Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures(thekickbackmachine.com)
thekickbackmachine.com
Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
http://www.thekickbackmachine.com/
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It seems like 75-80% of the card/board game projects are funded according to kickback.
Yeah, that was surprising to me as well. Maybe the whole picture is rosier than I thought.
Kickback's corpus only goes back to June 2012.
Agree, great resource. Also, cool podcast.
"Success" should be more than just getting funded, it should be following through with the project.
I could "kickstart" a trip to the moon with no engineering knowledge, and a budget of $5000, and by this metric I would be "successful". Probably within an hour if I properly attached the ideas of unseating a major tech company, and using android to do it. Also video games.
That doesn't mean I went to the moon. It means I successfully got $5000 out of people.
I could "kickstart" a trip to the moon with no engineering knowledge, and a budget of $5000, and by this metric I would be "successful". Probably within an hour if I properly attached the ideas of unseating a major tech company, and using android to do it. Also video games.
That doesn't mean I went to the moon. It means I successfully got $5000 out of people.
I think this tool is geared to people who want to create kickstarter projects that are successfully funded. It isn't geared to people trying to figure out which projects will end up delivering.
Success in the context of Kickstarter means you raised your money. Just like a successful round of venture funding means the company was able to raise money (and not necessarily deliver a real product).
Success in the context of Kickstarter means you raised your money. Just like a successful round of venture funding means the company was able to raise money (and not necessarily deliver a real product).
But how would you define "success"? For example, let's say that Ouya delivers the consoles to those who funded the project, but after a year or two, it dies out from lack of developer interest. Would you define that as a "success" because it delivered, or would you call it a "failure" because it died out?
For Kickstarter projects, I think it's better we use more precise terms, like "successfully funded", rather than the vague "successful".
For Kickstarter projects, I think it's better we use more precise terms, like "successfully funded", rather than the vague "successful".
>I could "kickstart" a trip to the moon with no engineering knowledge, and a budget of $5000, and by this metric I would be "successful". Probably within an hour if I properly attached the ideas of unseating a major tech company, and using android to do it. Also video games."
BLHack: Your idea is interesting, but a bit vague. Could you send a brief summary of the project? Please find enclosed $500k just in case you need a seed for you know whatev. Looking forward to more: your new board.
BLHack: Your idea is interesting, but a bit vague. Could you send a brief summary of the project? Please find enclosed $500k just in case you need a seed for you know whatev. Looking forward to more: your new board.
Here's a really nice computer render of the moon. Also, we filmed this in a coffee shop and know how to use shallow depth of field to demonstrate to you that we KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING!
BLHack:
Thanks - couple of thoughts here. You demonstrate good potential to disrupt some big companies with the coffee shop video. But you need a lot more momentum, so please hold off on coffee shop work until series A.
I would also have loved to share the render with my niece's dog, who's really crazy about the moon, but I couldn't find any social buttons. This takes precedence.
I'd like to introduce you to a social media director who would be a very good fit (cc). Please set up an interview.
Thanks,
Your board.
Thanks - couple of thoughts here. You demonstrate good potential to disrupt some big companies with the coffee shop video. But you need a lot more momentum, so please hold off on coffee shop work until series A.
I would also have loved to share the render with my niece's dog, who's really crazy about the moon, but I couldn't find any social buttons. This takes precedence.
I'd like to introduce you to a social media director who would be a very good fit (cc). Please set up an interview.
Thanks,
Your board.
This site answers a lot of questions for a lot of people. It's a really great site that closely mirrors the KS design. Nice work!
Things I'd like to see added:
Length of campaign, also search by launch/end date
Search funding goal with upper/lower constraints, not just a "close to $#"
Search success by % of goal reached or $ pledged (again, with upper/lower bounds).
# of backers
# of updates posted
An API for access to the data, so others can do analytics on it
Having scraping experience myself, I'd be happy to contribute code to accomplish some of these if you're interested in outside contributors.
Things I'd like to see added:
Length of campaign, also search by launch/end date
Search funding goal with upper/lower constraints, not just a "close to $#"
Search success by % of goal reached or $ pledged (again, with upper/lower bounds).
# of backers
# of updates posted
An API for access to the data, so others can do analytics on it
Having scraping experience myself, I'd be happy to contribute code to accomplish some of these if you're interested in outside contributors.
Would love to see an option as well if the campaign included a video
As soon as I realized how difficult it was to find a comprehensive list of failed Kickstarter projects, I frantically began building a private database of them so that I have the data if I ever need it. Information on failed and cancelled projects is really quite valuable for anyone wanting to launch a successful one.
If I'd gotten around to it, I might have tried to build something like the KickBack Machine, but seeing as it has already been done, I'll leave the job to Dan Misener. (And he's done an excellent job.)
Edit: seems I was wrong about the launch date being hard to find.
If I'd gotten around to it, I might have tried to build something like the KickBack Machine, but seeing as it has already been done, I'll leave the job to Dan Misener. (And he's done an excellent job.)
