An update to UBlock Origin was rejected by the Chrome Web Store(github.com)
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An update to UBlock Origin was rejected by the Chrome Web Store
https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/issues/880
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Update: "We apologize that the update was rejected due to an snag in the review system. The updated item will be available in the Chrome Web Store within 30 minutes."
Just got the extension update notification, seems like update 1.3.2 has been released. Nothing like a top HN post to grease the wheels.
HN seems to be the official support channel for Google.
Headline is wrong. An update to the plugin was rejected (with the option to resubmit), but the previous version is clearly still in the store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpa...
I empathize with the developer, but Occam's Razor suggests this isn't anything more than a typically crummy vague Walled Garden app store rejection. I'd take their advice and re-submit.
I empathize with the developer, but Occam's Razor suggests this isn't anything more than a typically crummy vague Walled Garden app store rejection. I'd take their advice and re-submit.
Yes, it still is in the store as of now.
However the email I received is titled "Chrome Web Store: Removal notification for uBlock Origin".
In any case, it's just impossible for me to figure what is the issue. I could spend a inordinate amount of time guess-shuffling code around for no result.
Assuming the email title is misleading -- let's say uBlock Origin won't be removed from the Chrome store, there is nothing special in 1.3.2 compared to any other releases, and from the look of it I won't ever be able to fix whatever is deemed wrong without specifics, and as a consequence, no updates lead to abandonware.
Edit: I will add that with Firefox and Opera, there has always been communication with specifics when I was asked to fix something, and I always did fix as demanded (or suggested).
However the email I received is titled "Chrome Web Store: Removal notification for uBlock Origin".
In any case, it's just impossible for me to figure what is the issue. I could spend a inordinate amount of time guess-shuffling code around for no result.
Assuming the email title is misleading -- let's say uBlock Origin won't be removed from the Chrome store, there is nothing special in 1.3.2 compared to any other releases, and from the look of it I won't ever be able to fix whatever is deemed wrong without specifics, and as a consequence, no updates lead to abandonware.
Edit: I will add that with Firefox and Opera, there has always been communication with specifics when I was asked to fix something, and I always did fix as demanded (or suggested).
> Please reply to this email for issues regarding this item removal.
Have you tried telling them that?
Failing that -- if it were me -- I'd resubmit perhaps with the only addition of a README that briefly explains the file layout.
Have you tried telling them that?
Failing that -- if it were me -- I'd resubmit perhaps with the only addition of a README that briefly explains the file layout.
It looks like 1.3.2 was released a day ago. Have you tried reaching out to get clarification? I'd give it a week or two before buying pitchforks and torches. The app reviewers are fallible just like anyone els. It seems that you never have had this issue before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
> In any case, it's just impossible for me to figure what is the issue. I could spend a inordinate amount of time guess-shuffling code around for no result.
I’d caution against the shuffling code around to try to reverse engineer the approval rules. I tried the same with a similar extension (Adblock Fast) that got rejected for similar reasons (no reasons as far as I could tell). Result: my dev account got automatically suspended. I had to get a Google friend to get me unsuspended. Google seems to have added very aggressive automated approval and suspension rules. I’d reply to their email and see if they reply back first.
I’d caution against the shuffling code around to try to reverse engineer the approval rules. I tried the same with a similar extension (Adblock Fast) that got rejected for similar reasons (no reasons as far as I could tell). Result: my dev account got automatically suspended. I had to get a Google friend to get me unsuspended. Google seems to have added very aggressive automated approval and suspension rules. I’d reply to their email and see if they reply back first.
Are the block lists maybe considered code?
Updating them at first start would fit the description of not having them visible in the package.
Updating them at first start would fit the description of not having them visible in the package.
The filter lists which are selected by default are part of the package. An updated versions of these lists is progressively downloaded a few minutes after first install. But this has been like this since forever now, this is not new.
This demonstrates the problem here, we are left to speculate endlessly about what the is the issue(s) according to the Chrome store.
This demonstrates the problem here, we are left to speculate endlessly about what the is the issue(s) according to the Chrome store.
Or you could, you know, email them like the email says to do.
Looks like there's nothing wrong with 1.2, so we (the users) can just sit this one out, right?
But if the headline was "uBlock Origin Update Rejected from Chrome Web Store", we couldn't insight a digital riot. If something negative happens to a product or software that we like, it's better to burn everything to ground first with our knee-jerk reactions rather than looking for an explanation.
This is the same thing that we chastise other people for. Yet here we are ready to switch to FireFox and Edge due to what is surely an automated misunderstanding. We are better than this. If not, we _should_ be better than this.
