Marissa Mayer Makes First Yahoo Acquisition: Stamped(mashable.com)
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Marissa Mayer Makes First Yahoo Acquisition: Stamped
http://mashable.com/2012/10/25/yahoo-acquires-stamped/
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Great. Hiring your buddies by acquihiring their failing iPhone app startup.
Way to add to the conversation.
Hiring your "buddies" is WAY lower risk that acqui-hiring strangers. They are a known quantity AND they have enough loyalty that they probably won't bolt the instant they are able. They'll also probably work harder for you than the average acquihire.
This is how the world works-- and it makes sense. It isn't just bullshit "who you know rather than what you know". Moral of the story is that you should kick ass, work hard, and make friends with executives-- it'll give you an alternative to startup-death when YOUR startup fails.
Hiring your "buddies" is WAY lower risk that acqui-hiring strangers. They are a known quantity AND they have enough loyalty that they probably won't bolt the instant they are able. They'll also probably work harder for you than the average acquihire.
This is how the world works-- and it makes sense. It isn't just bullshit "who you know rather than what you know". Moral of the story is that you should kick ass, work hard, and make friends with executives-- it'll give you an alternative to startup-death when YOUR startup fails.
All you say is correct, even down to the "it's who you know line", but I disagree that we should exploit it or even tolerate it. It's just Cronyism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronyism) and my personal moral compass rejects it.
If you were looking for a job, would you call up the people you know or dive into the classifieds? When you hire a contractor, would you go with someone you know or a stranger? Relationships and social proof make the world go round. There's certainly a spectrum here-- but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
You miss my point. Cronyism is being hired for who you are, not what you know.
In answer to your question I would call up the people I know but I would expect them to only hire me if I brought the right skills.
In answer to your question I would call up the people I know but I would expect them to only hire me if I brought the right skills.
Cronyism is when one hires useless people just because they are beneficial for your own sake, not for the collective good. Wikipedia agrees "" The practice of favoritism based on relationships and connections - rather than someone who demonstrates top credentials and well-suited experience "".
The main question then becomes, were they hired more for relationship and connection or because of their credentials and experience?
The main question then becomes, were they hired more for relationship and connection or because of their credentials and experience?
Cronyism says nothing about the skills of the people. They may well be the best people for the role. It merely means they were chosen on the basis of relationship.
Then what do you call it when people are chosen because of their skills and their relationship with the individual?
A safe bet
So then don't also call it cronyism.
I didn't. If you are selecting people because they have the best skills then it's not cronyism.
"Cronyism says nothing about the skills of the people." Being the best has nothing to do with it. Cronyism "merely means they were chosen on the basis of relationship."
Therefore, if a person is chosen because of their skills as well as their relationship, it cannot be cronyism.
Now, can you honestly say the hires have absolutely nothing to do with their skills? That she merely hired friends despite their skills? Because they have specific skills that are valuable, and unless you can back that up with something more than a wild accusation, it's just you trying to stir shit up with pointless comments.
Therefore, if a person is chosen because of their skills as well as their relationship, it cannot be cronyism.
Now, can you honestly say the hires have absolutely nothing to do with their skills? That she merely hired friends despite their skills? Because they have specific skills that are valuable, and unless you can back that up with something more than a wild accusation, it's just you trying to stir shit up with pointless comments.
>It isn't just bullshit "who you know rather than what you know".
I dont believe in your assessment.
I dont believe in your assessment.
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You sound bitter.
If you've used the product, you can see that it was beautiful, usable, and the performance was solid. If we assume that the product is failing (even though they've raised two rounds of funding from seasoned and celebrity investors alike), we know that the team can execute well. Mayer wants to move to mobile-first, so acqui-hiring a team who know how to build well for mobile can be a smart move. It may also attract talent who respects that team. Perhaps Stamped wasn't growing like they planned, but I'm sure they and Mayer think that with the right direction at Yahoo they can do great things.
Who knows if it will work out. But it seems like a solid partnership for both sides.
If you've used the product, you can see that it was beautiful, usable, and the performance was solid. If we assume that the product is failing (even though they've raised two rounds of funding from seasoned and celebrity investors alike), we know that the team can execute well. Mayer wants to move to mobile-first, so acqui-hiring a team who know how to build well for mobile can be a smart move. It may also attract talent who respects that team. Perhaps Stamped wasn't growing like they planned, but I'm sure they and Mayer think that with the right direction at Yahoo they can do great things.
Who knows if it will work out. But it seems like a solid partnership for both sides.
raising funds != success
What was that comparison? No one says, "congratulations on that huge loan you just took out!".
I'm sure the team was great, but I'm confused as to why we should be lauding this state of affairs. If they were making money, then why should they all have up and left to go work at Yahoo!?
From the, admittedly poor on information and high on snark, position I'm comfortably seated on it seems like you had a great team that was wonderfully subsidized by VC that managed to save face with an 'exit'.
