"Why I Hate Django" - DjangoCon 2008 Keynote by Cal Henderson [vid](uk.youtube.com)
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"Why I Hate Django" - DjangoCon 2008 Keynote by Cal Henderson [vid]
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Fr65PFqfk
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Too bad I didn't know you were there. I would have looked for you... It's always nice to put a face to names (or aliases).
If you're in the area, I run Hackers and Founders Meetup: http://entrepreneur.meetup.com/1737/
I enjoy meeting people from Hacker News as well.
I enjoy meeting people from Hacker News as well.
Sadly, I was only in town for djangocon. Back in Canada now.
This presentation was absolutely hilarious. Best quote:
"Obviously a big problem with the Django community is they're not smug enough. I figured out why. It turns out all the smug on the Internet is already being used [by Rails]; there's very little left to go 'round. I don't know how you'd overcome this. You're probably just screwed."
He had some valid points for general improvements to Django, many points that only really apply to huge-scale stuff which he himself pointed out is almost never necessary and a whole lot of hilarity. Best Django presentation ever.
Between why's "Documents Reveal Django Pony, Caught In Tail Of Lies" and this presentation, Django has not only fulfilled my Framework desires for the week, but also my humor desires. Can your community do that? (I stole some smug from Rails just there, did you catch it?)
"Obviously a big problem with the Django community is they're not smug enough. I figured out why. It turns out all the smug on the Internet is already being used [by Rails]; there's very little left to go 'round. I don't know how you'd overcome this. You're probably just screwed."
He had some valid points for general improvements to Django, many points that only really apply to huge-scale stuff which he himself pointed out is almost never necessary and a whole lot of hilarity. Best Django presentation ever.
Between why's "Documents Reveal Django Pony, Caught In Tail Of Lies" and this presentation, Django has not only fulfilled my Framework desires for the week, but also my humor desires. Can your community do that? (I stole some smug from Rails just there, did you catch it?)
I wonder what was used to code TicketStumbler...
Cal just gave a great (also very entertaining) extended talk on scalable internet architectures at the Web 2.0 Expo in NY. My live notes here and will digest and add pictures this evening.
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=306078
http://www.krisjordan.com/2008/09/16/cal-henderson-scalable-...
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=306078
http://www.krisjordan.com/2008/09/16/cal-henderson-scalable-...
All DjangoCon 2008 videos:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=djangocon+2008
I noticed Cal's "Happy Face" looks an awful lot like Zoolander's "Blue Steel"
If that link doesn't work for you,click this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Fr65PFqfk
I wonder if people are voting up because they've watched it or if they like the title?
ha i did. and it was worth it.
i did
Answering affirmative to an either/or question isn't helpful.
Answering affirmative to an either/or question isn't helpful.
To be pedantic, there is such a thing as an 'inclusive or'. The two options you gave aren't mutually exclusive, so someone could both like the title and watch the video.
That's true, incorrect choice of phrasing on my part. Although saying 'yes' to an 'or' is a valid response, it's not very insightful.
Funniest thing are the charts (particularly the one at 38:00). While they are probably as accurate as 90% of the charts from other presentations, the "hand made"-esthetics reflect the randomness pretty well.
If you want to skip the humorous intro, the juicy stuff starts after 20 minutes or so.
i tried watching the other videos, there is too much blah blah and luck of focus...
If he uses "fuck" and "shit" that much in a presentation, I wonder how frequent they are in normal conversation?
I'd say he used those words quite effectively.
Fantastic presentation. If only all presentations were this funny.
It sounded like Adrian and Jacob really took his critiques to heart. During the "Future of Django session" they said that multiple db's on Django was a big priority for near future releases.
Other great presentations from DjangoCon were Mark Ram's presentation on problems with Django, and what Django can learn from Zope's failures: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fipFKyW2FA4&feature=PlayL...
Mark had some interesting stuff to say about being careful having a monolithic applications that's divorced from the rest of the Open source community and trying to integrate prior work from the Python community instead of building everything from scratch.
For the non-Django people, there was a very interesting discussion on Journalism and Django, which talked a lot about the News Media, problems they are facing and possible technological solutions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgo8ZCHhMPs&feature=PlayL...
I just thought that panel was very interesting, because the panelists talked about a lot of interesting problems in News organizations that startups might just be able to fill.
All in all, DjangoCon on Google's campus was really great. It was heavy on the technical side of things, and light on the marketing/corporate rah-rah.