This is the same thing that we chastise other people for. Yet here we are ready to switch to FireFox and Edge due to what is surely an automated misunderstanding. We are better than this. If not, we _should_ be better than this.
I've switched over from ABP to UBlock Origin. UBO is so much faster than ABP, uses fewer resources, and does a better job. And, most importantly, they do not get in bed with the ad companies to arrange for acceptable ads. There are no acceptable ads in my view (no pun intended). I block ads precisely because they use my bandwidth, they are a vector for malware, they interfere with my viewing of websites, they track me (this should be illegal), many, many more bad things.
In addition to UBlock Origin, I block DOM, HTTP/S referrer, CSS visited links (surfing history viewable by websites), block WebRTC (leaks private IP address schemas), and more. I have a right to a clutter-free Internet that is not tracking me, using my bandwidth without my consent, and doing everything to make money from me without my consent or sharing with me should it do so. No, thank you. I will continue to block all ads, tracking cookies, beacons, you name it. I somewhat enjoy the cold war between users and the ad companies.
In addition to UBlock Origin, I block DOM, HTTP/S referrer, CSS visited links (surfing history viewable by websites), block WebRTC (leaks private IP address schemas), and more. I have a right to a clutter-free Internet that is not tracking me, using my bandwidth without my consent, and doing everything to make money from me without my consent or sharing with me should it do so. No, thank you. I will continue to block all ads, tracking cookies, beacons, you name it. I somewhat enjoy the cold war between users and the ad companies.
Just a small minor comment, it's not possible anymore to leak browser history with CSS visited links like before because you can only change the color of the links now and not read it with the code. You can still make a page saying "click on the red squares" but that's about it.
Second time I see your comment, would you care sharing how you accomplish all this?
Sure.
I use Firefox and install the following: - Disconnect
- Ublock Origen (choose 3rd-Party block lists to suit.)
- Privacy Badger (no set up, just install, it learns as you go)
In Firefox, use about:config to change the following: - Toggle dom.storage.enabled to False
- Toggle layout.css.visited_links_enabled to False
- Toggle media.peerconnection.enabled to False
- Toggle network.prefetch-next to False
- Toggle network.http.sendReferrerHeader to 0 (zero)
- Toggle network.http.sendSecureXSiteReferrer to False
These settings have worked for me with no issues. I bank, do all manner of things online with no issues. I do, however, see no ads, no tracking, faster page loads, clean experience all around.
I use Firefox and install the following: - Disconnect
- Ublock Origen (choose 3rd-Party block lists to suit.)
- Privacy Badger (no set up, just install, it learns as you go)
In Firefox, use about:config to change the following: - Toggle dom.storage.enabled to False
- Toggle layout.css.visited_links_enabled to False
- Toggle media.peerconnection.enabled to False
- Toggle network.prefetch-next to False
- Toggle network.http.sendReferrerHeader to 0 (zero)
- Toggle network.http.sendSecureXSiteReferrer to False
These settings have worked for me with no issues. I bank, do all manner of things online with no issues. I do, however, see no ads, no tracking, faster page loads, clean experience all around.
> - Toggle layout.css.visited_links_enabled to False
Firefox lies[0] to scripts that try to access the style-state of visited links. You probably don't need to set this.
[0] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Privacy_and...
Firefox lies[0] to scripts that try to access the style-state of visited links. You probably don't need to set this.
[0] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Privacy_and...
>In Firefox, use about:config to change the following:
Don't those settings have any adverse effect on any web services you use, such as say Gmail or any finance-related site you use, such as say Amazon? Everything works the same as before (except for now not getting ads and wasting bandwidth)? Pretty good if so. Not familiar with this area, hence asking.
Don't those settings have any adverse effect on any web services you use, such as say Gmail or any finance-related site you use, such as say Amazon? Everything works the same as before (except for now not getting ads and wasting bandwidth)? Pretty good if so. Not familiar with this area, hence asking.
I had just switched back to Chrome from Firefox because I couldn't find a working mix of add-ons and settings that didn't freak Firefox out. Going to give this a shot. Thanks.
Thanks! I'll give this a shot. Maybe finally a reason for me to ditch Chrome and go the Firefox route.
Pretty cool set up, but why no NoScript?
uBlock Origin in advanced mode can also block (and temporarily unblock) Javascript, much like NoScript.
For me, I found uBlock Origin's advanced mode easier to use than NoScript, while blocking the same amount; the only thing I sort of miss is that NoScript attempts to "fix" some pages so they work even without Javascript, while uBlock Origin does nothing more than preventing the scripts from running.
