Why Tesla Is Worth More Than GM(technologyreview.com)
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Why Tesla Is Worth More Than GM
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Your premise is entirely wrong.
GM has positive $37 billion in net tangible assets. That has climbed from $27b, to $33.9b, to $37b over the last three fiscal years. Their net balance sheet is not only improving, it's dramatically in the positive.
To go with that, they have $24 billion in cash and are currently capable of earning around $12 billion in net income on an annualized basis (meaning they can easily afford the debt they have just on an income basis).
GM's balance sheet is in dramatically better shape compared to market capitalization vs Tesla. To make matters worse for Tesla, they're still bleeding immense red ink vs sales, having to regularly either raise debt or dilute shareholders to keep operating (GM doesn't have that problem, and doesn't need to eat its balance sheet to operate). That by itself tells you everything you need to know about Tesla vs GM when it comes to balance sheet vs market cap.
Tesla is worth more than GM for one reason: the potential to one day be more profitable than GM, namely that enough shareholders are buying into that premise.
GM has positive $37 billion in net tangible assets. That has climbed from $27b, to $33.9b, to $37b over the last three fiscal years. Their net balance sheet is not only improving, it's dramatically in the positive.
To go with that, they have $24 billion in cash and are currently capable of earning around $12 billion in net income on an annualized basis (meaning they can easily afford the debt they have just on an income basis).
GM's balance sheet is in dramatically better shape compared to market capitalization vs Tesla. To make matters worse for Tesla, they're still bleeding immense red ink vs sales, having to regularly either raise debt or dilute shareholders to keep operating (GM doesn't have that problem, and doesn't need to eat its balance sheet to operate). That by itself tells you everything you need to know about Tesla vs GM when it comes to balance sheet vs market cap.
Tesla is worth more than GM for one reason: the potential to one day be more profitable than GM, namely that enough shareholders are buying into that premise.
You may know much more about this than me.
Is Enterprise Value too simple a calculation to compare the companies? (you seem to be looking at the entire balance sheet, not just cash/debt)
Certainly GM could issue stock tomorrow to increase their market cap to be more than Tesla's?
Market cap just seems a bit arbitrary of a metric (as it doesn't take into account cap structure) when you're comparing the value of the digital economy and digital monopolies, etc (as the article does).
Is Enterprise Value too simple a calculation to compare the companies? (you seem to be looking at the entire balance sheet, not just cash/debt)
Certainly GM could issue stock tomorrow to increase their market cap to be more than Tesla's?
Market cap just seems a bit arbitrary of a metric (as it doesn't take into account cap structure) when you're comparing the value of the digital economy and digital monopolies, etc (as the article does).
> Certainly GM could issue stock tomorrow to increase their market cap to be more than Tesla's?
That's not how it works. GM issuing shares tomorrow to raise cash, would not inherently boost the market cap. In fact, more likely given the context, shareholders would punish GM and push their valuation down. Shareholders would be spooked by such a move, they'd regard it as a bad sign for GM's operating picture. TSLA & GM are not being treated the same, or valued on the same basis. It's almost identical to the Walmart vs Amazon scenario in that sense.
Cash is essentially never valued at a $1 to $1 basis in terms of representation in the market cap. It's discounted, as for numerous reasons it's not (and shouldn't be) worth 1 to 1 in practical terms.
Debt is also frequently treated very differently from one company to another depending on the context. Comcast for example, has negative $59 billion in net tangible assets, and a mere $4 billion in cash (and most of their 'assets' are goodwill & intangibles); they have a terrible balance sheet. Yet their market cap is $181 billion, to go with $8 billion in net income. Shareholders, for various reasons, are giving Comcast a very sizable multiple and mostly ignoring the balance sheet (ie they don't regard it as a serious threat). GM has a vastly superior balance sheet, six times the cash, routinely ~50% higher quarterly net income, and yet is worth 1/3 what Comcast is.
