Why I'd Rather Work For A Man Than A Woman(forbes.com)
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Why I'd Rather Work For A Man Than A Woman
http://www.forbes.com/sites/susannahbreslin/2012/05/02/work-for-a-man/
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I think it comes down to that sport field thing. The average geek fits your description of females. Conversely, I know a number of rugby and hockey playing women who are much closer to your description of males.
The opinion expressed in the article is the very definition of unjust prejudice.
Here we have a person who refuses to work for a person for no other reason than she is female. That is an unjust reason. It's no better than refusing to work for someone who is black, or gay, or any other non-relevant trait.
A woman certainly can be a satisfactory supervisor. I work for a woman who is an excellent boss. Come to think of it, she's probably the best manager I've ever met.
Also, if the author is an independent contractor and discriminating against clients for reasons of gender alone, there might be legal concerns in addition to the obvious moral ones.
Here we have a person who refuses to work for a person for no other reason than she is female. That is an unjust reason. It's no better than refusing to work for someone who is black, or gay, or any other non-relevant trait.
A woman certainly can be a satisfactory supervisor. I work for a woman who is an excellent boss. Come to think of it, she's probably the best manager I've ever met.
Also, if the author is an independent contractor and discriminating against clients for reasons of gender alone, there might be legal concerns in addition to the obvious moral ones.
Ya. Am I cute and edgy if I write an article titled "Why I'd Rather Work for a White than a Black?"
This is a fluff piece and is barely coherent. But one thing I have observed is that my female coworkers have a harder time getting along with the female bosses than the male ones. I remember one especially tense project where my team lead was female(very experienced, smart and a pleasure to work with) and another one of the team members was female. She was also smart although less experienced than me. I got along great with both of them although they could not stand each other. I ended up having to be the go-between, taking tasks from the lead to the junior engineer and taking status back up the other way.
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Poor delivery, but there is definitely something to her first point. Women do generally have less power within organizations than men do. So measures designed to help women succeed, like pairing them up with women mentors within the organization, can actually be counter-productive because those women are statistically less likely to be the ones with real power in the organization.
That being said, much of what is often cynically ascribed to "cattiness" between women is better understood as a reaction to the power dynamic. My wife used to hold the same opinion as the author--she hated the idea of working for a woman. She held this idea until she worked at an organization where her department had a critical mass of powerful women, from the top with women partners that brought in their own business, down the ranks to women who were senior associates and ran their cases, etc. She discovered that there was very little friction between the women in the organization, and indeed a lot of camaraderie, because women were not in the minority within the power dynamic. When the women who had seniority also had real power within the organization, when they were no longer the self-conscious minority, they were freed to become good mentors without having to constantly worry about protecting their own turf.
This is one of the reason I'm quite skeptical of people who argue we should be "gender blind." The fact that women are a minority in many fields is something that by itself perpetuates the disparity between men and women. In this context, affirmative action measures are not sexist because they don't help women because they are women, but because they are in the minority within the power structure.
That being said, much of what is often cynically ascribed to "cattiness" between women is better understood as a reaction to the power dynamic. My wife used to hold the same opinion as the author--she hated the idea of working for a woman. She held this idea until she worked at an organization where her department had a critical mass of powerful women, from the top with women partners that brought in their own business, down the ranks to women who were senior associates and ran their cases, etc. She discovered that there was very little friction between the women in the organization, and indeed a lot of camaraderie, because women were not in the minority within the power dynamic. When the women who had seniority also had real power within the organization, when they were no longer the self-conscious minority, they were freed to become good mentors without having to constantly worry about protecting their own turf.
This is one of the reason I'm quite skeptical of people who argue we should be "gender blind." The fact that women are a minority in many fields is something that by itself perpetuates the disparity between men and women. In this context, affirmative action measures are not sexist because they don't help women because they are women, but because they are in the minority within the power structure.
I salute a troll of the purest kind.
Why do people continually upvote trash from forbes.com?
If you want a concrete example of a woman that blows away men in the criteria that the author chose, consider Margaret Thatcher (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher)
If you want a concrete example of a woman that blows away men in the criteria that the author chose, consider Margaret Thatcher (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher)
The reason Thatcher was so successful though is that she worked like a man. You don't earn the "Iron Lady" nickname for being the one to talk to around the water cooler.
That said, although I like the sentiment it was a pretty rubbish article, if you could even call it that.
It's also quite clear that gender has little to do with it aside from the likelihood of a particular gender to have the more positive traits in question.
That said, although I like the sentiment it was a pretty rubbish article, if you could even call it that.
It's also quite clear that gender has little to do with it aside from the likelihood of a particular gender to have the more positive traits in question.
"The reason Thatcher was so successful though is that she worked like a man."
Spoken from someone with a limited imagination and adherence to gender-based stereotypes.
Spoken from someone with a limited imagination and adherence to gender-based stereotypes.
In order to paint a picture one must occasionally use the odd broad brush stroke.
Identifying common traits of a group, if those those traits are correctly identified, doesn't conflict with the possibility than not all members of a group may have those traits.
We on HN commonly discuss eg, the entrepreneurial culture of the US vs other countries. I don't see this as being significantly different.
Identifying common traits of a group, if those those traits are correctly identified, doesn't conflict with the possibility than not all members of a group may have those traits.
We on HN commonly discuss eg, the entrepreneurial culture of the US vs other countries. I don't see this as being significantly different.
This article consisted of three very broad, virtually meaningless brushstrokes.
I'm not opposed to articles that aren't "PC" but seriously, if you're going to make these types of claims based on "fifteen years of experience", you need to go into much more depth and tie into secondary sources.
I'm not opposed to articles that aren't "PC" but seriously, if you're going to make these types of claims based on "fifteen years of experience", you need to go into much more depth and tie into secondary sources.
If the writer was a true independent consultant, they realize their bosses are their clients, regardless of gender, if you cant make them happy you will be out of work. If she comfortable enough to be catty and bring emotion into their business, they will not be an independent consultant for long. Suck it up
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Junk article
I'm not in a position to give this a proper analysis either, but what the hell, it's the internet after all.
I work in insurance, which is a female dominated field (at least until you look at the top) and am married. My wife openly admits that she prefers male bosses. Personally, I've had as many good female managers than I have male. Here is what I have noticed though:
Women hate each other. With a passion. Even their "friends". I also think women have a very under-developed (okay, let's concede "different") idea of conflict, at least when compared to men, and I think it is evolutionary.
Men seem to me to be able to "team bond" almost instantly, perform a high level of conflict engagement with very defined "rules" (whether on the sports field, the boardroom or even combat itself). Within this arena, men are ruthless assholes at the best of times, and downright immoral at the worst. But almost always in support of the team - those that act otherwise are ostracized. After the conflict though, men revert to a rest state where the actions of the conflict are almost immediately discarded to a simply won/lost equation. Strangely enough, women that either prefer or can adapt to this environment seem to excel.
Women though in almost every case seem to approach this situation in the exact opposite fashion: team bonding takes forever, and can be shattered by something as simple as a perceived slight at first introduction, women limit their actions within the arena, and the events that occur during the conflict are remembered almost forever. I've seen 10 year friendships end over something as simple as not properly crediting someone enough during a boardroom presentation.
I think it all goes back to the caveman days - men needed to find allies fast to tackle that mammoth, or "enemy of my enemy is my friend" when the threat was more human. Women needed to be much more guarded - everyone who wasn't a long term immediate family member was a threat to the tribe, and even then you advance by being with the alpha male, so getting him is the main objective, your sister be damned.
But this is just my 5 cents. It's really nothing more than an opinion on the internet. So don't read into it too much.