For me, I found uBlock Origin's advanced mode easier to use than NoScript, while blocking the same amount; the only thing I sort of miss is that NoScript attempts to "fix" some pages so they work even without Javascript, while uBlock Origin does nothing more than preventing the scripts from running.
Do you have any experience with uMatrix?
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I'm using UBlock as well and will never look back, but in relation to:
> And, most importantly, they do not get in bed with the ad companies to arrange for acceptable ads.
Unless things changed, UBlock relies on some of the blocking lists coming from AdBlock so the sentence above might not be 100% true.
> And, most importantly, they do not get in bed with the ad companies to arrange for acceptable ads.
Unless things changed, UBlock relies on some of the blocking lists coming from AdBlock so the sentence above might not be 100% true.
In order for this to be true for Adblock Origin, there would have to be a toggle to allow acceptable ads. There is none. Even if their lists whitelisted sites, other lists would negate this.
I'm aggressive with regard to ad blocking and use I use the majority of UBO's adblock lists except for the foreign lists.
I'm aggressive with regard to ad blocking and use I use the majority of UBO's adblock lists except for the foreign lists.
>In order for this to be true for Adblock Origin,
I guess you meant UBlock Origin?
I guess you meant UBlock Origin?
well hopefully you don't have verizon, as they've announced plans to inject customer specific identifiers into all requests seen from their customers for tracking reporting and reselling. just fyi
I also switched from ABP to UBO, and I also feel that it does a better job out of the box and uses fewer resources, but it's a marked downturn in usability. Quickly blocking an element like an annoying gif is a breeze in ABP (with Element Hiding Helper), and also quickly seeing what's being blocked (CMD-Shift-V), or adding a custom rule. I have yet to figure out how to do any of those easily in UBO, and enabling advanced mode deliberately disables all mouseover help.
I'm close to switching back to ABP, but we'll see...
I'm close to switching back to ABP, but we'll see...
Just switched over, but I'm wondering what you mean by blocking DOM? are you using lynx?
CSS visited links are not able to be checked using javascript, so why are you blocking this?
Are you sure?
Could someone add some invisible 'before: content()' (or however that works in CSS) inside of an a:visited rule, and then check the DOM via Javascript to see if that content is there?
I haven't tried this, but it seems like it should work unless there is something specifically blocking that
Could someone add some invisible 'before: content()' (or however that works in CSS) inside of an a:visited rule, and then check the DOM via Javascript to see if that content is there?
I haven't tried this, but it seems like it should work unless there is something specifically blocking that
That doesn't work. Browsers are smart enough to limit what you can do with :visited.
See for example: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Privacy_and...
See for example: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Privacy_and...
Good to know, thanks
"no acceptable ads" - this is where the situation doesn't work out. Content isn't free, you either pay directly or indirectly. Ads are perhaps the best, easiest and most efficient passive payment system there exists today.
Yes there are a lot of bad actors and general crap that has damaged the industry greatly but that doesn't mean the model itself is somehow broken.
Not sure this falls under "rights" either - you definitely have the ability to do it but not a moral or legal entitlement to it.
Yes there are a lot of bad actors and general crap that has damaged the industry greatly but that doesn't mean the model itself is somehow broken.
Not sure this falls under "rights" either - you definitely have the ability to do it but not a moral or legal entitlement to it.
Really cool suite of tools there! Have you tried https://redmorph.com (shameless plug) ? It might help add to your arsenal of internet privacy tools or help you use less. Please let me know of any feedback you might have on it.
Quick question: is there an equivalent of ABP's CTRL_SHIFT_V shortcut in UBlock origin that opens the list of all the HTTP requests done by the page so I can block them manually one by one? Last time I checked I could not find it.
Yes. If you turn on "advanced user" in the settings, you can open uBlock origin from the toolbar and look at "+domains connected"
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ABP's resource usage is not that dramatic. It had a huge problem on Firefox due to an unsolved bug, but Mozilla solved it and now ABP runs without issues. I use ABP precisely because it has the notion of acceptable ads.
> I have a right to a clutter-free Internet that is not tracking me
This is where we disagree. No, you don't have such a right, not on other people's expense. What you do have is the right to not use services or products that don't follow your world view. You are free to choose and preferably vote with your wallet.
But you are not free to infringe on people's copyright. Do note that I'm purposely not using the word "stealing" because that's not the case here, but that doesn't mean that such actions don't harm other people or companies. And because of this mentality it's precisely why we can't have nice things.