That's not how it works. GM issuing shares tomorrow to raise cash, would not inherently boost the market cap. In fact, more likely given the context, shareholders would punish GM and push their valuation down. Shareholders would be spooked by such a move, they'd regard it as a bad sign for GM's operating picture. TSLA & GM are not being treated the same, or valued on the same basis. It's almost identical to the Walmart vs Amazon scenario in that sense.
Cash is essentially never valued at a $1 to $1 basis in terms of representation in the market cap. It's discounted, as for numerous reasons it's not (and shouldn't be) worth 1 to 1 in practical terms.
Debt is also frequently treated very differently from one company to another depending on the context. Comcast for example, has negative $59 billion in net tangible assets, and a mere $4 billion in cash (and most of their 'assets' are goodwill & intangibles); they have a terrible balance sheet. Yet their market cap is $181 billion, to go with $8 billion in net income. Shareholders, for various reasons, are giving Comcast a very sizable multiple and mostly ignoring the balance sheet (ie they don't regard it as a serious threat). GM has a vastly superior balance sheet, six times the cash, routinely ~50% higher quarterly net income, and yet is worth 1/3 what Comcast is.
I believe that much of the difference between Comcast and GM are because of number of customers who are revenue generators and the barriers to competition that Comcast would have compared with GM. While there might be many loyal GM purchasers, (I don't know that metric), Comcast does have competition for cable TV (e.g., many who are "cutting the cord") but not so much as an Internet provider, AFAIK.
GM's high revenue/profit vehicles require a lot of gas compared with the lower revenue/profit vehicles and thus the projected cost of gasoline probably is part of the GM valuation. For now, and for the future, thanks to fracking and (relatively) low demand from China, it appears as if GM should be having increased profits.
Regarding, Tesla's valuation, there must be some metric for customer acquisition.
GM's high revenue/profit vehicles require a lot of gas compared with the lower revenue/profit vehicles and thus the projected cost of gasoline probably is part of the GM valuation. For now, and for the future, thanks to fracking and (relatively) low demand from China, it appears as if GM should be having increased profits.
Regarding, Tesla's valuation, there must be some metric for customer acquisition.
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But certainly if the GM entity had $10B more cash tomorrow, it might not be worth $10B more, but certainly it would be worth $5-$10B more (or at the very least >0 more)?
And of course, they could use that $10B to pay off $10B of their existing debt as well.
All I'm trying to say is that you probably shouldn't compare market caps of companies with vastly different capitalization structures to try and deduce a bigger picture idea of the economy. You should look at enterprise value.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketcapitalization.asp
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/enterprisevalue.asp
But certainly if the GM entity had $10B more cash tomorrow, it might not be worth $10B more, but certainly it would be worth $5-$10B more (or at the very least >0 more)?
And of course, they could use that $10B to pay off $10B of their existing debt as well.
All I'm trying to say is that you probably shouldn't compare market caps of companies with vastly different capitalization structures to try and deduce a bigger picture idea of the economy. You should look at enterprise value.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketcapitalization.asp
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/enterprisevalue.asp
Equity valuation in the real world doesn't really work as in theory. But for what it's worth I don't think adventured is right and I find that your point about enterprise value being more meaningful than market capitalisation is mostly valid.
The "best" capital structure for GM has been widely discussed recently, see for example: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-28/hedge-fun...
The "best" capital structure for GM has been widely discussed recently, see for example: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-28/hedge-fun...
> But certainly if the GM entity had $10B more cash tomorrow, it might not be worth $10B more, but certainly it would be worth $5-$10B more (or at the very least >0 more)?
No, again, that's not how it works. Shareholders value companies primarily based on a multiple of earnings with an overwhelming tilt toward future expectations, not based on cash. Cash can receive anywhere from a medium to a near-total discount, depending on the context & company. As an easy example: Apple's cash has stopped growing at the rate it used to (they're paying a lot of it out), while it has taken on immense debt in a short time, and its earnings have not expanded in years (in fact they've fallen as with sales, re fiscal 2016 vs fiscal 2015) - meanwhile, its stock has been given an increased multiple lately, AAPL is up 47% (adding $200+ billion in market cap, while earnings went down and debt went up) in the last year despite those theoretical negatives. Why? Shareholders mostly don't care about the accumulated debt or the slowdown in cash accumulation.
