Is there some kind of tech crash happening right now?(indeed.com)
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Is there some kind of tech crash happening right now?
http://www.indeed.com/jobanalytics/jobtrends?q=engineer%2C+programming%2C+engineering&l=
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It's just a "take-over" http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=social+media&l=
I doubt it. Maybe employers are getting more specific with their postings:
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=big+data%2C+mobile+apps%2C...
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=big+data%2C+mobile+apps%2C...
Those all show the same downturn in the last few weeks, though.
The same trend occurs for designers:
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=web+design%2C+graphic+desi...
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=web+design%2C+graphic+desi...
There's a secretary crash too! http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=secretary&l=
But seriously, this is relative to other job postings, so you can't say it is necessarily a crash, it could just be that the diversity of job types is increasing, or other areas of the job market are growing faster than these particular ones.
But seriously, this is relative to other job postings, so you can't say it is necessarily a crash, it could just be that the diversity of job types is increasing, or other areas of the job market are growing faster than these particular ones.
I think it's just the job descriptions are changing, as one of the above posts shows by comparing "guru" and "ninja."
No one wants a "Secretary" anymore, they want "Front-Office." "Office Assistant," and other buzz-worthy people.
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=front+office&l=
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=office+assistant&l=
No one wants a "Secretary" anymore, they want "Front-Office." "Office Assistant," and other buzz-worthy people.
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=front+office&l=
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=office+assistant&l=
that graph covers 6 days in the middle of january and the "crash" happens on a saturday.
is it really that surprising?
edit: ahaha, years. got it. thanks. :)
is it really that surprising?
edit: ahaha, years. got it. thanks. :)
I think those numbers are years.... :)
I think it's years. Notice the '08 and '09 etc.
years...not days
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I think you're just not using modern terminology:
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=rock+star&l=
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=rock+star&l=
I think people are looking for candidates in alternative places, via Github, SE careers 2.0, coderwall, twitter, IRC, linkedin (direct connections), meetups, hacker news, and less via major job listing sites that indeed crawls. But it's a good question. Anyone feeling all of a sudden that it's easier to fill an engineer's position?
EDIT: the absolute graph is described as "percentage of matching job postings" so it's absolute (total number of jobs), but still "relative" to "other" job titles. so theoretically, one explanation could be that the economy was recovering faster on the tech industry, but now other sectors are catching up... (just a thought, not sure I'm even convinced, but still worth checking).
EDIT2: Seems that a clearly defined crash is not what most recruiters think about for 2013: http://media.dice.com/report/december-2012-special-edition-h...
EDIT: the absolute graph is described as "percentage of matching job postings" so it's absolute (total number of jobs), but still "relative" to "other" job titles. so theoretically, one explanation could be that the economy was recovering faster on the tech industry, but now other sectors are catching up... (just a thought, not sure I'm even convinced, but still worth checking).
EDIT2: Seems that a clearly defined crash is not what most recruiters think about for 2013: http://media.dice.com/report/december-2012-special-edition-h...
Long past the salad days of the code monkey http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=code+monkey&l=
I think its an interesting way to drive traffic to the site. A variation on the "does this house from your neighborhood look like its worth a million bucks?" kinds of things I've seen Realtors do.
Any serious analysis of the health of the STEM job market would have to be a bit more rigorous than a text match search.
I think its an interesting way to drive traffic to the site. A variation on the "does this house from your neighborhood look like its worth a million bucks?" kinds of things I've seen Realtors do.
Any serious analysis of the health of the STEM job market would have to be a bit more rigorous than a text match search.
Cute, but that graph ranges from 0 to 0.04 percent -- it would be just a blip on the other graph, which ranges from 0 to 10 percent.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
Totally serious. I changed the graph to "relative" to show growth of the term over the period.
Just in case the xkcd that crntaylor posted doesn't explain the situation well enough:
Let's assume that there's 10,000 total job postings in your graph. If the "rock star" trend grew from just 1 posting to just 70 postings, that would represent a 7000% growth over the period, even though "rock star" would still represent just .007 of the total market.
Growth graphs answer a very specific kind of question, and it's rarely the question that people mean to ask.
Or, put another way: click the "Absolute" link next to "Scale", under "engineer, programming, engineering, rock star Job Trends".
Let's assume that there's 10,000 total job postings in your graph. If the "rock star" trend grew from just 1 posting to just 70 postings, that would represent a 7000% growth over the period, even though "rock star" would still represent just .007 of the total market.