Because you see, by using ad-blockers, we are not punishing the bad actors, we are not punishing the ones that sell people's activity to the highest bidder, we are not rewarding services like Vimeo which are asking for a monthly subscription, etc, etc. And this isn't just about ad-blocking. We can extend this talk to DRM just as easily. Besides a handful of exceptions, like Minecraft or Witcher, how do you like your DRM-enabled, free-to-play, pay-to-win, mindless counter games? Because I sure as hell am glad that I've outgrown this industry.
Case in point - Google has had Google Apps. For $5 per user per month, which is the price of 2 coffees, you get an ads-free Gmail experience and a contractual guarantee that they won't mine your data, your own domain so they can't lock you in, plus support which is actually good these days. And if you don't trust Google, you've got trustworthy alternatives, like FastMail. Out of the pool of people using ad-blockers and complaining about tracking, how many of them are paying for their personal email account, or for their cloud storage account? I bet that only a minority.
The MPAA and the RIAA have always made the argument that piracy leads to billions in losses. I personally don't agree with their judgement, because obviously, just because some shitty movie is pirated by somebody, that doesn't mean that in absence of piracy methods the pirate would have paid. But you know what - losses do happen, because when your eyeballs and your ears are focused on some shitty piece, it means you aren't focusing on something else and there are only 24 hours in the day (same problem the food industry has, a problem called "inelastic demand"). And so the britney spearses and the beyonces and the star wars movies in our society are winning anyways.
And I must say that I consider people attributing moral values or rights to their usage of ad-blockers to be hypocrites. You know, there's nothing wrong with our human nature that wants free stuff, but lets be honest with ourselves.
> I have a right to a clutter-free Internet that is not tracking me
This is where we disagree. No, you don't have such a right, not on other people's expense. What you do have is the right to not use services or products that don't follow your world view. You are free to choose and preferably vote with your wallet.
But you are not free to infringe on people's copyright. Do note that I'm purposely not using the word "stealing" because that's not the case here, but that doesn't mean that such actions don't harm other people or companies. And because of this mentality it's precisely why we can't have nice things.
Because you see, by using ad-blockers, we are not punishing the bad actors, we are not punishing the ones that sell people's activity to the highest bidder, we are not rewarding services like Vimeo which are asking for a monthly subscription, etc, etc. And this isn't just about ad-blocking. We can extend this talk to DRM just as easily. Besides a handful of exceptions, like Minecraft or Witcher, how do you like your DRM-enabled, free-to-play, pay-to-win, mindless counter games? Because I sure as hell am glad that I've outgrown this industry.
Case in point - Google has had Google Apps. For $5 per user per month, which is the price of 2 coffees, you get an ads-free Gmail experience and a contractual guarantee that they won't mine your data, your own domain so they can't lock you in, plus support which is actually good these days. And if you don't trust Google, you've got trustworthy alternatives, like FastMail. Out of the pool of people using ad-blockers and complaining about tracking, how many of them are paying for their personal email account, or for their cloud storage account? I bet that only a minority.
The MPAA and the RIAA have always made the argument that piracy leads to billions in losses. I personally don't agree with their judgement, because obviously, just because some shitty movie is pirated by somebody, that doesn't mean that in absence of piracy methods the pirate would have paid. But you know what - losses do happen, because when your eyeballs and your ears are focused on some shitty piece, it means you aren't focusing on something else and there are only 24 hours in the day (same problem the food industry has, a problem called "inelastic demand"). And so the britney spearses and the beyonces and the star wars movies in our society are winning anyways.
And I must say that I consider people attributing moral values or rights to their usage of ad-blockers to be hypocrites. You know, there's nothing wrong with our human nature that wants free stuff, but lets be honest with ourselves.
>a problem called "inelastic demand"
Inelastic demand means that the demand for a product is insensitive to price changes (ie a steep demand curve). No idea how that relates to what you're talking about.
>And I must say that I consider people attributing moral values or rights to their usage of ad-blockers to be hypocrites.
That's ironic.
Here's the deal: Anything that is open to me publicly through my browser is fair game. You don't get to control what I do over here as soon as that data enters my house. In the same way I watch TV, then get up and go to the bathroom, or read, or get food, when commercials come on. The cable companies don't get to tell me, "Hey, you have to WATCH the commercials."
If you are producing content and want to make money, take what you can get through ad support, or offer a subscription. If your content is worth it, people will buy it. Period. I have no sympathy for people who feel they have some sort of right to make money from website visits.
Inelastic demand means that the demand for a product is insensitive to price changes (ie a steep demand curve). No idea how that relates to what you're talking about.
>And I must say that I consider people attributing moral values or rights to their usage of ad-blockers to be hypocrites.
That's ironic.