There are a few exceptions, for example if a company is under serious bankruptcy risk. That can dramatically damage the valuation given to a company via its income. In that specific case, adding a ton of cash to relieve the bankruptcy risk, can produce a greater than 1x release in value as shareholders shift back to operating fundamentals & future expectations. Valeant Pharmaceuticals is a walking example of that right now. To the extent Valeant manages to lift the dark cloud of bankruptcy off of it, their market valuation will rise (every time they announce they've paid down some debt, or sell an asset for a good price, their stock tends to spike; they have something like $29b in long-term debt and the debt interest is threatening their existence; if they magically added $10 billion in cash tomorrow, their market cap would expand by something near a 1 to 1 basis or likely greater (depending on the bankruptcy pressure, relief from it can generate an amplified upside)). Another exception example: Las Vegas Sands (LVS), the casino giant, was under serious risk of bankruptcy during the economic crash in 2009; its founder, Sheldon Adelson, decided to back the company with a large amount of money, the stock proceeded to increase by 5x to 6x in a matter of a few months afterward, due to the relief that bankruptcy was no longer nearly so likely (shareholders shifted back to valuing the company on its future earnings/growth/operating expectations). LVS gained so much so quickly, because the risk of bankruptcy was viewed as being so severe it had drastically depressed the market cap of the company.
No, again, that's not how it works. Shareholders value companies primarily based on a multiple of earnings with an overwhelming tilt toward future expectations, not based on cash. Cash can receive anywhere from a medium to a near-total discount, depending on the context & company. As an easy example: Apple's cash has stopped growing at the rate it used to (they're paying a lot of it out), while it has taken on immense debt in a short time, and its earnings have not expanded in years (in fact they've fallen as with sales, re fiscal 2016 vs fiscal 2015) - meanwhile, its stock has been given an increased multiple lately, AAPL is up 47% (adding $200+ billion in market cap, while earnings went down and debt went up) in the last year despite those theoretical negatives. Why? Shareholders mostly don't care about the accumulated debt or the slowdown in cash accumulation.
There are a few exceptions, for example if a company is under serious bankruptcy risk. That can dramatically damage the valuation given to a company via its income. In that specific case, adding a ton of cash to relieve the bankruptcy risk, can produce a greater than 1x release in value as shareholders shift back to operating fundamentals & future expectations. Valeant Pharmaceuticals is a walking example of that right now. To the extent Valeant manages to lift the dark cloud of bankruptcy off of it, their market valuation will rise (every time they announce they've paid down some debt, or sell an asset for a good price, their stock tends to spike; they have something like $29b in long-term debt and the debt interest is threatening their existence; if they magically added $10 billion in cash tomorrow, their market cap would expand by something near a 1 to 1 basis or likely greater (depending on the bankruptcy pressure, relief from it can generate an amplified upside)). Another exception example: Las Vegas Sands (LVS), the casino giant, was under serious risk of bankruptcy during the economic crash in 2009; its founder, Sheldon Adelson, decided to back the company with a large amount of money, the stock proceeded to increase by 5x to 6x in a matter of a few months afterward, due to the relief that bankruptcy was no longer nearly so likely (shareholders shifted back to valuing the company on its future earnings/growth/operating expectations). LVS gained so much so quickly, because the risk of bankruptcy was viewed as being so severe it had drastically depressed the market cap of the company.
Certainly if there were two identical companies, and one had $10B more in cash, the one with $10B more in cash would be worth more than the other company? I understand it's not 1-1.
I'm thinking completely theoretically, so if the world doesn't work like finance theory, fine. But I just can't see any way in which leverage, debt, cash, etc don't substantially alter the market cap of a company.