Growth graphs answer a very specific kind of question, and it's rarely the question that people mean to ask.
Or, put another way: click the "Absolute" link next to "Scale", under "engineer, programming, engineering, rock star Job Trends".
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Don't forget the http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Ninja&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Guru&l=
It would seem the guru market is crashing pretty hard after solid growth. Might be smart to do some job retraining to become a ninja
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This is a chart of searches for jobs, not listings of available jobs, right? And it's at the top around 2008-2009 which was just around the time of the latest financial crisis?
Wouldn't this be more a sign of just the opposite, then? People have jobs and aren't searching for new ones?
Wouldn't this be more a sign of just the opposite, then? People have jobs and aren't searching for new ones?
I have seen a lot of freelancers on Twitter tweeting that they have availability. So, another potentially interesting data point.
I'm fairly certain that your subjective opinion of things you've seen on twitter doesn't count as "data".
Absolutely true: it's the basis for a hypothesis more than anything. "Are there more availability tweets on Twitter in the last month than previous months?" However, if OP wants another data source to show what the Indeed graph is showing, using Twitter might prove interesting (or not)
That could also just mean that more people are going freelance, which if true could also explain the down trend in job postings on indeed if more employers are working with freelancers instead of hiring.
It could also mean that there's so much work that all a freelancer has to do for business development these days is tweet and get tons of work.
The chart is based on relative percentage, not absolute counts. So it's useless - if more gardeners look for jobs on Indeed.com then the engineer/developer/etc lines in this chart drop off. The chart doesn't mean anything in isolation.
This seems like a reasonable explanation, given that "manager", "plumber", and "electrician" all show similar drop-offs. I wonder what is increasing enough to have such a visible effect, though.
You can't see them on the same graph since they're magnitudes are so different, so this isn't easy to see/I may be imagining things.
You can't see them on the same graph since they're magnitudes are so different, so this isn't easy to see/I may be imagining things.
"Tax" is one which seems to be increasing.
Tax preparation is the largest seasonal occupation.
Edit: by which I actually mean that H&R Block is the largest seasonal employer (the Jeopardy question that ended Ken Jennings's run).
Edit: by which I actually mean that H&R Block is the largest seasonal employer (the Jeopardy question that ended Ken Jennings's run).
In relative percentage AND in the job offers that indeed.com have.
Maybe job's offers for dev is done by another way than indeed.com.
Maybe, as you suggest, there is a massive look for gardeners jobs.
Maybe, the dev's keywords are more specific (It seems not: other keywords like "javascript" or "ios" show the same graph).
Maybe there is effectively less demands than before.
this chart does not empirically prove this. It only proves that less people are trafficking in these jobs through Indeed. These kinds of jobs are increasingly being found through other channels.
Right. It could actually show a downturn in the market for job posting sites like monster. When I worked for Simply Hired, I thought it was really odd that I found the job through Craigslist, but the White House was calling us for hard numbers indicating demand for skills in the job market.
I mean, CL jobs would end up on Simply Hired as well, I just felt like we only had a slice, even if a big one, and we didn't know enough about the sample.
That's an interesting graph, and it seems like a material downturn, in my opinion. I wouldn't call it a crash though.
There could be a variety of reasons: fiscal cliff concerns, startup series A crunch, etc. My guess is that the FB IPO debacle had a huge impact on funding in Silicon Valley, which probably killed a lot of jobs. Whether or not that's a big deal going forward I don't know.
There could be a variety of reasons: fiscal cliff concerns, startup series A crunch, etc. My guess is that the FB IPO debacle had a huge impact on funding in Silicon Valley, which probably killed a lot of jobs. Whether or not that's a big deal going forward I don't know.
Everything I see/read says the exact opposite - there are plenty of jobs, it's the talent pool that needs to catch up.
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another take on it from SimplyHired:
http://www.simplyhired.com/a/trends/aoccupation?ocp=Computer...
http://www.simplyhired.com/a/trends/aoccupation?ocp=Computer...
So their figures concur, indicating a marked slow in computer engineering last year.
I know personally 2012 was a very bad year for I.T. here in Australia. But it has seem to be picking up a little since the start of 2013.
I know personally 2012 was a very bad year for I.T. here in Australia. But it has seem to be picking up a little since the start of 2013.
Interesting, especially considering today's headlines regarding a possible immigration agreement in Washington.
What I've read about it so far indicates that provision for more foreign tech worker visas will be shoe-horned into any agreement. I wonder if the mega body shops have insider information on this and are holding back to get cheaper labor.