Here's the deal: Anything that is open to me publicly through my browser is fair game. You don't get to control what I do over here as soon as that data enters my house. In the same way I watch TV, then get up and go to the bathroom, or read, or get food, when commercials come on. The cable companies don't get to tell me, "Hey, you have to WATCH the commercials."
If you are producing content and want to make money, take what you can get through ad support, or offer a subscription. If your content is worth it, people will buy it. Period. I have no sympathy for people who feel they have some sort of right to make money from website visits.
It's not copyright infringement to consume only part of something.
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What a magical world you live in where everything is free and no one needs to be paid for their work.
Ads have been abused by companies over the years but whitelisting sites that whose content and services you value and don't abuse you with those ads are the only reason they can afford to exist.
Edit: I get it, you don't want ads. People have abused them over the years and that's bad. My only point is that whitelisting (or donating/subscribing to where possible) the sites you value keeps those sites running. It's nice that some sites don't need financial support to pay for reporters, editors, producers, and photographers but that's not the case for many sites that do great journalism.
Ads have been abused by companies over the years but whitelisting sites that whose content and services you value and don't abuse you with those ads are the only reason they can afford to exist.
Edit: I get it, you don't want ads. People have abused them over the years and that's bad. My only point is that whitelisting (or donating/subscribing to where possible) the sites you value keeps those sites running. It's nice that some sites don't need financial support to pay for reporters, editors, producers, and photographers but that's not the case for many sites that do great journalism.
I host a half-dozen websites out of my own pocket with no ads. I pay for an Ars Technica subscription and don't view ads. Hacker News doesn't have ads, yet here we are. Wikipedia doesn't have ads.
I guess the world we live in is pretty magical!
I guess the world we live in is pretty magical!
Those are all subscription or donation (wikipedia) based examples. A lot of sites could never survive on those models or obtain the resources to manage them.
I'm all for blocking sites that abuse their users.
I'm all for blocking sites that abuse their users.
They all abuse their users in one way or another. Tracking me across the web? How about no?
What about distraction? Is time free now?
And that's before we get into the malware vector problems. The few tenths of a penny you got for me seeing your ad is much less than my hourly rate for cleaning up a network infected with the latest 0day du jour.
Is your (the collective your) company going to compensate me when one of your ads destroys my machine? No? Then I'm forced to conclude that you want the benefit with none of the responsibility.
The blockers stay on.
*ed I realize this comment sounds mighty dickish but I'm quite tired of advertising apologists demanding that I sacrifice my privacy, security, and time to access their all-important text. I decide if and how my computer renders a given piece of markup - if your business can't survive that, welp, not my problem. Fix your broken business model.
What about distraction? Is time free now?
And that's before we get into the malware vector problems. The few tenths of a penny you got for me seeing your ad is much less than my hourly rate for cleaning up a network infected with the latest 0day du jour.
Is your (the collective your) company going to compensate me when one of your ads destroys my machine? No? Then I'm forced to conclude that you want the benefit with none of the responsibility.
The blockers stay on.
*ed I realize this comment sounds mighty dickish but I'm quite tired of advertising apologists demanding that I sacrifice my privacy, security, and time to access their all-important text. I decide if and how my computer renders a given piece of markup - if your business can't survive that, welp, not my problem. Fix your broken business model.
I don't personally block ads, but I of course find all the arguments against tracking, malware, etc to be rather compelling, since they don't really fit any reasonable definition of consent, given many users' lack of awareness of tracking and the intentional failure of ad companies to be explicit about it.
> They all abuse their users in one way or another. Tracking me across the web? How about no? What about distraction? Is time free now?
But your comment reaches new heights of absurdity. Taking your attention is "abuse"? When you go to the store and they force you to pay for goods, is that theft and abuse? You're consuming a service for free, and the cost of that service is a modicum of attention. When we're not talking about the terms of the transaction being hidden from users, pretending that paying for services is "abuse" is frankly just pathetic. Grow up.
> They all abuse their users in one way or another. Tracking me across the web? How about no? What about distraction? Is time free now?
But your comment reaches new heights of absurdity. Taking your attention is "abuse"? When you go to the store and they force you to pay for goods, is that theft and abuse? You're consuming a service for free, and the cost of that service is a modicum of attention. When we're not talking about the terms of the transaction being hidden from users, pretending that paying for services is "abuse" is frankly just pathetic. Grow up.
When I go to the store and pay for one of their goods and am injured in the store, the store is usually liable if the conditions were unsafe.