Edit: seems I was wrong about the launch date being hard to find.
The launch date is on the page, in a list item, like this:
<li class="posted">
<b>Launched:</b>
Jun 18, 2012
</li>
Indeed, the launch date is there, but it's only accurate to the day. To figure out the actual launch date+time, you need to look at the deadline and subtract the project duration, both of which can be found in this element on each page:
<span data-duration="X" data-end_time="Y" id="project_duration_data">
<span data-duration="X" data-end_time="Y" id="project_duration_data">
Wow, thanks. Was this always there, or did it come as part of the recent redesign? I remember searching the source of the previous project pages for anything resembling what should have been a launch date, and couldn't find it anywhere. Maybe at the time I was just delirious.
Not sure how long it's been there, but I feel like it's not a super-recent addition. I never really paid much attention to the launch dates.
I love how even simple adjustments can make a twitter-bootstrap site appear more personalized. Maybe it's the black bar, but I tend to groan a little bit whenever I see it on new sites I come across. This design, on the other hand, I really like. Nice work!
I agree wholeheartedly. Changing the top banner and buttons (the buttons are the first thing I notice) really personalize the site. Great job on using Bootstrap as its intended to be used.
Right now the 'Successful' word is glaring at me for each project [0]. I'd like to see the project title instead of whether it was successful or not. Try swapping the word 'Successful' with the project title?
[0]http://www.thekickbackmachine.com/browse/successful/
[0]http://www.thekickbackmachine.com/browse/successful/
Solid suggestion. I suppose that the length and colour of the progress bar is probably enough to signal whether a project was successful or not. Thanks.
Woah.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/818526066/the-grassroots...
Hollywood Actor Jason Biggs (from American Pie) had his $5,000 goal kickstarter campaign FAIL. F.A.I.L. And he's in Hollywood. People know him. He knows people. Wow.
I guess this goes to show that success is never guarenteed. One cannot predict future success based on past success, or future failure based on past failure. It also makes me feel really good about my own kickstarter campaign failing.
Wow this made my day. Poor guy though, it must have been a huge "wtf" for him.
edit: Changed "oh my god" to "woah" to avoid getting any more downvotes. As an atheist I'm curious to know weather it came from offended christians or vengeful atheists.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/818526066/the-grassroots...
Hollywood Actor Jason Biggs (from American Pie) had his $5,000 goal kickstarter campaign FAIL. F.A.I.L. And he's in Hollywood. People know him. He knows people. Wow.
I guess this goes to show that success is never guarenteed. One cannot predict future success based on past success, or future failure based on past failure. It also makes me feel really good about my own kickstarter campaign failing.
Wow this made my day. Poor guy though, it must have been a huge "wtf" for him.
edit: Changed "oh my god" to "woah" to avoid getting any more downvotes. As an atheist I'm curious to know weather it came from offended christians or vengeful atheists.
If it's not entertaining it fails. His project is boring. Probably 99.9% of the page's visitors couldn't keep their eyes open to read it to the end.
I watched the whole video and I'm still not sure what it's about.
Seconded. His Kickstarter video and copy seemed like a stream of thought joke. Why should I give a rich Hollywood actor money when I can give a well planned and spoken individual the same funds.
Further, it seems pretty unlikely that a person ought to make a movie about how to lead a grassroots campaign if they can't even lead one for their own project.
Further, it seems pretty unlikely that a person ought to make a movie about how to lead a grassroots campaign if they can't even lead one for their own project.
That's odd. If nothing else, his wife has a huge social media following. Doesn't seem like he'd have trouble getting the word out if he wanted to.
This is a great tool! Along with Kicktraq (http://kicktraq.com/) and Kicksaver (http://www.kicksaver.net/ - I made this a while ago), there are now third party projects like this for every stage of a potential campaign, from the planning stages to last-minute rescues.
We're all lucky that Kickstarter's pages are so pleasant to scrape.
We're all lucky that Kickstarter's pages are so pleasant to scrape.
Seems like unsuccessful projects get burried. Cancelled ones are quietly swept away. Case in point is glospex. One day the project was there, the next day it was not. No word...maybe kickstarter is too tiny to have a customer service department...maybe they want the unsuccessful projects to remain unseen.
I like this. Simple and focussed, and invaluable to anyone willing to learn from what worked and didn't for others.
What would be incredibly useful to me is a 'follow-through' indicator for the funded projects. When I read the link I thought 'success' was going to be "funded and delivered on promises".
It would clearly take a lot more work to track, but I could see a Politifact promise-o-meter style 'Delivery Status' with simple indicators like 'In Progress', 'Failed', 'Partial', 'Late', and 'Delivered' or similar.
Also for the funding side, having simple counts on each category and % funded for a given filter would be very informative.
Excellent and clear presentation overall though, very useful as it stands!
It would clearly take a lot more work to track, but I could see a Politifact promise-o-meter style 'Delivery Status' with simple indicators like 'In Progress', 'Failed', 'Partial', 'Late', and 'Delivered' or similar.
