company. What does it want to do? Why does it exist? Like a person, you want to get to know it before you can label it. Once you have the part of what you want to symbolize, what you want to communicate, you can start sketching. Start trying to really capture the soul of the company and present it in an aesthetic and still functional way.
Having aesthetics without much focus on function, that's what I feel the author is categorizing Dribble designers as.
Having functionality without aesthetic, well, we'll use an automobile for that example. A functional without aesthetic car would be a garbage truck.
Having aesthetics and function, you get brands like Porsche, Apple, Lego, OXO...
Sorry for going on a rant using your logo :-)
Your logo looks good. Visually, it's fine...
But what's the point of having dual colored shapes? Why is there a circle behind the antennas? What does the robot represent? Why orange? If you showed the logo to someone, would they be able to think of a word that coincides with a goal/mission of your company? Why is it looking down? If you're looking to predict (keywords: future, time, ready, etc.) then why not make it look forward?
These are the types of questions that struck me first looking at the logo. It feels like there was more focus on how it looked than to what it represents. That's how Dribble designs feel.
They look good and they get the job done (i.e. you have a logo, a client gets a site, etc.), but when you combine functionality with design, that's a real home run.
Using logo design as the example, the first goal of the designer should be to understand the company. What does it want to do? Why does it exist? Like a person, you want to get to know it before you can label it. Once you have the part of what you want to symbolize, what you want to communicate, you can start sketching. Start trying to really capture the soul of the company and present it in an aesthetic and still functional way.
Having aesthetics without much focus on function, that's what I feel the author is categorizing Dribble designers as.
Having functionality without aesthetic, well, we'll use an automobile for that example. A functional without aesthetic car would be a garbage truck.
Having aesthetics and function, you get brands like Porsche, Apple, Lego, OXO...
Sorry for going on a rant using your logo :-)
I appreciate what you're trying to say. People hire someone based on something shiny they see on Dribble, and they get something shallow and shiny as a result.
However, in my case, there was actually a lot more thought about the feel I wanted to the logo to project than you give us credit for. My company is about making predictive modeling easy, for people who are non-programmers. I wanted a look that was friendly, accessible, futuristic and high tech. I did spend a long time explaining to Ty Wilkins, my designer, what my business was about, and the feel I wanted to project.
We eventually decided that's we go with a mid-century "Tomorrowland" version of futuristic, as a way of combining the friendly with futuristic. The robot came out of that line of work. Since 50's robots were intelligent, it gets at prediction.
I think if you showed it to people they would come up with words like friendly. Eventually, I changed the name of the website to be Predictobot, to have a stronger tie in with the logo.
I did try hard not to be a back seat designer, since that's why I was hiring Ty. So the overall form of the robot is entirely his. The circle behind the antennas is to echo the '50's TV antennas. The orange is a warmer, friendlier color than more typical logo blues and greens.
So maybe I'm being naive, but I do think that we went through a good process of thought, that led to a solution that fit the brief. It wasn't just "give me something that looks good".
People do seem to connect with it. I don't hand out a single business card without getting a comment on how they like my logo. It represents what I wanted to project for my one person business. And I found Ty on Dribbble ;-).
However, in my case, there was actually a lot more thought about the feel I wanted to the logo to project than you give us credit for. My company is about making predictive modeling easy, for people who are non-programmers. I wanted a look that was friendly, accessible, futuristic and high tech. I did spend a long time explaining to Ty Wilkins, my designer, what my business was about, and the feel I wanted to project.
We eventually decided that's we go with a mid-century "Tomorrowland" version of futuristic, as a way of combining the friendly with futuristic. The robot came out of that line of work. Since 50's robots were intelligent, it gets at prediction.
I think if you showed it to people they would come up with words like friendly. Eventually, I changed the name of the website to be Predictobot, to have a stronger tie in with the logo.
I did try hard not to be a back seat designer, since that's why I was hiring Ty. So the overall form of the robot is entirely his. The circle behind the antennas is to echo the '50's TV antennas. The orange is a warmer, friendlier color than more typical logo blues and greens.
So maybe I'm being naive, but I do think that we went through a good process of thought, that led to a solution that fit the brief. It wasn't just "give me something that looks good".