People who plaster ads up on their site and trust Google/Facebook/whoever to vet the ads for not being malware vectors are being irresponsible. Again, this respect is a two-way transaction, and the people who slap ads up on their site have demonstrated none for me.
People who plaster ads up on their site and trust Google/Facebook/whoever to vet the ads for not being malware vectors are being irresponsible. Again, this respect is a two-way transaction, and the people who slap ads up on their site have demonstrated none for me.
1) Tracking is not as bad as it's made out to be.
2) You have to pay something for the content: a passive ad is far more efficient and actually more private than direct payment.
3) Malware/scams/etc are an entirely different problem. That doesn't mean the model is broken, it just means that there are bad actors that need to be effectively dealt with. Otherwise we could point to any industry and say it all sucks because a few bad guys did some bad stuff.
2) You have to pay something for the content: a passive ad is far more efficient and actually more private than direct payment.
3) Malware/scams/etc are an entirely different problem. That doesn't mean the model is broken, it just means that there are bad actors that need to be effectively dealt with. Otherwise we could point to any industry and say it all sucks because a few bad guys did some bad stuff.
1) We disagree.
2) No, I really don't. I didn't pay anything to access HN, or Reddit, or any of the other sites I browsed today, including ads. Somehow, the system is still working, the incessant crocodile tears of the advertising companies be damned.
3) The model is broken because this is a systemic problem, and that problem is a complete lack of vetting from the big ad networks and the sites that use them. It's entirely too easy for a random webmaster to log into Adsense/etc, get some random javascript code, slap it up on their site, and call it a day, without understanding the implications to them or their users.
With a lack of understanding comes a lack of care and/or responsibility - and without that care and responsibility, why should I hurt my privacy, attention, and security just so you can get a few pennies?
2) No, I really don't. I didn't pay anything to access HN, or Reddit, or any of the other sites I browsed today, including ads. Somehow, the system is still working, the incessant crocodile tears of the advertising companies be damned.
3) The model is broken because this is a systemic problem, and that problem is a complete lack of vetting from the big ad networks and the sites that use them. It's entirely too easy for a random webmaster to log into Adsense/etc, get some random javascript code, slap it up on their site, and call it a day, without understanding the implications to them or their users.
With a lack of understanding comes a lack of care and/or responsibility - and without that care and responsibility, why should I hurt my privacy, attention, and security just so you can get a few pennies?
Just because a single entity decides to run a forum for free (and reddit/hn are all user generated content) doesn't mean content businesses are all the same.
Again you're pointing to a model when the issue is the bad actors and the poor processes. Advertising is fine, it's the industry that needs to get better at technology and enforcing rules. Part of the problem is that this is a global industry and there's little regulation.
Publishers are getting a few pennies so they can produce content and run the site which you can visit at anytime and consume. You can choose not to go to that site - but you are still going there so there MUST be value you find there and that is what the publisher is working to be compensated for.
Again you're pointing to a model when the issue is the bad actors and the poor processes. Advertising is fine, it's the industry that needs to get better at technology and enforcing rules. Part of the problem is that this is a global industry and there's little regulation.
Publishers are getting a few pennies so they can produce content and run the site which you can visit at anytime and consume. You can choose not to go to that site - but you are still going there so there MUST be value you find there and that is what the publisher is working to be compensated for.
To say nothing of the harm advertising does in general: convincing people to spend money they don't have on products they don't need, or worse, are actively harmful. Like junk food, soda, cigarettes. And then you get into the shady shit like payday loans, scam products, fake products, the list goes on...
> Those are all subscription or donation (wikipedia) based examples.
That was precisely my point: there are other viable models than ad-supported.
> A lot of sites could never survive on those models or obtain the resources to manage them.
Tough shit.
That was precisely my point: there are other viable models than ad-supported.
> A lot of sites could never survive on those models or obtain the resources to manage them.
Tough shit.
> Tough shit.
Not really, it might hurt in the short term but it only gets worse for users to have paywalled/closed access, which will actually lead to more ads and tracking.
Not really, it might hurt in the short term but it only gets worse for users to have paywalled/closed access, which will actually lead to more ads and tracking.
The good old "there can not be free-of-cost content unless money is involved" fallacy.
I am a member of many communities whose hosting costs are paid by the communities, the administrative tasks are shared by members of the communities, I "consume" many sites which only exist because their authors want to express themselves, I use sites that exist because people feel the need to share their knowledge and collections of bytes. They all exist without a single ad. They exist because someone wants them to exist.
This comment was written and shared for free on the web without restrictions because I felt the urge to write it.
