How connected cars are turning into revenue-generating machines(techcrunch.com)
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How connected cars are turning into revenue-generating machines
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> already older than my iPhone/Hotspot
There's obviously a danger of severe obsolescence, like when all the analog cell towers got turned off. But even gradual obsolescence will be a problem, like the shift to LTE. Suddenly, your old car just got a lot older. But you can buy a new car with the new techology! Because to a hardware manufacturer like those in Detroit, "upgrade" means "buy new". There won't be the option to replace just the telematics unit on your 6 year old car.
There's obviously a danger of severe obsolescence, like when all the analog cell towers got turned off. But even gradual obsolescence will be a problem, like the shift to LTE. Suddenly, your old car just got a lot older. But you can buy a new car with the new techology! Because to a hardware manufacturer like those in Detroit, "upgrade" means "buy new". There won't be the option to replace just the telematics unit on your 6 year old car.
More than that.. Your device will see it's on a Wi-Fi network, and freely download software updates, do backups, etc. All the stuff it normally wouldn't do on mobile data.
I wonder what the general uptake of usage is? Anecdotally, do any HN readers use their car's Wi-Fi? Why?
I wonder what the general uptake of usage is? Anecdotally, do any HN readers use their car's Wi-Fi? Why?
I think the systems that are powering this are being phased in in relation to the US government's "smart roads" initiatives. This stuff starts becoming mandatory in 2020 or thereabouts.
There are pilot programs in place now where over the air motor carrier inspections and other road telemetry is being exchanged with vehicles. You're also going to be taxed based on mileage or other telemetry and certain classes of vehicles can have geofencing and other controls enabled.
There are pilot programs in place now where over the air motor carrier inspections and other road telemetry is being exchanged with vehicles. You're also going to be taxed based on mileage or other telemetry and certain classes of vehicles can have geofencing and other controls enabled.
The Buick thing is via Onstar and uses AT&T 4g.
This article was really hard to read. Here's my attempt at a summary:
* The author expects new cars to be networked and to have beefy CPUs.
* There are lots of cars, and each car will use lots of data. To network all these cars, you'll need investment from telecom companies like carriers.
* Today the car's systems don't talk to each other, or the internet that much. Once you network them, it'll be good for companies who make cars to see how their product is used in the wild.
* Now that you have smart cars, people can write apps for them. The author thinks this will be a large market with a few killer apps.
* Car's are really complex, and were not designed to be networked. You should expect a lot of security issues during this transition.
* The author expects new cars to be networked and to have beefy CPUs.
* There are lots of cars, and each car will use lots of data. To network all these cars, you'll need investment from telecom companies like carriers.
* Today the car's systems don't talk to each other, or the internet that much. Once you network them, it'll be good for companies who make cars to see how their product is used in the wild.
* Now that you have smart cars, people can write apps for them. The author thinks this will be a large market with a few killer apps.
* Car's are really complex, and were not designed to be networked. You should expect a lot of security issues during this transition.
In cars, "killer apps" takes a whole new meaning. Will Christine.app [1] be an unexpected hit on the carOS App Store?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_(1983_film)
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_(1983_film)
I feel like such a luddite for saying this, but this article makes me want to go torch a car dealership just to sabotage the idea of connected cars. This just sounds like marketers looking for new ways to shove ads where they don't belong.
Even well-established connected car technology like built-in navigation still sucks. I know people with built-in nav, but they all use google maps on their phones instead, because it works better and is more up-to-date. What does that say, if car companies haven't even gotten navigation systems right yet?
Even well-established connected car technology like built-in navigation still sucks. I know people with built-in nav, but they all use google maps on their phones instead, because it works better and is more up-to-date. What does that say, if car companies haven't even gotten navigation systems right yet?
If you think of it from an old-school, consumer viewpoint, "connected cars" are a solution looking for a problem.
This seems unusual, since automakers will eagerly save <$5/unit to place a deadly Takata airbag or that faulty GM ignition switch in a car. Why spend $50 to give me some shitty functionality that I don't need?
So obviously these investments are being made to address some tangible problem -- and "let's make more money" is a problem that everyone has.
This seems unusual, since automakers will eagerly save <$5/unit to place a deadly Takata airbag or that faulty GM ignition switch in a car. Why spend $50 to give me some shitty functionality that I don't need?
So obviously these investments are being made to address some tangible problem -- and "let's make more money" is a problem that everyone has.
That saying about how if you're not paying for the product, then you are the product bothers me. Because it implies that if you do pay for the product, you somehow get to avoid being the product.
Popularize a corollary! Paying for something doesn't protect you from being monetized.
Or something like that.
Or something like that.
That article lacks any useful ideas on how to generate revenue with a connected car. It's suggested that payment at gas stations could be automated, but that was first deployed in 1997 as Mobil Speedpass, and still has only about 3 million users.
Ads on the dashboard maps are likely, but you can get a map overlay with fast food restaurants now.
Monetizing tracking data on where the car goes seems almost inevitable. GM has such data from Onstar, but they're hesitant to do it. "If we can monetize that connection at some point then there is revenue potential, but selling a $20,000 or $30,000 vehicle, that’s where the value to GM is" - GM exec. They don't want to jeopardize the car business by trying to get a little extra revenue by selling tracking data.
Ads on the dashboard maps are likely, but you can get a map overlay with fast food restaurants now.