People do seem to connect with it. I don't hand out a single business card without getting a comment on how they like my logo. It represents what I wanted to project for my one person business. And I found Ty on Dribbble ;-).
> A functional without aesthetic car would be a garbage truck.
Though a jeep looks great and is iconic. I'd argue that's because it doesn't have aesthetic applied but that it emerges from purely functional design (and by comparison off-road styling of city cars always looks lame). There are loads of examples of functional 'ugly' things that are yet design classics - e.g. adjustable wrench, Leica M6, Brompton folding bike, yellow school bus, band-aid, Lego, paperclip.
Though a jeep looks great and is iconic. I'd argue that's because it doesn't have aesthetic applied but that it emerges from purely functional design (and by comparison off-road styling of city cars always looks lame). There are loads of examples of functional 'ugly' things that are yet design classics - e.g. adjustable wrench, Leica M6, Brompton folding bike, yellow school bus, band-aid, Lego, paperclip.
IMO: Considering its place currently in overall page layout, logo might be better simplified and with less contrast. E.g., take the favicon version—it's nice too, actually.
It especially concerns the application section of Predictobot: current logo will be too distracting.
Compare a few pages with similar layout to yours, note they all use more schematic logos that draw less attention to header: https://www.getsentry.com/, http://www.fiftythree.com/paper, even http://insideintercom.io/
http://www.docker.io/ is interesting: their logo looks good in ‘hero unit’ as it has the detail, and at the same time not bad in header because of more or less simple shape and not much contrast. (For favicon they've simplified it somewhat.)
It especially concerns the application section of Predictobot: current logo will be too distracting.
Compare a few pages with similar layout to yours, note they all use more schematic logos that draw less attention to header: https://www.getsentry.com/, http://www.fiftythree.com/paper, even http://insideintercom.io/
http://www.docker.io/ is interesting: their logo looks good in ‘hero unit’ as it has the detail, and at the same time not bad in header because of more or less simple shape and not much contrast. (For favicon they've simplified it somewhat.)
Thanks for the constructive criticism. I'll try to tone it down a bit in the real site. I just did the teaser site quite quickly to collect emails, before a conference I was talking at.
Sure, glad if I helped. To complete my suggestion—you can also change landing page layout to make logo more prominent (something like http://docker.io/), in which case it doesn't need to be simplified.
Well I guess there's criteria for the process (quick, cheap, responsive etc) and criteria for the logo. Typically important reqs would be that it uniquely identifies your brand values/mission, that it 'reads', works well in all sizes (pixel and vector), works well in colour and mono - so I couldn't really say much based on this. Obviously you can't hate it but personally I'd be almost trying to push my taste out of the equation as far as possible and instead focus on a functional list of measurable criteria related to my venture. For the 1% left that is taste/magic/pixie dust, I'd defer that to the designer on the assumption they are highly visually literate and spend all day thinking about it. (I say that having once been an art student so quite a difficult temptation to resist but nobody does their best work with a back-seat driver.)
The logo is cool. The rest of the front page needs a lot of work.
I doubt it takes each startup very long to figure out that they shouldn't hire based on Dribbble profiles.
I hire UI and UX designers. It is rather difficult to find someone who is truly adept at even one of those skills, let alone both. Throw in HTML/CSS skill, and now this big-picture-focused-thinking mindset, and I might as well go on an albino sasquatch hunt in Central Park. And if you work for a big company like me, you have to stick to a salary range set by HR department for a given position.
This article offers many solid advice for that talented albino sasquatch designer looking to differentiate himself in his job application for a well-funded start up.
But for the rest of us monkeys, having an extremely solid looking visual design skill (even at the expense of being a bit too trendy) will serve us well. These days, I have to go through about 30 resumes to see 1 that has fairly good design skill, and still not Dribbbbbble level.
This article offers many solid advice for that talented albino sasquatch designer looking to differentiate himself in his job application for a well-funded start up.
But for the rest of us monkeys, having an extremely solid looking visual design skill (even at the expense of being a bit too trendy) will serve us well. These days, I have to go through about 30 resumes to see 1 that has fairly good design skill, and still not Dribbbbbble level.