Also for the funding side, having simple counts on each category and % funded for a given filter would be very informative.
Excellent and clear presentation overall though, very useful as it stands!
I replied the same thing to another post, but these stats are already available on KS. http://www.kickstarter.com/help/stats
For the % stats regarding funding it's nice to have Kickstarter's page, but integrating that data with rest of the information on the linked page could help inform your decision making.
For the follow-up, I didn't see anything on Kickstarter about stats.
For the follow-up, I didn't see anything on Kickstarter about stats.
Indeed, the aggregate numbers are there, but it's extremely difficult to find individual examples of success/failure by category or goal. That's the point of TKBM.
Looking thru http://www.thekickbackmachine.com/browse/all/ it appears the projects are overwhelmingly successful. In the first 163 project, just under 75% were successful. Am I interpreting this incorrectly, or are projects funded successfully an overwhelming majority of the time?
jQuery('h2:contains("Successful")', 'div.caption').length; //successful
jQuery('h2:contains("Unsuccessful")', 'div.caption').length; //unsuccessful[deleted]
According to my numbers, since mid-June 2012, the overall success rate for all projects in all categories has been ~72%. Much higher than Kickstarter's all-time success rate of ~44%. Successes seem to be increasing.
But does this stat of ~72% success rate (28% failure rate) include canceled/removed projects, which happens quite often after a failed attempt?
I had a friend who started something similar one night when he was drinking. But this is much cleaner looking. ;)
I find digging into stats and broad psychological trends relating to human behavior kind of exciting on one level and depressing on another. From one perspective you can really increase your likelihood of getting people to do what you want with small tricks and tweaks. But then you realize that we're all just a bunch of manipulate-able sheep. :/
I find digging into stats and broad psychological trends relating to human behavior kind of exciting on one level and depressing on another. From one perspective you can really increase your likelihood of getting people to do what you want with small tricks and tweaks. But then you realize that we're all just a bunch of manipulate-able sheep. :/
For macro-level research, it would be useful if every category and filtered view featured accumulated stats (e.g., # of projects/successes/failures).
That is a shockingly high success rate. It seems like 75% when I would have guessed 20%
The success rate is actually 44%. You can find the stats directly on Kickstarter.
http://www.kickstarter.com/help/stats
It's an incomplete list. TKBM has only been tracking projects that ended since mid-June 2012.
According to my numbers, since mid-June 2012, the overall success rate for all projects in all categories has been ~72%. Much higher than Kickstarter's all-time success rate of ~44%.
According to my numbers, since mid-June 2012, the overall success rate for all projects in all categories has been ~72%. Much higher than Kickstarter's all-time success rate of ~44%.
I've been suspecting their success rate might go up as more people become comfortable with the idea. A lot of small projects should be very do-able if their community is familiar with kickstarter.
Same here. I'm wondering if this is maybe an incomplete list. There have to be more than three failed open source hardware projects out there.
Very cool...what I would like to see is duration of fundraising, if you were able to collect this?
What I mean is to have that in the current view...seems more useful than how many days ago it ended?
What I mean is to have that in the current view...seems more useful than how many days ago it ended?
That would be really interesting. I'd like to see specific categories that are more successful now than they previously were, for example. Or correlate that success of specific projects based on how long ago they were.
As requested: https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1ecu_DI...
The KickBack Machine dumps lots of data into this Fusion Table on an ongoing basis. Please feel free to slice and dice it however you like.
The KickBack Machine dumps lots of data into this Fusion Table on an ongoing basis. Please feel free to slice and dice it however you like.
Great resource. Would it be possible to have search functionality?
Search is on the roadmap, for sure. That said, Kickstarter's existing search function performs very well.
The primary purpose of TKBM is to collect Kickstarter projects together by outcome (success/failure) and goal -- two things that Kickstarter's site doesn't make easy.
The primary purpose of TKBM is to collect Kickstarter projects together by outcome (success/failure) and goal -- two things that Kickstarter's site doesn't make easy.
Am I the only one who finds kickstarter search so frustrating? all I want to find is all the technology products orders by recently added.. am I missing something blatant
I also would like to see search added. Love the concept and will keep an eye on it.
Any chance of kickstarter releasing a dump of this so we can all have a play? Even at just a month of data it'll stop us all scraping the hell out of the site.
Here's an ongoing dump of TKBM's data: https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1ecu_DI...
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How do you get the pids?
is there a way to check which of the 'successful' were actually built, not only backed?
Right now, it only tracks funding, not follow-through.
Follow through would be an amazing feature. It would start giving us real data about the success rate of crowdfunding.
This is the best thing I have ever seen on hacker news.
My advice: drop the "the".
They all point to the massive successes, but very few seem to understand that failure is a definite possibility.
Thanks for putting this together and I'll definitely be talking about it on my podcast: http://hastepodcast.com We're always covering new kickstarter projects, and this is an invaluable tool for people who get all starry-eyed at crowdfunding.