I'm thinking completely theoretically, so if the world doesn't work like finance theory, fine. But I just can't see any way in which leverage, debt, cash, etc don't substantially alter the market cap of a company.
adventured is having a really hard time with your phrase "two identical companies". The answer to your question is yes, if you had two identical companies and then gave one of them $10B in cash, that company would be worth $10B more.
Actually adventured is right on non-operating cash being usually discounted. In general the second company will not be valued at $10bn more than the first.
Would you rather have a $1 in cash and a $9 share in the first company, or a $10 share in the second company where $1 is the cash per share? The second case is more risky so you wouldn't pay the full extra $1 for the second share.
Of course it could also be the case that the spread is larger than $1, if the first company is too short on cash and there is a liquidity risk depressing the valuation.
Would you rather have a $1 in cash and a $9 share in the first company, or a $10 share in the second company where $1 is the cash per share? The second case is more risky so you wouldn't pay the full extra $1 for the second share.
Of course it could also be the case that the spread is larger than $1, if the first company is too short on cash and there is a liquidity risk depressing the valuation.
> The second case is more risky
Not if they're otherwise identical companies, it isn't. There may be reasons to expect a correlation between risk and cash holdings, or something to that effect, but ultimately a share in a company is a share of ownership of that company's assets. If a company didn't become $10B more valuable when given $10B in cash, where exactly did that value disappear to? Value doesn't vanish into thin air simply because it's now owned by a company.
Not if they're otherwise identical companies, it isn't. There may be reasons to expect a correlation between risk and cash holdings, or something to that effect, but ultimately a share in a company is a share of ownership of that company's assets. If a company didn't become $10B more valuable when given $10B in cash, where exactly did that value disappear to? Value doesn't vanish into thin air simply because it's now owned by a company.
Your loss is limited to $9 in the first case, but you can lose $10 in the second case. If you think this is not more risky, fine.
> Certainly if there were two identical companies, and one had $10B more in cash, the one with $10B more in cash would be worth more than the other company?
Not necessarily. If shareholders believe the company with the less cash has a better future, that is if future earnings/growth expectations are higher for the company with less cash, then said company may be granted a dramatically higher market cap.
Two companies with identical balance sheets, identical growth rates, and identical net income numbers, can have radically different market caps. It depends on how shareholders regard the companies, what they think their futures look like (and sometimes it even depends just on more ridiculous things like hype / herd insanity, as eg with the dotcom bubble, in which Cisco was given an extraordinary multiple off its earnings).
Walmart's balance sheet & profit picture were far superior to Amazon's at the time when Amazon became larger than Walmart in terms of market cap. Shareholders came to believe that Amazon had a far brighter future, in regards to growth etc etc. Amazon has been granted an unusual valuation for a very long time, on the basis of expectations of future growth.
Not necessarily. If shareholders believe the company with the less cash has a better future, that is if future earnings/growth expectations are higher for the company with less cash, then said company may be granted a dramatically higher market cap.
Two companies with identical balance sheets, identical growth rates, and identical net income numbers, can have radically different market caps. It depends on how shareholders regard the companies, what they think their futures look like (and sometimes it even depends just on more ridiculous things like hype / herd insanity, as eg with the dotcom bubble, in which Cisco was given an extraordinary multiple off its earnings).
Walmart's balance sheet & profit picture were far superior to Amazon's at the time when Amazon became larger than Walmart in terms of market cap. Shareholders came to believe that Amazon had a far brighter future, in regards to growth etc etc. Amazon has been granted an unusual valuation for a very long time, on the basis of expectations of future growth.
Issuing stock does precisely nothing to the valuation.
IE, imagine if they double the amount of stock.
Each stock is now half of the equity that is was before, so price would be cut in half.
IE, imagine if they double the amount of stock.
Each stock is now half of the equity that is was before, so price would be cut in half.
Issuing (and selling) shares DOES change the valuation. The price is not cut in half because the company is worth now more than before (it has lots of cash).