I agree with this article, but who is to say the goal of Dribbble isn't to just showcase visual design? To join Dribbble, you must get an invite from a Dribbble user. Dribbble users invite people who have similar taste and design state-of-mind as they do. So in the end you get a gated community of designers who think and work alike.
The problem with this I see is that non-design people who wants to hire designers think that Dribbble is the "go to" standard of design, without thinking of usability problems their product[s] have that needs solving.
The problem with this I see is that non-design people who wants to hire designers think that Dribbble is the "go to" standard of design, without thinking of usability problems their product[s] have that needs solving.
You nailed it. Dribbble excels at featuring and sharing solutions to visual design challenges. Icons. Logos. UI components that show effective affordance (as best you can tell from a small screenshot).
I think Dribbble is somewhat a victim of success; everyone wants in and uses it as they see fit.
I think Dribbble is somewhat a victim of success; everyone wants in and uses it as they see fit.
It sounds like you could relate the same statement to using github has hiring criteria. And, I believe enough discussion around that, as an indicator of technical ability, has already happened to say that it is only an indicator of awareness, interest, and activity. I would be interested in knowing how other industries have handled the online portfolio trend. Has SoundCloud affected the hiring of musicians, or YouTube and acting auditions?
While I agree with the main sentiment of this article, I have a nitpick on the main caption image. For me there is a significant loss of information, when an app summarizes something as non-linear and hard-to-predict as weather into boolean statements. So I am not sure if the umbrella app is solving weather reporting problem correctly.
I agree Dribbble favors visual designers. But, there are some really great UX people on there too. Follow the right people and you will get a nice blend of UX and Visual Design.
Product design != Graphic design.
Theming an app != designing an app.
Bye.
"Design starts at the top of a company with the company mission. Then the company vision. It’s very hard to do great design in an organisation without a clear and actionable mission and vision. Don’t underestimate the importance of this. If your company lacks a clear mission, make it your job to facilitate the creation of one."
This is so true. It's way to easy to get lost in creating beautiful designs, oohing and ahhing at little neat interactions, etc. But if it's not fulfilling the initial goal of what you're trying to accomplish it's sadly a waste of time and resources. That's not to say you can't accomplish both (beautiful design that also meets the goals of the app) - but it's a lot harder than it sounds. And very easy to get derailed. Setting up some periodic checkpoints along the way to keep checking back that you're still on target can definitely help.
This is so true. It's way to easy to get lost in creating beautiful designs, oohing and ahhing at little neat interactions, etc. But if it's not fulfilling the initial goal of what you're trying to accomplish it's sadly a waste of time and resources. That's not to say you can't accomplish both (beautiful design that also meets the goals of the app) - but it's a lot harder than it sounds. And very easy to get derailed. Setting up some periodic checkpoints along the way to keep checking back that you're still on target can definitely help.
When I read this type of criticism, I always get the impression that everyone thinks they are better at what they do than everyone else.
How so? And what is "this type of criticism"? To me it looks like the design world has taken one concept and hyped and warped it, missing the point of the original goals.
I don't see this article as any different than the misuse of Hadoop article that was posted yesterday.
I don't see this article as any different than the misuse of Hadoop article that was posted yesterday.
>> And what is "this type of criticism"?
Perhaps gross generalisation is a fitting term? Basically it's somewhat insulting to insinuate that designers on Dribbble believe glamour shots are the be-all and end-all of design. I've heard several prominent Dribbblers interviewed on various web design podcasts, they know what it is and what it isn't.
>> To me it looks like the design world...
Whoah there, you can judge the collective opinion of 'the design world' from your desk?! :)
Perhaps gross generalisation is a fitting term? Basically it's somewhat insulting to insinuate that designers on Dribbble believe glamour shots are the be-all and end-all of design. I've heard several prominent Dribbblers interviewed on various web design podcasts, they know what it is and what it isn't.
>> To me it looks like the design world...
Whoah there, you can judge the collective opinion of 'the design world' from your desk?! :)
What is "the design world"? Some people made a website (dribbble.com) and some people use it. There is no monolithic "design world".
