Arizona Government Suspends Uber's Self Driving Cars from Roads(chicagotribune.com)
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Arizona Government Suspends Uber's Self Driving Cars from Roads
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-arizona-uber-testing-20180326-story.html
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Several comments here making comparisons to human drivers. As if autonomous cars are ok so long as they are at or below parity with humans. This is statistically true but a complete misunderstanding of human nature.
Human risk tolerance varies drastically depending on control/participation. What is the acceptable casualty rate of elevators?
Human risk tolerance varies drastically depending on control/participation. What is the acceptable casualty rate of elevators?
> “Improving public safety has always been the emphasis of Arizona’s approach to autonomous vehicle testing, and my expectation is that public safety is also the top priority for all who operate this technology in the state of Arizona,” Mr. Ducey said in his letter. “The incident that took place on March 18 is an unquestionable failure to comply with this expectation.”
This after the police claimed no fault.[1] Not quite sure how those two statements square...
[1] http://fortune.com/2018/03/19/uber-self-driving-car-crash/
This after the police claimed no fault.[1] Not quite sure how those two statements square...
[1] http://fortune.com/2018/03/19/uber-self-driving-car-crash/
Good riddance. But I think this is not enough to send a strong message to all those who want to put half baked tech out there in hopes of "disrupting" something..
Also, I really hope all self driving testing is suspended until there is sufficient legal and testing ground work before these things are allowed on roads...
Also, I really hope all self driving testing is suspended until there is sufficient legal and testing ground work before these things are allowed on roads...
I don't know much about the logic used in self-driving cars - but I do wonder how they will handle roundabouts. We have a lot of them here (Australia) and you have to give way to a car that is approaching or entering the roundabout on your right - which often is opposite you. How will a self-driving car cope with detecting a vehicle behind the concrete barrier of a roundabout?
I wonder how long the investigations are going to take, they usually take months to a year in these cases. Or have for Tesla at least.
The political side is interesting to look at as well. The governor directly issued the order and he is up for election this year [0] and he played up the positive PR of the Uber and others coming to the state.
0 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_gubernatorial_electi...
The political side is interesting to look at as well. The governor directly issued the order and he is up for election this year [0] and he played up the positive PR of the Uber and others coming to the state.
0 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_gubernatorial_electi...
Amen. Uber's fatal accident rate is now 50x that of sober human driver's. At their current rate of driving, they can't have a _lower_ rate until 2028! Inexcusable failure of their technology to prevent a human death in the most basic collision avoidance scenario.
For all of the theoretical moral questions that have been brought up around self driving cars (the proverbial lever that lets you kill one person instead of a handful, for example), it's interesting/inevitable that this one came up first.
I'm sure lots of people will argue that self-driving cars will, in the long run, save a lot of lives, and therefore we can justify some loss of life in the process. They are probably right about self-driving cars saving more lives in the long run, but I don't know that the conclusion follows.
From what has been released so far, this feels like a case where a human would have had a high likelihood of doing the same thing and would not have been at-fault in the collision. But self-driving cars have more sensors and, in theory, more capabilities to prevent something like this, and we absolutely should expect them to do better.
As someone with a little bit of experience with the machine learning side of things, I understand how this stuff is really hard, and I can imagine a handful of ways the system could have been confused, which makes it all the more important to understand what went wrong and how we could prevent it from happening in the future.
As self-driving cars become more prevalent, things like this will happen and it will be tough to walk the line between over-reacting to every incident and killing progress in this area and designing safe cars that don't make the problem worse. I think it is prudent to have Uber stop testing on public roads until they can explain how this happened and how they can keep it from happening again.
I'm sure lots of people will argue that self-driving cars will, in the long run, save a lot of lives, and therefore we can justify some loss of life in the process. They are probably right about self-driving cars saving more lives in the long run, but I don't know that the conclusion follows.
From what has been released so far, this feels like a case where a human would have had a high likelihood of doing the same thing and would not have been at-fault in the collision. But self-driving cars have more sensors and, in theory, more capabilities to prevent something like this, and we absolutely should expect them to do better.
As someone with a little bit of experience with the machine learning side of things, I understand how this stuff is really hard, and I can imagine a handful of ways the system could have been confused, which makes it all the more important to understand what went wrong and how we could prevent it from happening in the future.
As self-driving cars become more prevalent, things like this will happen and it will be tough to walk the line between over-reacting to every incident and killing progress in this area and designing safe cars that don't make the problem worse. I think it is prudent to have Uber stop testing on public roads until they can explain how this happened and how they can keep it from happening again.
Uber and responsibility doesn't seem like a great cultural match.
This seems like a lesson in why government regulation can be good.
Based what I learned about Uber their self driving cars probably run on NodeJS.
I'm only half joking.
I'm only half joking.
This is interesting, but can we avoid posting links to articles behind paywalls?
Here's one on the subject that isn't: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-arizona-ub...
Here's one on the subject that isn't: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-arizona-ub...
Let’s suspend human driving too, since it kills over 100 people per day.
How is this company still in business...karma is chasing it all the way down to oblivion!
Seems like kind of a pointless action to make it look like they're responding. Uber already suspended their testing in Arizona.
In particular, Uber seems to have been operating self-driving cars recklessly and in an attempt to "move fast and break things". When those things are people's lives, that's unacceptable. I'm all for interesting technology, but sometimes existing rules are there for a reason.
I particularly hope this doesn't dissuade individual states from making leaps to embrace a particular technology. I think that's one benefit of the US: individual states have a lot of power to allow a new technology or permit testing that's illegal or in a gray area in the rest of the country. Arizona made a bet on self-driving technology. I applaud Arizona, even if the bet in this case might have turned out badly.