> Tesla is worth more than GM for one reason: the potential to one day be more profitable than GM, namely that enough shareholders are buying into that premise.
Elon musk created a narrative that is building a completely different way of manufacturing and commercializing cars that differs greatly from historical car manufactures.
If you accept that, current economic models that are used to value other car manufactures can't be used to value Tesla.
Elon musk created a narrative that is building a completely different way of manufacturing and commercializing cars that differs greatly from historical car manufactures.
If you accept that, current economic models that are used to value other car manufactures can't be used to value Tesla.
That's the same thing they said about web companies in the mid 90s.
That's right. Tesla aims to be the Google of that story.
The web companies that survived turned a lot of industries on their heads, and are still doing it. What did advertising look like before Google and Facebook?
Of course, that doesn't tell you anything long-long-term. Every ad and product used to have AOL keywords somewhere. Tesla may obliterate the auto industry, but what forms from the ruins may not have a place for them.
Of course, that doesn't tell you anything long-long-term. Every ad and product used to have AOL keywords somewhere. Tesla may obliterate the auto industry, but what forms from the ruins may not have a place for them.
Thanks for this outline.
What is a go-to place for finding data for such analysis? I would like to learn this :)
What is a go-to place for finding data for such analysis? I would like to learn this :)
Google Finance is actually a pretty excellent resource.
Probably GM's 10k statement.
Except that the MARKET values GM's stock at...exactly what it is priced.
I'm not an expert on this but I think the point was market cap is the value of all outstanding shares. Tesla raised money through venture capital while GM raised money by going to the bank and getting a loan.
Think about buying a $1M rental property. One guy gets 9 friends together and they each put up $100k for 10% of the house. The house/business is worth $1m. The market cap is $1m.
Another guy wants to buy a $1m rental property but he goes to the bank and gets a $900k mortgage. The house is worth $1m but the market cap is only $100k.
Since tesla and GM raised money very differently their market caps are not comparable.
Think about buying a $1M rental property. One guy gets 9 friends together and they each put up $100k for 10% of the house. The house/business is worth $1m. The market cap is $1m.
Another guy wants to buy a $1m rental property but he goes to the bank and gets a $900k mortgage. The house is worth $1m but the market cap is only $100k.
Since tesla and GM raised money very differently their market caps are not comparable.
The house's market value is the same as its market cap. It would still be $1m in both cases. How it was raised is irrelevant; you won't find a buyer for less or more than $1m if that is its market price.
GM and Tesla are both public market stocks. Regardless of how they raised previous capital, the market is valuing Tesla higher.
GM and Tesla are both public market stocks. Regardless of how they raised previous capital, the market is valuing Tesla higher.
"The house's market value is the same as its market cap."
That's because houses are quoted in total, not just the equity piece. Stocks are only the equity. (They could quote just the equity piece of houses. In that case it would be unhelpful to compare prices without checking the debt.)
That's because houses are quoted in total, not just the equity piece. Stocks are only the equity. (They could quote just the equity piece of houses. In that case it would be unhelpful to compare prices without checking the debt.)
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Now that makes sense. The article is mostly generic new-economy blathering.
We'll know in a few months if Tesla will be a success. For their Model 3, Tesla has to transition from being a high-margin low-volume manufacturer to a low-margin high-volume manufacturer. That's very tough. Few companies succeed at that.
Already, the price of the Model 3 has crept up. The base vehicle is supposed to sell for $35K, but in practice most models will be around $45K with upgrades. Maybe higher. Overpriced upgrades are where the profit comes from in automotive. That may be how Tesla escapes fighting it out on cost with Chevy and Toyota.
We'll know in a few months if Tesla will be a success. For their Model 3, Tesla has to transition from being a high-margin low-volume manufacturer to a low-margin high-volume manufacturer. That's very tough. Few companies succeed at that.