I felt the same way. Possibly he wants that all UXD, UD to all have the same background, but with a different focus?
Maybe he wants someone who is versed in UI and UXD?
Maybe he wants someone who is versed in UI and UXD?
congratulations you are now the 1,000,000,000th internet customer to be linked to the dunning-kruger effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
you're a little bit off: everyone thinks they are shit at what they do, but great at what anybody else does
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
you're a little bit off: everyone thinks they are shit at what they do, but great at what anybody else does
Interesting point.
I recently started using dribbble and thought, "I wish there was more detail in how they came to that conclusion regarding design, layout, and some information architecture". There have few who actually do, but was dribbble founded with the OP main concern in mind? I have a background in research from working in a Research Lab, IT, and project management. Now I'm starting my career in UXD and UD. From my perspective it helps to start with a wireframe, documenting a sitemap, interview the clients, hell even have a case study (this one is usually over looked), call-to-actions, purpose of the created User Experience. I've met with a couple senior UXD people in the field (who are nice as well, btw) and always say mention people always are trapped in the color schemes, wow factor, and forget that main question: "Who is your user?".
I recently started using dribbble and thought, "I wish there was more detail in how they came to that conclusion regarding design, layout, and some information architecture". There have few who actually do, but was dribbble founded with the OP main concern in mind? I have a background in research from working in a Research Lab, IT, and project management. Now I'm starting my career in UXD and UD. From my perspective it helps to start with a wireframe, documenting a sitemap, interview the clients, hell even have a case study (this one is usually over looked), call-to-actions, purpose of the created User Experience. I've met with a couple senior UXD people in the field (who are nice as well, btw) and always say mention people always are trapped in the color schemes, wow factor, and forget that main question: "Who is your user?".
I'm in the same boat (background in data/finance trying to eek into UX or prod mgmt). I've noticed it all just boils down to definition.
"Design" seems to be evolving from pure aesthetics (what's the first emotion evoked upon sight) to aesthetics+function (what's the first reaction, and how does this affect my audience). Maybe it's because 10 years ago "designer" was purely synonymous with fashion or pure photoshop/illustrator. Now it seems to represent anyone and everyone from graphics/visuals, to interaction and information, and even just product.
It makes me wonder though, if there were a dribbble of site flows, wireframes, and creative call-to-actions, would people flock to it?
"Design" seems to be evolving from pure aesthetics (what's the first emotion evoked upon sight) to aesthetics+function (what's the first reaction, and how does this affect my audience). Maybe it's because 10 years ago "designer" was purely synonymous with fashion or pure photoshop/illustrator. Now it seems to represent anyone and everyone from graphics/visuals, to interaction and information, and even just product.
It makes me wonder though, if there were a dribbble of site flows, wireframes, and creative call-to-actions, would people flock to it?
To add: I feel there's attempt for added weight toward the UXD, as he/she is the sole responsible person. People forget that it's a team effort as well.
http://creativebeatle.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/elements_o...
Referenced in the notes. Very useful.
Referenced in the notes. Very useful.
The article contains this gem:
...Redesigns of other people’s work is pure folly e.g. the new Yahoo logo, iOS7, changes to Facebook, the New New Twitter, the American Airlines rebrand. People have no context for the decision making process involved in these projects, no knowledge of the requirements, constraints, organisational politics.
First, most of these redesigns are done in good fun, as a thought exercise for the designer. New thinking applied to familiar context.
But secondly, it's so important to understand that all brands and interfaces are ultimately judged by your customers, who have "no knowledge of [or patience for] the requirements, constraints, organisational politics." I've just heard that argument way too often used to prop up a poor design outcome. Good design remembers that the context of your product is in the hands of your consumer, not in the conference room of your headquarters.
If someone outside your company offers some free thoughts on your brand and identity, it's not a bad idea to look them over. They are relating to you as a customer. (And usually, a huge promoter.)
First, most of these redesigns are done in good fun, as a thought exercise for the designer. New thinking applied to familiar context.