Monetizing tracking data on where the car goes seems almost inevitable. GM has such data from Onstar, but they're hesitant to do it. "If we can monetize that connection at some point then there is revenue potential, but selling a $20,000 or $30,000 vehicle, that’s where the value to GM is" - GM exec. They don't want to jeopardize the car business by trying to get a little extra revenue by selling tracking data.
The last American Airlines flight I took, the plane had no built-in screens at all. No TV, no movie, nothing. It was great. I think they realized that sinking money into their screens was just dumb - everyone who wanted to watch a movie or TV just their own device, etc.
The idea of cars using more and more realistic to bombard their users with "infotainment" is just awful. I want a car to tells me less and less because it needs to tell me less and less. Speed and maybe which lights are on and maybe fuel/energy gauge. I shouldn't need rpms or fuel mileage or whatever because the car should take care of this normally - emergency information is a different matter but the car should avoid emergencies.
The idea of cars using more and more realistic to bombard their users with "infotainment" is just awful. I want a car to tells me less and less because it needs to tell me less and less. Speed and maybe which lights are on and maybe fuel/energy gauge. I shouldn't need rpms or fuel mileage or whatever because the car should take care of this normally - emergency information is a different matter but the car should avoid emergencies.
American Airlines just made the in-flight entertainment free for all and is seeking to have more aircraft with seat-back entertainment, rather than less.
http://apex.aero/2016/08/19/behind-scenes-american-airlines-...
http://www.nasdaq.com/press-release/american-airlines-introd...
http://apex.aero/2016/08/19/behind-scenes-american-airlines-...
http://www.nasdaq.com/press-release/american-airlines-introd...
Better in-flight seat back systems and BYOD systems both seem to be happening. I'm not sure if there is a difference in philosophy with different airlines or if anecdotally-observed different approaches are just a matter of timing.
I could imagine airlines preferring systems, such as the one United is pushing these days, of customers using their own tablets/phones for reasons of cost/weight. It also gets customers onto their app and perhaps increases the rate of purchased WiFi.
On the other hand, seat back systems can run ads etc. and are often a premium service. They're also just convenient for a lot of travelers who may not have a charged and loaded device for everyone in the party.
I could imagine airlines preferring systems, such as the one United is pushing these days, of customers using their own tablets/phones for reasons of cost/weight. It also gets customers onto their app and perhaps increases the rate of purchased WiFi.
On the other hand, seat back systems can run ads etc. and are often a premium service. They're also just convenient for a lot of travelers who may not have a charged and loaded device for everyone in the party.
This is going to work only if we change cars every two or three years, like phones. Otherwise the (probably) immutable hw in the car will soon be unable to interact with newer phones and services. And the builtin services will soon look old and uninteresting.
So, is long term rental and automatic new car after two years going to be the new normal for car "ownership"?
So, is long term rental and automatic new car after two years going to be the new normal for car "ownership"?
There's a word for that. Leasing. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/business/auto-leasing-gain...
Which is generally accepted to be the worse way for any given individual to take possession of a car. Does it work in some cases? Sure. But overall leasing is just a way for people to drive cars they can't afford.
Great article. This makes a few assumptions about the future, but I can really see the potential here for media in cars that the author is getting at:
- Once the driver is no longer driving, they're going to pretty bored
- As the need for windows becomes less important, this area can be used for displays instead
- These lead to the potential for passengers to do something else with their time, such as watching videos, doing work, playing games, etc. like they would on a flight
- It's likely consumers may expect this experience without it coming from the data of their smartphones (less setup, better connectivity, not dependent on a phone)
- The new media systems and potential data subscriptions opens the door for lots of new revenue streams
- Once the driver is no longer driving, they're going to pretty bored
- As the need for windows becomes less important, this area can be used for displays instead
- These lead to the potential for passengers to do something else with their time, such as watching videos, doing work, playing games, etc. like they would on a flight
- It's likely consumers may expect this experience without it coming from the data of their smartphones (less setup, better connectivity, not dependent on a phone)
- The new media systems and potential data subscriptions opens the door for lots of new revenue streams
Does it speak TCP/IP? Someone is figuring out a way to use it to sell you to advertisers.
I'm a little surprised that "smart" TVs aren't mentioned; the situations seem very similar, and major brands (Panasonic and Samsung at least) have put ads in their smart TV interfaces. Maybe this is too much of a puff piece to mention such a disliked point of comparison (the author all but admits to being in the tank for "connected" cars)?
I guess if nothing else it ought to be possible to buy retired fleet vehicles without this crap.
I guess if nothing else it ought to be possible to buy retired fleet vehicles without this crap.
I just read a bunch of reasons to learn proper auto-maintenance to keep my current vehicles running for as long as possible.
I imagine a time in the future (months from now) when we will summon an Uber and it will list all of the stops it has to make along the way to deliver/pick-up packages.
We'll be able to sort our autonomous ride options by lowest number of stops.
We'll be able to sort our autonomous ride options by lowest number of stops.
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This is going to be a dumpster fire, at least for a while until the best overtakes the best-funded and marketed.
Let me run it in reverse. Let my connect my phone using my frequently updated hardware and the network that I want to use. I've got power so I don't care about the battery drain, and I gaurantee I will have a better speed/data cap/price relationship than whatever tiers they will have.
Better yet, instead of the crappy infotainment system make it Android and/or AirPlay capable and let the phone run the head unit and you just have a dumb display.