Already, the price of the Model 3 has crept up. The base vehicle is supposed to sell for $35K, but in practice most models will be around $45K with upgrades. Maybe higher. Overpriced upgrades are where the profit comes from in automotive. That may be how Tesla escapes fighting it out on cost with Chevy and Toyota.
I've found this article to be the most helpful for understanding how net debt and equity come together to comprise EV: https://www.wallstreetprep.com/blog/common-topics-of-confusi...
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Nothing to see here. The only thing the author actually says about Tesla is that they collect a lot of data from their cars. The only thing he indicates that may be useful for is self driving. Most of the text is just rambling about how awesome tech companies are and he obviously he doesn't consider GM or anyone in the auto industry to be a tech company either.
Really almost a content-free piece with respect to the headline.
Really almost a content-free piece with respect to the headline.
Tesla is worth more than GM largely due to speculation that Tesla will be able to ramp up revenues, margins and cash flows unbelievably quickly and expand far beyond a car company. Whether or not they have any chance of doing this is unknown, but the market is a huge fan of Elon Musk given his history of delivering innovation.
Historically, betting on immense multiples of revenue and earnings on negative cash flow companies has not worked out on average, but Tesla may not be average.
Regardless, I wouldnt invest in either company. Autos have historically been a terrible investment due to large capital requirements, low margins, a cyclical operating cycle, ugly pension requirements, and fairly expensive labor... We shall see what the future brings.
Historically, betting on immense multiples of revenue and earnings on negative cash flow companies has not worked out on average, but Tesla may not be average.
Regardless, I wouldnt invest in either company. Autos have historically been a terrible investment due to large capital requirements, low margins, a cyclical operating cycle, ugly pension requirements, and fairly expensive labor... We shall see what the future brings.
A minor point, but "...because of things like online shopping, which has put hundreds of thousands of retail workers out of a job."
Makes me wonder... the method of product selection and delivery have changed from in store browsing and carry out, to online browsing and delivery. Instead of sales personnel and cashiers, it involves warehousing (to a larger degree) and delivery vehicles. Employment in sales/cashiers therefore would drop, while employment in warehouses and delivery companies would have increased.
What are the relative ratios? For every x retail jobs lost, how many y 'logistics' jobs are created? Once automatic warehouses and autonomous vehicles are pervasive, is it a 100% loss?
Makes me wonder... the method of product selection and delivery have changed from in store browsing and carry out, to online browsing and delivery. Instead of sales personnel and cashiers, it involves warehousing (to a larger degree) and delivery vehicles. Employment in sales/cashiers therefore would drop, while employment in warehouses and delivery companies would have increased.
What are the relative ratios? For every x retail jobs lost, how many y 'logistics' jobs are created? Once automatic warehouses and autonomous vehicles are pervasive, is it a 100% loss?
I suspect it's really difficult to an exhaustive analysis required to see the full implications. It's easy to say 'this shop has seen foot count fall and when we interview people this is why they say they come less' (though with all of the problems such surveys entail), but it's less easy to see the magnitudes involved in the full pipeline - e.g. delivery workers who now deliver to customers instead of shops.
It ends up being more productive to look at much broader economic data, but that allows you less ability to drill into the specifics because you are looking at a much larger population, and have less ability to derive why something occurred.
It ends up being more productive to look at much broader economic data, but that allows you less ability to drill into the specifics because you are looking at a much larger population, and have less ability to derive why something occurred.
You could do a relatively dumb back-of-the-envelope by looking at employees/revenue for Amazon and other retailers. This would give you a basic estimate for how many jobs get optimised out by first order effects, counting only employees directly employed.
2nd order effects are harder.
2nd order effects are harder.
Employment in warehouses stays unchanged, because people are not buying more. They don't have more money to spend just by switching to online browsing.
I'm not sure this is true. Online prices tend to be lower than in store. So the cost of goods overall is lower and consumers effectively can buy more items.
Also, when considering retail, the shipments from warehouse to store are in bulk, whereas shipments direct to consumer are small numbers of discrete items, which requires more handling for picking, packing and shipping.