But secondly, it's so important to understand that all brands and interfaces are ultimately judged by your customers, who have "no knowledge of [or patience for] the requirements, constraints, organisational politics." I've just heard that argument way too often used to prop up a poor design outcome. Good design remembers that the context of your product is in the hands of your consumer, not in the conference room of your headquarters.
If someone outside your company offers some free thoughts on your brand and identity, it's not a bad idea to look them over. They are relating to you as a customer. (And usually, a huge promoter.)
The problem with design isn't the designers. It's the clients.
Designers can only aim to produce work that challenges "constraints, organisational politics" if the client will allow them to. Very few will. You can explain until you're blue in the face that they're shooting themselves in the foot, but in any organization the easiest and safest thing to do career-wise is to avoid rocking the boat, so very few clients are willing to push back on all the different internal pressures that hobble their projects. It's easier to just accept them and deliver the best thing their internal dysfunctions will allow.
(This is as true for consulting coders as it is for consulting designers, btw. Even the original consultant, Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective, could never get the London police to take his word for things.)
And it's easier for designers to go along with that too than it is to refuse to work for clients who insist on shooting themselves in the foot. But it's hard to blame them. Designers gotta eat too, you know? I mean, you can play Howard Roark and refuse to work on anything that's in any way compromised, but since reality isn't a bad novel you may find yourself going your whole life without ever finding a client who meets your standards. And is a brilliant designer who never got around to designing anything really better in the final analysis than a brilliant designer who designed a bunch of nearly-great-but-sadly-compromised things? I dunno.
Designers can only aim to produce work that challenges "constraints, organisational politics" if the client will allow them to. Very few will. You can explain until you're blue in the face that they're shooting themselves in the foot, but in any organization the easiest and safest thing to do career-wise is to avoid rocking the boat, so very few clients are willing to push back on all the different internal pressures that hobble their projects. It's easier to just accept them and deliver the best thing their internal dysfunctions will allow.
(This is as true for consulting coders as it is for consulting designers, btw. Even the original consultant, Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective, could never get the London police to take his word for things.)
And it's easier for designers to go along with that too than it is to refuse to work for clients who insist on shooting themselves in the foot. But it's hard to blame them. Designers gotta eat too, you know? I mean, you can play Howard Roark and refuse to work on anything that's in any way compromised, but since reality isn't a bad novel you may find yourself going your whole life without ever finding a client who meets your standards. And is a brilliant designer who never got around to designing anything really better in the final analysis than a brilliant designer who designed a bunch of nearly-great-but-sadly-compromised things? I dunno.
I thought this is why we all embrace A/B testing - to eliminate internal forces and to put the user outcome first.
Have fun convincing designers to embrace A/B testing. They have to change their whole process, including how they deal with clients. Most will only do it once the design is finished to test minor differences.
Start with lean UX I guess...
I upvoted you but I disagree. When designers do unsolicited "spec" redesigns of big brands, I don't think they are representing the customer.
You can't represent the customer without doing some real research with real customers. I can't remember ever seeing those sorts of results in a spec redesign post.
Instead, I think they are using the brand as a canvas to show off their own abilities. And they always pick a big popular brand, because then they can leverage that popularity to promote their work.
You can't represent the customer without doing some real research with real customers. I can't remember ever seeing those sorts of results in a spec redesign post.
Instead, I think they are using the brand as a canvas to show off their own abilities. And they always pick a big popular brand, because then they can leverage that popularity to promote their work.
Andrew Kim has a great unsolicited redesign of the American Ballot system that considered users primarily and doesn't lean too heavy on using the brand as a canvas.
http://www.minimallyminimal.com/blog/america-elect
Teensy bit bland for my tastes but it goes to show there are designer out there who do some quality redesigns.
Teensy bit bland for my tastes but it goes to show there are designer out there who do some quality redesigns.
Well it's not just to promote their work, it's because that specific brand could use an update.
I think a company having a design language and identity is a powerful and wonderful thing. It makes decisions easier, it makes things so much more clear and improves what you do a lot.
At a higher level, having a vision, a framework, a filter by which you make choices and solve problems makes the whole process of doing these things easier.
At a higher level, having a vision, a framework, a filter by which you make choices and solve problems makes the whole process of doing these things easier.