I am a member of many communities whose hosting costs are paid by the communities, the administrative tasks are shared by members of the communities, I "consume" many sites which only exist because their authors want to express themselves, I use sites that exist because people feel the need to share their knowledge and collections of bytes. They all exist without a single ad. They exist because someone wants them to exist.
This comment was written and shared for free on the web without restrictions because I felt the urge to write it.
How is this a fallacy?
It seems like you just cherry picked a few small sites and claim that if they can do it, everyone can.
Sure hosting costs are ridiculous cheap and now anyone can publish for next to nothing. But do you get all your content from your friends posts on Facebook? There's a reason why real original and valuable content requires dedicated staff to do it and that does cost money.
You don't look at movies and think "well that could just be done for free if they really cared about it" so why attribute that to good content that just happens to be in another medium?
It seems like you just cherry picked a few small sites and claim that if they can do it, everyone can.
Sure hosting costs are ridiculous cheap and now anyone can publish for next to nothing. But do you get all your content from your friends posts on Facebook? There's a reason why real original and valuable content requires dedicated staff to do it and that does cost money.
You don't look at movies and think "well that could just be done for free if they really cared about it" so why attribute that to good content that just happens to be in another medium?
I buy physical good newspapers and magazines with cash. They don't track me, they can't DRM paper, I prefer that.
Your first comment was how content can/should be free but now you're saying you paid cash for newspapers - how is that related?
The whole point is content does cost money, regardless of medium. Just because it's an article online doesn't mean it's free.
If you prefer a certain type of medium that's fine, but that doesn't mean other types aren't valid or hold value.
The whole point is content does cost money, regardless of medium. Just because it's an article online doesn't mean it's free.
If you prefer a certain type of medium that's fine, but that doesn't mean other types aren't valid or hold value.
Not all news and content creation can be done as a side job or hobby. The people who do journalism, create content, or support that goal of quality journalism need to make a living somehow.
It's entirely plausible that those things are not profitable enterprises any more. A user doesn't have to surrender his/her privacy to prop up a dying industry.
It's possible that journalism becomes supported by patronage the way art once was.
It's possible that journalism becomes supported by patronage the way art once was.
Absolutely. And I wholeheartedly think that enough people support high quality journalism. See the 1 million online subscribers to the NY Times.
The majority of online journalism seems to be regurgitated news agency reports and stuff that no one needs (or can get free from communities elsewhere).
lots of forums, blogs and aggregators perfected clickbait and cat picture distributions a decade ago.
The majority of online journalism seems to be regurgitated news agency reports and stuff that no one needs (or can get free from communities elsewhere).
lots of forums, blogs and aggregators perfected clickbait and cat picture distributions a decade ago.
You picked a particularly terrible example, since the Times hasn't stopped struggling since introducing an online subscription, and most depressingly, is starting to experiment with the same clickbait bullshit that Buzzfeed popularized (things like increasingly questionably labeled "sponsored stories").
Bytes are distributed over the public internet. He/she has a right to ignore the bytes he/she doesn't care about.
about: Newsroom developer
Ads from newspapers are one of the biggest vectors for malwared ads, because they have so many viewers. You're a very efficacious channel for the malicious. Because newspapers have proven incompetent at not endangering their readers.
If you have an exciting new method of not malwaring your readers, that hasn't occurred to every newspaper that's malwared their readers so far, we'd love to see it in action! Until then, you really can't expect readers to just assume your competence in the face of overwhelming evidence.
Possibly you need to explore business models that don't risk malwaring your readers.
Ads from newspapers are one of the biggest vectors for malwared ads, because they have so many viewers. You're a very efficacious channel for the malicious. Because newspapers have proven incompetent at not endangering their readers.
If you have an exciting new method of not malwaring your readers, that hasn't occurred to every newspaper that's malwared their readers so far, we'd love to see it in action! Until then, you really can't expect readers to just assume your competence in the face of overwhelming evidence.
Possibly you need to explore business models that don't risk malwaring your readers.
I worked for public media, the only ads we have are VERY basic PNGs served by DoubleClick or house membership ads for donations. Newsroom != newspaper and your assumption of how all news sites operate based on a few examples is incorrect.
"Where possible, make as much of your code visible in the package as you can. If some of your app's logic is hidden and it appears to be suspicious, we may remove it."
This is the policy it "broke" apparently. Despite the entire app being open source and commented, someone at Google could not understand his code and hence found it obfuscated or "suspicious".
This is the policy it "broke" apparently. Despite the entire app being open source and commented, someone at Google could not understand his code and hence found it obfuscated or "suspicious".
Textbook harassment here. Google is upset these guys are hurting ad impressions. I wonder if this is the beginning of an ad blocking backlash.