Also, when considering retail, the shipments from warehouse to store are in bulk, whereas shipments direct to consumer are small numbers of discrete items, which requires more handling for picking, packing and shipping.
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Deliveries surely require more people though? Delivering to a store is less efficient than delivering to 100 houses.
You are cutting out the requirement to build/lease a store and operate it - I suspect you could buy/lease and operate a lot of vans for the costs of a store.
> How did we end up with a digital economy dominated by a few big players? The simplest explanation focuses on what are called network effects
The simplest explanation is that antitrust enforcement started to lag in the '80s and became seriously deficient after 2000. Electricity, oil, telephony also had network effects.
The simplest explanation is that antitrust enforcement started to lag in the '80s and became seriously deficient after 2000. Electricity, oil, telephony also had network effects.
This reminds me of the many reasonable-sounding articles in the late 1990's that rationalized the sky-high valuations of dot-coms. For example:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1999/09/dow-36-...
https://hbr.org/1999/11/the-new-economy-is-stronger-than-you...
A few months after these articles were published, the stock market crashed... and it took the better part of two decades to recover.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1999/09/dow-36-...
https://hbr.org/1999/11/the-new-economy-is-stronger-than-you...
A few months after these articles were published, the stock market crashed... and it took the better part of two decades to recover.
> What’s more, where GM’s production led to eight jobs in its supply chain for every one person it employed directly, the ripple effects of the Big Five’s businesses, with the exception of Apple, are much smaller.
Would Amazon's ripple effect be pretty big too? All the products it sells have manufacturers (who have employees). Or is it better described by disintermediation, where a product that is sold via Amazon now would have been sold via brick & mortar before?
Would Amazon's ripple effect be pretty big too? All the products it sells have manufacturers (who have employees). Or is it better described by disintermediation, where a product that is sold via Amazon now would have been sold via brick & mortar before?
I think you've mostly answered your own question.
To some extent, Amazon presumably creates new sales (and hence new jobs in production) but this is almost certainly offset by the jobs it destroys (middlemen of various kinds).
AWS might have greater ripple effects (enabling new tech companies) but they themselves aren't large employers.
To some extent, Amazon presumably creates new sales (and hence new jobs in production) but this is almost certainly offset by the jobs it destroys (middlemen of various kinds).
AWS might have greater ripple effects (enabling new tech companies) but they themselves aren't large employers.
It remains to be seen whether Tesla will be able to sustain the success in cars. I'm more optimistic in the rocket business as the competition is limited. The automobile business is complex and scaling out their operation is going to be hard. Tesla's competitors have scale, suppliers who also invest and broad customer brand acceptance. They also have woken up.
China will soon provide battery capacity for cars in excess of what Tesla is producing. Autonomous driving on a broad basis requires a regulatory framework and that may well take time to emerge until there are other brands. The horizontal structure of the conventional car industry makes it likely that alternatives to Teslas autonomous drive will quickly spread across the traditional car companies.
Tesla may well build the best electric car for a long while but volume upside may be limited.
China will soon provide battery capacity for cars in excess of what Tesla is producing. Autonomous driving on a broad basis requires a regulatory framework and that may well take time to emerge until there are other brands. The horizontal structure of the conventional car industry makes it likely that alternatives to Teslas autonomous drive will quickly spread across the traditional car companies.
Tesla may well build the best electric car for a long while but volume upside may be limited.
Conflating market cap and total worth is a pet peeve of mine.
Market cap is "price of one share" multiplied by the total number of shares outstanding.
If you want to buy a small number of shares, you can probably just multiply to find the total price you would pay.
If you want to buy a large number of shares, or the whole company, you can't just multiply. You would need to get the current owners to sell to you, and they might either charge you a premium or refuse to sell. The total worth of a company depends on the distribution and type of ownership (among many other things).
Market cap is a fine shorthand, but serious analysis about comparing worth should control for several other things.