The web is with us all the time. It’s already moving into our cars, into our clothes, into the things we own, into monitoring our health.
Is he using the word 'web' instead of 'Internet'? Does anyone know of the web moving into our clothes?
Is he using the word 'web' instead of 'Internet'? Does anyone know of the web moving into our clothes?
It's a very, very common synonym, short for world-wide web.
I'm aware. They shouldn't be used interchangeably.
Could you expand on that, I've heard people say this but I've never heard a good reason for why, they just assumed I understood it intuitively, when it wasn't too clear at all.
The web is the network of hypermedia documents, the internet is the network of computer networks. A "web page" is a node in the graph of the web. A "computer" is a node in the graph of the internet. For practical purposes, the "internet" is the things that link together using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Protocol and the "web" is things that link together using URIs.
The web is content, the net is machinery.
When you are on Xbox and playing against someone else, you are playing over the internet but you are not playing over the web. Similarly, you can download web pages but you cannot download the internet.
The web is content, the net is machinery.
When you are on Xbox and playing against someone else, you are playing over the internet but you are not playing over the web. Similarly, you can download web pages but you cannot download the internet.
The internet is the world-wide network of computers. The web is HTTP and HTML and other such technologies, that may or may not run on top of the internet, but when they do they form the world-wide-web or web for short.
When people talk about clothes on the web, it's nonsense because they probably don't run HTTP.
When people talk about clothes on the web, it's nonsense because they probably don't run HTTP.
Well, pardon my analogy:
Internet is like roads network - infrastructure which you use to run...
WWW, which is type of traffic on road eg. cars
No. The term 'web' encompasses the protocols and standards. Generally HTTP, HTML, JavaScript, XML, JSON etc.
I have web-enabled weighing scales, web enabled radio, web enabled security cameras. If they were to use a different protocol (e.g. FTP) it would not be 'web'.
I have web-enabled weighing scales, web enabled radio, web enabled security cameras. If they were to use a different protocol (e.g. FTP) it would not be 'web'.
Honestly, since everything is tunneled through HTTP and sent using javascriptish storage notation and half the content is html anyhow, I think it's fair to say "the web" now. It's not the 90s anymore... Web technologies have take over the rest of the internet.
This piece seems to me to inject just the right amount of formalism into this process. That is, I've seen other efforts in this direction build prodigious piles of abstraction, rules, and theory around this mission/vision device and around the equivalents of these four-layer and "jobs" models. Whereas, I can imagine any small group of decision-makers responding productively to this material.
The problem is ego, Designers have a too much of it.
While the author gives some great tips about product design, I don't think it's fair to say that Dribbble is belittling product design. You don't really get the full picture with each shot. You don't know what the designer's agenda is with that particular image, whether it's for fun or is going to be implemented in an actual product. I doubt that all designers on Dribbble go in head-first by only caring about the visuals. I can see where the author tried to go with this article, but I don't think that you can really place a single label on an entire community.
What are some resources/guides to design in a Dribbble style? There is obviously a consistent aesthetic (effects, shadows, etc.)
If there is anything I hate more than the technique described in the OP, it are websites which don't center content.
The author seems to incorrectly conflate UX and visual design.
Dribbble is purely for showcasing visual design (aka technical implementation). It's the price of admission for being a designer. Dribbble isn't for, nor should it be for, explaining UX decisions.
User experience design and interaction design are different skill sets within the design discipline.
If you are impressed with someone's dribbble, then arrange for a phone interview or an in-person white boarding session.
Design is problem solving just like engineering, just a different type of problem set. Treat it as such.
Dribbble is purely for showcasing visual design (aka technical implementation). It's the price of admission for being a designer. Dribbble isn't for, nor should it be for, explaining UX decisions.
User experience design and interaction design are different skill sets within the design discipline.
If you are impressed with someone's dribbble, then arrange for a phone interview or an in-person white boarding session.
Design is problem solving just like engineering, just a different type of problem set. Treat it as such.
I always thought the point of Dribble was to have someplace to show off your greenfield pie-in-the-sky work to other designers, not to impress clients with how well you can work with their organization.