What I've read about it so far indicates that provision for more foreign tech worker visas will be shoe-horned into any agreement. I wonder if the mega body shops have insider information on this and are holding back to get cheaper labor.
Considering the crash in VC follow-on funding, it's somewhat expected.
Something changed, because I reviewed a few of these charts last month and they indicated no fall for any of the top trending words. So, they must have changed the way that they are rendering the data, or adjusted the data.
Notice no crash is evident when querying for any one of the terms: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=engineer&l=
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=engineering&l=
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=programming&l=
Thus there's something funny going on
Thus there's something funny going on
I see a downturn when looking at a single term.
Maybe at Microsoft
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=google%2C+microsoft%2C+app...
You may be on to something. Of the companies in your query, only Microsoft has results on the same scale as the 'engineer' query (6-8% of jobs posting). And, Microsoft has a downturn that is visually similar as the 'engineering' query. So, it could be that another big player or major deal recently landed and increased the job mix. Or, it could be an effect of Microsoft's recent recruiter layoff (I only know about this because a friend was affected -- no idea how widespread, etc.).
I don't know, but your data has a reasonable narrative.
I don't know, but your data has a reasonable narrative.
Fascinating tool. Some other interesting ones:
financial crisis in effect: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=repo+&l=
no idea about this one: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=terrorist&l=
no idea about this one either: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=escort&l=
financial crisis in effect: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=repo+&l=
no idea about this one: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=terrorist&l=
no idea about this one either: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=escort&l=
Second one was Obama's first election. Jobs having "terrorist" in the name are not jobs for blowing up buildings, they're jobs beating the drum for Republicans. Then in 2010 the Republicans failed to take the Senate and in so doing realized that terrorism rhetoric wasn't having the same effect as it did a decade ago, so they started focusing on other things.
When we started seeing brogrammers and fauxgrammers, crashing code, let alone a tech crash, was inevitable.
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Since they appear to search some set of available online job listing sites, its clearly a change in the mix of listings at those sites -- but it doesn't even necessarily mean a change in relative number of tech jobs to other jobs available (much less a tech crash). Simply a burst in non-tech jobs being more widely posted to different job sites (or new job sites that are non-tech oriented being added to indeed.com's database) would produce this effect.
In fact there's a corresponding uptick in "health" jobs:
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=software%2C+health&l=
Also "work from home". I'm guessing something flooded the job boards in the last month with a single term (think something spammy!), combined with a seasonal downturn .
Also, tax. Is it seasonality? Is it a bigger trend in expansion of non-tech jobs? Is it more non-tech jobs getting posted more widely on job listing sites? Is it indeed.com indexing more sites that favor non-tech jobs? Is it something else? Is it a combination of some of these?
Really hard to tell.
Certainly not a strong basis for suspecting a tech collapse of any sort.
Really hard to tell.
Certainly not a strong basis for suspecting a tech collapse of any sort.
There also appears to be a major crash in demand for "2012"
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=2012&l=
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=2012&l=
And 2010 is so last millennium: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=2010&l=
Holy cow, I shoulda sold those months while they were still fresh!
Damn, I had high hopes for 2012.
According to this Indeed graph most jobs are seeing a decline in new postings: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends/industry
I'd be more inclined to hypothesize that companies are slowing down hiring after bringing on lots of people post-recession. It would be more concerning if numbers such as unemployment were creeping up.
I'd be more inclined to hypothesize that companies are slowing down hiring after bringing on lots of people post-recession. It would be more concerning if numbers such as unemployment were creeping up.
If these positions are "down" relatively, then I wonder what positions are "up" relatively?
Here's an interesting "up" keyword: "part time" http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=part+time&l=
That's not a good thing.
That's not a good thing.
Alternatively, it could be that the number of non-engineering jobs has been going up.
Oh shit... E-commerce too http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=e-commerce&l=
i heard designers are the new black.
or maybe i'm just biased...
or maybe i'm just biased...
Looks like your mom's going down too.
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=your+mom&l=
Ahem.
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=your+mom&l=
Ahem.
There may be a job market crash.
Google down. Apple flat. Facebook and Twitter sharply up:
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=google%2C+twitter%2C+apple...
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=google%2C+twitter%2C+apple...
I searched "front end" and separately "UI" and the graphs are staggering -- for those searches it's nothing but boom time. I would expect similar results for "python" or "ruby"
Well, except that some generic searches show not final dip: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=job&l=