Market cap is "price of one share" multiplied by the total number of shares outstanding.
If you want to buy a small number of shares, you can probably just multiply to find the total price you would pay.
If you want to buy a large number of shares, or the whole company, you can't just multiply. You would need to get the current owners to sell to you, and they might either charge you a premium or refuse to sell. The total worth of a company depends on the distribution and type of ownership (among many other things).
Market cap is a fine shorthand, but serious analysis about comparing worth should control for several other things.
1) Because investors with too much money in their pockets believe the self-driving hype.
2) Because GM (and Ford and Chrysler) has a lot more unknowns and risks given its increasingly outdated dealer-based sales channel, along with decades of pension liabilities, and is ultimately in a precarious situation, see: the near collapse of the US auto industry in 2008.
3) Maybe most importantly, investors believe that ultimately Tesla will be purchased by a big tech company with money to burn (or by a traditional automaker in full panic mode). Apple could pay _cash_ for all of Tesla's outstanding stock and still have the biggest cash stockpile of any corporation in the world.
2) Because GM (and Ford and Chrysler) has a lot more unknowns and risks given its increasingly outdated dealer-based sales channel, along with decades of pension liabilities, and is ultimately in a precarious situation, see: the near collapse of the US auto industry in 2008.
3) Maybe most importantly, investors believe that ultimately Tesla will be purchased by a big tech company with money to burn (or by a traditional automaker in full panic mode). Apple could pay _cash_ for all of Tesla's outstanding stock and still have the biggest cash stockpile of any corporation in the world.
"Apple could pay _cash_ for all of Tesla's outstanding stock and still have the biggest cash stockpile of any corporation in the world."
Apple doesn't even want to be in the business of manufacturing iPhones - they outsource it to Foxconn. So why would they suddenly be interested in owning Tesla's huge car and battery manufacturing factories that employ thousands of workers?
Apple doesn't even want to be in the business of manufacturing iPhones - they outsource it to Foxconn. So why would they suddenly be interested in owning Tesla's huge car and battery manufacturing factories that employ thousands of workers?
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There are as many reasons as there are investors. Apart from financial returns, not everyone is in it for the same thing.
My reason for giving Tesla a higher valuation is different to the next guy. However, Tesla is a better starting point for capitalising on a low carbon future. Even the GM pension obligations factor into my hunch. Ultimately it is all about belief, in my case a belief in a zero carbon future.
My reason for giving Tesla a higher valuation is different to the next guy. However, Tesla is a better starting point for capitalising on a low carbon future. Even the GM pension obligations factor into my hunch. Ultimately it is all about belief, in my case a belief in a zero carbon future.
> The digital economy is giving us a world in which the benefits are concentrated among consumers and the Big Five who serve them. Everyone else just lives in it.
This is a really weird phrase. "Concentrated among consumers"? More than 80% of Americans use the internet, not exactly "concentrated".
This is a really weird phrase. "Concentrated among consumers"? More than 80% of Americans use the internet, not exactly "concentrated".
Apples to oranges. GM is a car company, while Tesla is an energy company.
People understand (and the article gives reasons why) "worth more than" to be that the GM brands + factories + assets + future prospects are worth less than Tesla brands + Tesla factories + Tesla assets + Tesla future prospects. But this is not true in actuality. This is because Tesla is worth more than GM based on Market Capitalization, not Enterprise Value. The difference between these companies is that GM has $51B in net debt while Tesla has $2.6b.
If GM wanted to be "worth more than Tesla" (using market cap), they could do it tomorrow by issuing $51B in new stock and paying off their debt. Why doesn't GM do this? Because they actually believe their stock is undervalued, and would rather buy their own stock than sell it.
Debt (leverage) is different across different companies. If you aren't familiar with how different debt levels affect the market cap, the following pages are worth a read:
https://medium.com/@ruzbehb/tesla-is-not-valued-at-more-than...
http://www.investopedia.com/exam-guide/cfa-level-1/corporate...
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/leverage.asp