I've actually been having trouble recommending people upgrade to (or purchase new) iOS7 (devices) for this exact reason, even I sometimes don't understand how to use it anymore, so I can't tell my Luddite F&F to use something that costs more and has become as hard to use, as say android.
I can only hope that Apple will learn the error of their ways and turn back to function over form.
I can only hope that Apple will learn the error of their ways and turn back to function over form.
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As a designer, I totally, totally, totally agree with this statement:
> people say designers should code. Whether you agree with that or not, designers certainly need to define the problem and solution not in pixels, but in terms of describing what happens between components in a system ( http://insideintercom.io/the-dribbblisation-of-design/)
My job isn't to make things pretty. Rather, it's to make things understandable. Only when aesthetic appeal makes something easier-to-use & understand does it make sense for me to incorporate it into my design.
In other words: A good designer won't just polish a turd.
> people say designers should code. Whether you agree with that or not, designers certainly need to define the problem and solution not in pixels, but in terms of describing what happens between components in a system ( http://insideintercom.io/the-dribbblisation-of-design/)
My job isn't to make things pretty. Rather, it's to make things understandable. Only when aesthetic appeal makes something easier-to-use & understand does it make sense for me to incorporate it into my design.
In other words: A good designer won't just polish a turd.
I stopped reading the article when I saw the image of the Intercom product architecture. Who needs shitty documentation like that?
The problem with this article is the author doesnt understand that
1/ People are not going to post briefs,diagrams, or product strategies of their clients. No business want these informations to be public. It's like sharing the source code of some proprietary app. Even during an interview you dont do that.
2/ Dribble is for static assets , png ,final results that can be made public, not some hidden documents on the why of the what.
3/ Redesign as an exercice is good,it is not art nor restyling. You have constraints set by the product it self.
4/ Yes, Dribbble is basically a showcase and an inspiration tool for designers ,there is nothing wrong with that.
1/ People are not going to post briefs,diagrams, or product strategies of their clients. No business want these informations to be public. It's like sharing the source code of some proprietary app. Even during an interview you dont do that.
2/ Dribble is for static assets , png ,final results that can be made public, not some hidden documents on the why of the what.
3/ Redesign as an exercice is good,it is not art nor restyling. You have constraints set by the product it self.
4/ Yes, Dribbble is basically a showcase and an inspiration tool for designers ,there is nothing wrong with that.
Exactly. Dribbble is a canvas where you post whatever the fuck you want knowing that most likely you won't be able to use it anyway. It's a way to say, "look how cool it is", and move on.
It's not unlike posting a snippet of cool JS/CSS/whatever on HN and showcasing it. Yes it's not practical but it COULD be inspirational.
One reason why fashion shows exist is to give trickle inspiration to other fashion designers, not to be an exercise in practicality.
It's not unlike posting a snippet of cool JS/CSS/whatever on HN and showcasing it. Yes it's not practical but it COULD be inspirational.
One reason why fashion shows exist is to give trickle inspiration to other fashion designers, not to be an exercise in practicality.
I do not expect a company with a name that seems cribbed straight from the lyrics to "Here Comes Another Bubble" to remain a mainstay of standards in the design world for very long.
This, too, shall pass.
This, too, shall pass.
While I mostly agree with you, I bet the AltaVista team at Digital said the same thing about that stupidly named "Google" company started by those two academics with no business experience…
That final layer of polish and execution is what gets you hired. If you don't have that, you get eliminated immediately. Nobody will ask about your process or your wireframes if your resume gets tossed in the trash bin. You'll never have a conversation about the organizational mission and how it relates to the product if you never get called back for an interview.
If you go in with Paul's first three steps (like I did) and you're lucky enough to talk to someone who doesn't eliminate based on that all-important fourth step of visual design, you'll find yourself in disagreement. There's 8,000 ways to build a product, and chances are your method simply won't line up with theirs.
Meanwhile, there's also 8,000 ways to make something look good, but all of those ways end up beautiful. It's hard to argue about solid visual design, even if it doesn't fit your particular style or tastes.
You can get away with subpar visual design skills at your own startup, like I did, but don't ever expect to get hired without developing those skills. They're more important than the other three combined.