Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann in the second move(chessdom.com)
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Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann in the second move
https://www.chessdom.com/magnus-carlsen-resigns-against-hans-niemann-in-the-second-move/
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I think the simplest answer to all of this is a cage match.
Specifically, a Faraday Cage.
Magnus believes that Niemann is cheating via communication with a computer. Fine, let's completely remove the ability to communicate with a computer. Both men are searched on the way in. Heck, for fun lets have them play in tight sporting outfits so it's very clear what they are carrying and doing.
If Magnus destroys Niemann, he'll be able to pretty handily claim that Niemann can't win without communication to computers. If Niemann is competitive, or wins, it will be hard for Carlsen to make any more such claims.
And also, the sport will have a spectacle like we've never seen before. Tell me you wouldn't pay to watch that match!
Specifically, a Faraday Cage.
Magnus believes that Niemann is cheating via communication with a computer. Fine, let's completely remove the ability to communicate with a computer. Both men are searched on the way in. Heck, for fun lets have them play in tight sporting outfits so it's very clear what they are carrying and doing.
If Magnus destroys Niemann, he'll be able to pretty handily claim that Niemann can't win without communication to computers. If Niemann is competitive, or wins, it will be hard for Carlsen to make any more such claims.
And also, the sport will have a spectacle like we've never seen before. Tell me you wouldn't pay to watch that match!
We can assume with some confidence that Carlsen is implying:
(1) Niemann should not have been allowed into the tournament
(2) Due to sufficient cheating evidence, and that he
(3) Does not wish to make a statement to avoid any legal jeopardy.
His approach so far can be seen as better than skipping tournaments or trying to force tournaments to not include Hans if they want Magnus to attend.
Analysis of their last game together: https://lichess.org/broadcast/sinquefield-cup--grand-chess-t...
(1) Niemann should not have been allowed into the tournament
(2) Due to sufficient cheating evidence, and that he
(3) Does not wish to make a statement to avoid any legal jeopardy.
His approach so far can be seen as better than skipping tournaments or trying to force tournaments to not include Hans if they want Magnus to attend.
Analysis of their last game together: https://lichess.org/broadcast/sinquefield-cup--grand-chess-t...
There have been instances in chess where cheaters get caught and they receive light bans and many top players say the punishment is too weak. It's intuitive, if you've been caught cheating then you should be banned from competitive chess. I think that's more likely what Magnus thinks.
I've been trying to follow chess events for the last couple years and I enjoyed it. Right now I have completely lost all the interest in chess because of this 16 and Pregnant level of drama.
I feel that Magnus has become so important in the world of chess that other top level chess players are too afraid to intervene in this "cheating" scandal. Even Hikaru who seemingly has equal(if not bigger) media share of the chess world chooses to make silly videos instead of actually having strong stance against this bullying.
Innocent until proven guilty.
I feel that Magnus has become so important in the world of chess that other top level chess players are too afraid to intervene in this "cheating" scandal. Even Hikaru who seemingly has equal(if not bigger) media share of the chess world chooses to make silly videos instead of actually having strong stance against this bullying.
Innocent until proven guilty.
This appears to be the best full context I’ve found: https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xii9dz/comm...
Clip of the resignation -
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xii9dz/cham...
What if Magnus is simply tilted? That would be sad, but IMHO it seems more plausible every day.
His silence is not playing strongly in his favor.
His silence is not playing strongly in his favor.
Background and discussion from the excellent GothamChess:
https://youtu.be/YktWQrnjPwU
https://youtu.be/YktWQrnjPwU
I was under the impression it's really hard to have a communication device that's not discoverable on you.
In Vegas you could make a lot of easy money playing poker if you can communicate with the other players, people have done just this and got caught. which leads me to believe a tournament of this much importance could also prevent it.
In Vegas you could make a lot of easy money playing poker if you can communicate with the other players, people have done just this and got caught. which leads me to believe a tournament of this much importance could also prevent it.
I don't know much about chess so maybe I've got this all wrong, but I don't see how this can be anything but a dick move by Magnus. What information could he possibly have obtained in that amount of time that would informed him of whether Has was cheating? And if he didn't obtain that information in real time, why did he agree to the match in the first place? It makes no sense.
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Alternative coverage on a bigger site as some commenters are having trouble with the original link:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k8w7x/magnus-carlsen-resign...
