Rural America Is Gearing Up for a Generation of Change(austinvernon.eth.link)
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Rural America Is Gearing Up for a Generation of Change
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To your point, the studies I've seen report that 93% of a cows lifetimes diet is food that is not in competition with the human food supply, such as grass and agricultural waste.
A cow is essentially a machine that turns inedible food into nutritious edible food.
A cow is essentially a machine that turns inedible food into nutritious edible food.
The dairy cow is the most efficient means of turning grass on a rocky hillside into human-usable protein [0].
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20061802
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20061802
There seems to be a hidden fallacy here. If cows were free range eating _only_ from non productive grass, then sure, they helped turn them into useful proteins in an efficient way.
However, we(humans) as we always do, took things too far, and have been turning lots of wild land to make grass as food for these cows that eventually turn them into proteins. That only leads to more and more grass production and burping cows :-(
However, we(humans) as we always do, took things too far, and have been turning lots of wild land to make grass as food for these cows that eventually turn them into proteins. That only leads to more and more grass production and burping cows :-(
Can you link to the book, out of interest?
As best I can figure that one's in a box of books. If I ever get a chance to unpack them all, it's one of the books I'm looking for. I'll favorite your comment here, and try to get back to you. :)
This is not the reference, but something I just found on google books about the efficiency of dairy cows: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Farming_the_Business_Ma...
(responding to request for the reference for the dairy cow as an efficient converter of grass on rocky hillsides).
This is not the reference, but something I just found on google books about the efficiency of dairy cows: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Farming_the_Business_Ma...
(responding to request for the reference for the dairy cow as an efficient converter of grass on rocky hillsides).
No worries, thank you :)
The follow up argument is how much fresh water it takes to both hydrate the cow and to grow the feed.
According to this article it takes 1847 gallons of water to make 1 lb of beef and 122 to make one gallon of milk, compared to 39 for 1 lb of vegetables:
https://www.denverwater.org/tap/whats-the-beef-with-water
Admittedly, that water doesn't disappear and stays in the water cycle, but every lb of beef that is reduced from the diet saves enough water to supply a household of 4 for almost a week (assuming 80 gallons per person/day)
With the droughts due to climate change interfering with the water cycle and changing the actual local climates of farming areas, without change happening it may become a requirement to drastically reduce the amount of beef that we consume in order to have enough water to survive.
Either that or we will need to start catching rain as it falls on the ocean and shipping it in to make up for the overuse.
According to this article it takes 1847 gallons of water to make 1 lb of beef and 122 to make one gallon of milk, compared to 39 for 1 lb of vegetables:
https://www.denverwater.org/tap/whats-the-beef-with-water
Admittedly, that water doesn't disappear and stays in the water cycle, but every lb of beef that is reduced from the diet saves enough water to supply a household of 4 for almost a week (assuming 80 gallons per person/day)
With the droughts due to climate change interfering with the water cycle and changing the actual local climates of farming areas, without change happening it may become a requirement to drastically reduce the amount of beef that we consume in order to have enough water to survive.
Either that or we will need to start catching rain as it falls on the ocean and shipping it in to make up for the overuse.
I raise beef and dairy on my farm. My milk cow can produce several gallons per day. She drinks at most 20 gallons of water on a hot day. Water scarcity is a huge problem, but the numbers quoted above are completely bogus. In truth, beef can improve the ability of land to capture water by creating fertility in poor soil, as the resulting vegetation leads to increased water retention.
If what you're saying is true, then I agree. If cows ONLY eat from non-productive land, then sure. If they don't get corn or wheat or soybeans or whatever.
It's funny this article is on HN... I was thinking the same thing and arrived at the same conclusion.
Farmers I know are already investing in shifting crops to fruits and vegetables because they are aware of this as well.
I would be interested in your theories around what all that land looks like in a nullified-agrarian society.
Farmers I know are already investing in shifting crops to fruits and vegetables because they are aware of this as well.
I would be interested in your theories around what all that land looks like in a nullified-agrarian society.
I think there are enough hackers that come from agricultural communities to give it a little boost. If I had discussed whether cows were evil or not, it looks like it might have gone to the front page!
It is hard to predict consumer taste, but I do think there will be some people that want beef on the hoof. And if you are utilizing holistic management type processes the biggest cost is the land. So the land price can flex down to make grass finished beef more competitive in a way that is harder for feedlots. And there is a lot of crop land, like in Western Kansas, that isn't really sustainable as crop land because they are lowering the water table pretty fast. So that will all go back to range land. Grazing land is already pretty cheap, 1000-1500/acre in most places. They can handle a haircut better than prime land in Iowa that is $5000-$10,000 acre. So more grazing land, more hobby farm and exurb like development. The worst off people are going to be large landowners with prime cropland. It could be a pretty big compression of the Gini coefficient where people that own less land can find other jobs from remote work or better transportation and end up better off even if their land value declines a lot. If your family owns a 10,000 acre corn and soybean farm, labor income can't replace the lost land value.
It is hard to predict consumer taste, but I do think there will be some people that want beef on the hoof. And if you are utilizing holistic management type processes the biggest cost is the land. So the land price can flex down to make grass finished beef more competitive in a way that is harder for feedlots. And there is a lot of crop land, like in Western Kansas, that isn't really sustainable as crop land because they are lowering the water table pretty fast. So that will all go back to range land. Grazing land is already pretty cheap, 1000-1500/acre in most places. They can handle a haircut better than prime land in Iowa that is $5000-$10,000 acre. So more grazing land, more hobby farm and exurb like development. The worst off people are going to be large landowners with prime cropland. It could be a pretty big compression of the Gini coefficient where people that own less land can find other jobs from remote work or better transportation and end up better off even if their land value declines a lot. If your family owns a 10,000 acre corn and soybean farm, labor income can't replace the lost land value.
One interesting option: isn’t venison significantly less resource intensive to raise than beef?
This must be surprising to people, but the prairie co-evolved with ruminants like cows and buffalo. It literally dies and undergoes desertification without them. Buffalos can't breed fast enough to fill this niche for a long time. If we want healthy prairie we will have to have herds of cattle munching on the grass whether we choose to eat them or not.
I'm beginning to think ruminants are often shown in a poor light by common statistics. And not due to deceit, just reliance of simplistic statistics that do not tell the whole story.
Take the graph showing a cow requires 31.7kgs of food to produce 1kg of meat. But this can be (but sometimes not) all grass which is indigestible to all the other animals here. Pigs and Chickens are at 10.2kg feed/kg meat and 4.2kg feed/kg meat, but this is generally all food which is digestible by humans. Fish are at 2.3kg feed/kg meat, but the fish humans eat almost all naturally eat animals for feed.
Another graph in this shows that maybe 60% of land in the US is used for grazing. This doesn't mean that this land could be used for growing crops. Often ruminants are grazing on marginal land that isn't good for growing other foods.
Similarly methane from ruminants digestion is considered the same as methane from a gas wells for most climate change modelling. But it seems to me that over the 20 year lifetime of methane in the atmosphere, a fixed heard of ruminants would have a fixed amount of methane in the atmosphere. While methane from fossil fuels is more carbon put back into the carbon cycle just seems objectively much more damaging.
Also a smaller portion of their feed ruminants consume would naturally turn into methane if it hadn't been eaten by farmed ruminants.
I've cut back on the amount of red meat that I am eating, but I still think that a more holistic look at ruminants would probably have them looking better than some simple statistics make them look.
My bias is that I grew up on a farm. I am fond of cows and sheep and I would be sad if they went away. I want them treated well, but don't mind them being slaughtered for food.