I'm sure it's really fun to go through the motions, but I don't really see the part where they added value; I only see an elaborate social signaling event (again, obviously the team is competent, filled with A players) fully subsidized by Yahoo! shareholders.
If I'm missing out on something I'd love to know about it.
What was that comparison? No one says, "congratulations on that huge loan you just took out!".
I'm sure the team was great, but I'm confused as to why we should be lauding this state of affairs. If they were making money, then why should they all have up and left to go work at Yahoo!?
From the, admittedly poor on information and high on snark, position I'm comfortably seated on it seems like you had a great team that was wonderfully subsidized by VC that managed to save face with an 'exit'.
I'm sure it's really fun to go through the motions, but I don't really see the part where they added value; I only see an elaborate social signaling event (again, obviously the team is competent, filled with A players) fully subsidized by Yahoo! shareholders.
If I'm missing out on something I'd love to know about it.
I wasn't equating funding with success. I was saying that labeling the product and company a failure even though very smart people who do this for a living have recently put their money behind the company is a leap. If the company was failing, why would these investors put in their money?
I'm not "lauding", I stated that it appears like the move that both sides want to make. A small company gets to take the lead on mobile where they can potentially make a very big difference, much bigger than they could make with their existing company, and really a rare opportunity that not many people get. Mayer gets good talent that she trusts to help lead an important part of her organization. If it works out like they all plan, then it makes those Yahoo! shareholders who subsidized that acquihire very happy.
I'm not "lauding", I stated that it appears like the move that both sides want to make. A small company gets to take the lead on mobile where they can potentially make a very big difference, much bigger than they could make with their existing company, and really a rare opportunity that not many people get. Mayer gets good talent that she trusts to help lead an important part of her organization. If it works out like they all plan, then it makes those Yahoo! shareholders who subsidized that acquihire very happy.
raising funds != taking a loan
And if you've ever raised funds then yes, it's an accomplishment and cause to celebrate. Just get back to work the next day.
And if you've ever raised funds then yes, it's an accomplishment and cause to celebrate. Just get back to work the next day.
Raising the value of your firm is not the only reason to celebrate as a company; successfully making it possible to continue operating/expanding for another year is a good thing.
And a loan would let you do the same. The comparison is valid. For some reason there's a stigma against debt financing because it has to be "paid back" in installments. Equity financing still has to be paid back, the transaction just has different mechanics.
Equity investments don't "raise the value" of the firm. They simply signal that other people with money believe you will generate X amount of dollars in the future. Debt financing involves signals, too: the interest rate reflects what other people with money think about your ability to generate X amount of dollars in the future (to hopefully pay back your loan). GE pays a very low interest rate on its bonds because of its value and perceived ability to pay back debt.
Equity investments don't "raise the value" of the firm. They simply signal that other people with money believe you will generate X amount of dollars in the future. Debt financing involves signals, too: the interest rate reflects what other people with money think about your ability to generate X amount of dollars in the future (to hopefully pay back your loan). GE pays a very low interest rate on its bonds because of its value and perceived ability to pay back debt.
Ha! I'm inclined to agree that their product was doing well simply because it was discontinued immediately after Yahoo bought them.
Isn't killing successful products what Yahoo is known for?
Isn't killing successful products what Yahoo is known for?
This type of snarky comment diminishes the level of discourse here. Please stop making them, and please encourage others to stop making them.
Your comment is far more meta than the OP, he makes a claim that Yahoo has propensity for killing acquired services... that's germane to the subject of this thread, yours is not...
"Meta"ness is not a problem here. Rudeness is. Comments like mine are necessary if the level of discourse is to remain higher here than other sites. Comments like the OP's are not.
If you need really good iOS devs this is an effective way to get them.
The founders don't appear to be devs, one guy is a product manager, another started his career as a tech manager. The other worked on "partnerships and marketing". Quoting crunchbase here.
If I were a formed stamped dev and now a Yahoo dev, I would quit Yahoo and form a startup. After all, Yahoo bought their work for lots of money.
If I were a formed stamped dev and now a Yahoo dev, I would quit Yahoo and form a startup. After all, Yahoo bought their work for lots of money.
I've began to think of late that this may be the most prevalent market inefficiency in the world. Hiring people you know without due process is a big reason for the incompetence that creeps into companies after a while.
This means that consistently hiring objectively while following due process could be considered a competitive advantage.
This means that consistently hiring objectively while following due process could be considered a competitive advantage.
Well, they were failing in terms of user traction and numbers yes, but the app itself was really nice to use, well designed and will give Yahoo a nice iOS developer talent pool to work with.
Buying a successful iPhone app start up would have been way more expensive.
Buying a successful iPhone app start up would have been way more expensive.
How can we all know if Stamped was failing? Care to share?
Here's how they've done:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s4/sh/80502dd0-c6d7-49f2-9a8c...
Definitely not a mobile success-- but they built pretty, intuitive, usable software that didn't break.
Definitely not a mobile success-- but they built pretty, intuitive, usable software that didn't break.