Alternative coverage on a bigger site as some commenters are having trouble with the original link:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k8w7x/magnus-carlsen-resign...
This is so interesting in many ways. One there may be no cheating in IRL games so there's a new up challenger for the crown. Two we're seeing a "prove you're not an AI" being asked of a human who doesn't seem to adequately explain their play in a way that seems convincing to other experts. Thirdly, it brings up the whole Deep Blue vs Kasparov rematch which may not have been adequately resolved depending on which circles you speak.
Will artists also have to prove that their artwork is not machine-assisted (how?) or else become devalued? Where is this all heading?
Will artists also have to prove that their artwork is not machine-assisted (how?) or else become devalued? Where is this all heading?
are we asking Niemann to prove a negative here? Incredible by Carlsen, not clear what he wants to see happen from here.
master troll Magnus. This is going to generate significantly more clicks than if he'd played and beat Hans handily
About this cheating accusation... is there any substance behind it, and how credible is it?
I’ve been watching this situation from day 1.
As a Magnus fan I have yet to see any convincing evidence (or any evidence at all) of Hans cheating.
Hikaru’s analysis was a waste of time, IMO.
This is starting to look like a massive nothingburger.
As a Magnus fan I have yet to see any convincing evidence (or any evidence at all) of Hans cheating.
Hikaru’s analysis was a waste of time, IMO.
This is starting to look like a massive nothingburger.
Devil's advocate moment:
Perhaps Magnus (center of the chess world) knows more than we do, and this is his form of silent protest to force the hands of the people that can actually do something about it (FIDE).
I say this, because there are some pretty insidious rumors at the highest levels of chess concerning coverups and numerous examples of suspicious things happening over the past two years (not just from Hans). I can see a scenario where Magnus is up against something larger than himself.
Perhaps Magnus (center of the chess world) knows more than we do, and this is his form of silent protest to force the hands of the people that can actually do something about it (FIDE).
I say this, because there are some pretty insidious rumors at the highest levels of chess concerning coverups and numerous examples of suspicious things happening over the past two years (not just from Hans). I can see a scenario where Magnus is up against something larger than himself.
They scan bicycles for hidden motors any more, before and after important bicycle races. Maybe X-Rays are needed for chess, such as for airplane boarding?
Adgamator short:
https://youtube.com/shorts/QkqZxzZ4jD4
https://youtube.com/shorts/QkqZxzZ4jD4
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I think this is absolutely disgraceful. There is zero proof that Niemann cheated across the board. Kasparov made a great analysis, he said Carlson made a bad opening and paid for it. He got mad and embarrassed. He should be stripped and suspended.
It would not be hard to be connecting two of the many dots from existing technology domains together.
For example, sending chess moves via condensed 16-key (Morse-like) Code via a vibrating butt-plug?
Would require a complicit partner to do so. #headduck
For example, sending chess moves via condensed 16-key (Morse-like) Code via a vibrating butt-plug?
Would require a complicit partner to do so. #headduck
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Here is a nice and balanced opinion about this drama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YktWQrnjPwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YktWQrnjPwU
Magnus either needs to come forward with evidence that Hans cheated against him at St. Louis or take his L and move on. I like Magnus but this behavior is just embarrassing.
This looks like to have been an online tournament. Makes sense for Magnus to resign if he strongly believes that his opponent was in fact cheating.
Could you run a powerful enough chess AI on a local back-end Raspberry Plug? Perhaps it would need some sort of cooling and venting mechanism...
It is curious to see so many people who normally have gung-ho attitudes about "innocent until proven guilty" and "false accusations can ruin a life" and "don't make accusations without evidence" leave that behind in this case.
There are incentives for the non-top-player peanut gallery to pile on here. It makes you look smart and chess savvy to say "I looked at the games and clearly he was cheating."
There are incentives for the non-top-player peanut gallery to pile on here. It makes you look smart and chess savvy to say "I looked at the games and clearly he was cheating."
Top athletes have a history of having mental breakdowns as they realize they've aged and no longer can dominate as they once had. Famously, Mike Tyson bit Evander Holyfield's ear off during a match, but there are other examples like Serena Williams' berating of the umpire during her loss to Naomi Osaka. It's always a bit sad / pathetic to see adults lose their cool when losing to a child.