Yeah, the chart tells the story. I think they had a difficult time picking up traction. They did a kind of pivot recently when they added the ability to stamp books, music, TV, movies, iOS apps, etc. But when I used the app it was confusing and scattered.
I read a blog post by MG Siegler about Stamped a few months ago (http://parislemon.com/post/28144863354/stamped-is-it-worthy), but didn't buy his enthusiasm. Stamped seemed like too difficult of a concept/activity for the masses to understand and too broadly marketed for early adopters to get really excited.
I read a blog post by MG Siegler about Stamped a few months ago (http://parislemon.com/post/28144863354/stamped-is-it-worthy), but didn't buy his enthusiasm. Stamped seemed like too difficult of a concept/activity for the masses to understand and too broadly marketed for early adopters to get really excited.
The very first thing I though when reading this was one or all of these guys were former Google APMs.
Stamp's blog post about the deal: http://stamped.com/learn-more
Wondering why a talented group of developers that left one large Silicon Valley-based search company to form a startup would work for another large Silicon Valley search/media company.
Stamped was a very well-designed, well-thought-out app, but its failure to take off proves no one has cracked the "anti-yelp" recommendation app yet. Someone's going to figure it out.
It's great they are putting mobile at the forefront of their strategic direction.
I don't think Yahoo's web presence can be salvaged - they have just fallen too far behind Google, Facebook, and the multitude of other leading social platforms.
But mobile is a chance for Yahoo to reset it's identity, it's brand, it's UI, it's relationship to users. It has a chance to become cool again.
I don't think Yahoo's web presence can be salvaged - they have just fallen too far behind Google, Facebook, and the multitude of other leading social platforms.
But mobile is a chance for Yahoo to reset it's identity, it's brand, it's UI, it's relationship to users. It has a chance to become cool again.
That doesn't have to be true. It's still quite possible to build a website that grows to be huge. Although I would agree it's unlikely someone will build a portal-style site that displaces a Facebook or Google.
Congratulations to the Stamped team and good luck to Yahoo.
On another topic, has anyone else noticed Marissa's hands in that photo?
On another topic, has anyone else noticed Marissa's hands in that photo?
Why must this stupid shit appear on HN as well now?
She had a baby just a few weeks ago.
> "On another topic, has anyone else noticed Marissa's hands in that photo?"
WHAT THE. Here is a zoomed in screenshot: http://bluetide.pro/j6ch - What the heck is going on there? Bad Photoshop?
WHAT THE. Here is a zoomed in screenshot: http://bluetide.pro/j6ch - What the heck is going on there? Bad Photoshop?
What's up with this infatuation with Marissa Mayer? I don't remember reading about "Mark Zuckerberg acquiring Instagram" or "Steve Ballmer buying Yammer". Sheesh.
EDIT: Wow that was quick, three downvotes in less than five minutes. Must have missed the memo that she's the new Steve Jobs, or something.
EDIT: Wow that was quick, three downvotes in less than five minutes. Must have missed the memo that she's the new Steve Jobs, or something.
Practically all the coverage of the Instagram acquisition was centered around Zuckerberg personally. As a new CEO, her first actions bear close scrutiny, the same way Mark's did when his company was about to go public. It's not some special infatuation with Mayer specifically.
The headlines from back then:
* The Instagram Deal: A Mark Zuckerberg Production [NYTimes.com]
* Zuckerberg did $1 billion Instagram deal on his own [CNET]
* With Instagram Buy, Mark Zuckerberg Shifts Facebook Into Acquisition Mode [Forbes]
* Mark Zuckerberg Announces Instagram Acquisition By Facebook [Huffington Post]
* Instagram Was Mark Zuckerberg's Last Hurrah as Facebook's Hacker King [The Atlantic]
The headlines from back then:
* The Instagram Deal: A Mark Zuckerberg Production [NYTimes.com]
* Zuckerberg did $1 billion Instagram deal on his own [CNET]
* With Instagram Buy, Mark Zuckerberg Shifts Facebook Into Acquisition Mode [Forbes]
* Mark Zuckerberg Announces Instagram Acquisition By Facebook [Huffington Post]
* Instagram Was Mark Zuckerberg's Last Hurrah as Facebook's Hacker King [The Atlantic]
Mark Zuckerberg and Steve Ballmer didn't take the helm at dying companies with the expectation that they alone would lead a significant change. Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg have always been fairly synonymous. Yahoo and Marissa Meyer - not so.
Dying company? How so?
She's the youngest Fortune 500 CEO, what do you expect?
Many Google detractors (largely composed of fans of Apple, for what that's worth) see Mayer as, bizarrely, the anti-GOOG. They think she's going to open a second front on Google while somehow being universally aligned with Apple.
Bizarre, but there you have it. The people who are interested in / cheering for Mayer will almost always be carrying an iPhone.
Bizarre, but there you have it. The people who are interested in / cheering for Mayer will almost always be carrying an iPhone.