That's an enormous tinfoil hat, even by hn standards
What's "textbook" about it?
Google could eliminate all adblocking extensions from the chrome store instantly if they wanted to - but they haven't. This seems like, and now proven to be, just a mistake.
Google could eliminate all adblocking extensions from the chrome store instantly if they wanted to - but they haven't. This seems like, and now proven to be, just a mistake.
>Dear Developer,
>We apologize that the update was rejected due to an snag >in the review system. The updated item will be available >in the Chrome Web Store within 30 minutes.
>Thank you for your cooperation, >Google Chrome Web Store team
so a non story?
>We apologize that the update was rejected due to an snag >in the review system. The updated item will be available >in the Chrome Web Store within 30 minutes.
>Thank you for your cooperation, >Google Chrome Web Store team
so a non story?
That happened after this being at the top of HN.
Looks like someone from Google noticed and apologized https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/issues/880#issuecomment-15....
I work at a young startup (redmorph.com) building a similar privacy extension, and we've run into the exact same problem multiple times. While I understand that Google has a large volume of code to review, even an automated analysis tool could split out a line number and filename to reduce the guesswork :P
I have to add my shameless pitch to this thread, and I hope that fellow builders/entrepreneurs/startup-ers will emphasize with the fight to get attention/users:
uBlock is a great tool but it doesn't offer any network-level services, so you're still exposing IP/geo-location and potentially content sent over HTTP (as opposed to HTTPS). My company, RedMorph, will soon offer in-extension encrypted (AES-256) proxy at the first paid tier (we need to charge to cover infrastructure cost, it's still in beta) but you can download our free tracker blocking extension in the meantime. It's designed with usability in mind, so the average user can "plug-and-play". We're especially interested in empowering non-technical parents and children.
I'll be adding uBlock to this comparison soon: https://redmorph.com/articles/proof-in-the-packet.html
Thanks for your time, I appreciate thoughts and feedback!
I have to add my shameless pitch to this thread, and I hope that fellow builders/entrepreneurs/startup-ers will emphasize with the fight to get attention/users:
uBlock is a great tool but it doesn't offer any network-level services, so you're still exposing IP/geo-location and potentially content sent over HTTP (as opposed to HTTPS). My company, RedMorph, will soon offer in-extension encrypted (AES-256) proxy at the first paid tier (we need to charge to cover infrastructure cost, it's still in beta) but you can download our free tracker blocking extension in the meantime. It's designed with usability in mind, so the average user can "plug-and-play". We're especially interested in empowering non-technical parents and children.
I'll be adding uBlock to this comparison soon: https://redmorph.com/articles/proof-in-the-packet.html
Thanks for your time, I appreciate thoughts and feedback!
Not the first time Chrome Web Store people mess with uBlock Origin: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/issues/50
This is resolved now. Thanks sowbug !
Still worried about these "goofs" from walled gardens… Most of the time there is simply no way out for small developers.
Still worried about these "goofs" from walled gardens… Most of the time there is simply no way out for small developers.
The core reasons appears:
>"Where possible, make as much of your code visible in the package as you can. If some of your app's logic is hidden and it appears to be suspicious, we may remove it."
Which maybe true, but odd as the project is publicly hosted freeware. It could be a case of simply an automatic algorithm making an incorrect call.
Its also worth considering Google's primary revenue stream is advertisement, which uBlock attempts to subvert to a degree.
>"Where possible, make as much of your code visible in the package as you can. If some of your app's logic is hidden and it appears to be suspicious, we may remove it."
Which maybe true, but odd as the project is publicly hosted freeware. It could be a case of simply an automatic algorithm making an incorrect call.
Its also worth considering Google's primary revenue stream is advertisement, which uBlock attempts to subvert to a degree.
Careful with words. It's not freeware, it's free software.
I'd just like to interject for a second...
"Please reply to this email for issues regarding this item removal."
Maybe he could try that?
Maybe he could try that?
Google is famous for never responding to anything. Which is fine; that's their business model. However, it does mean that if they wanted to communicate, they would have included the full description of the issues, in the email that notified him of the existence of the issues. It's not like they sent him a tweet. Emails can include lots of detail.
Well, you are guaranteed they won't respond if you don't send a email to them.
I've sent dozens of emails to Google as both a general consumer and a business vendor. I've always gotten a response.
That reminds me... installs uBlock Origin
Apps that do controversial things with respect to Apple or Google seem to get rejected for seemingly random technical reasons a lot.
What does it even mean for code in a packaged program to be "visible"? It should be invisible! That's the whole point of packaging!
What does it even mean for code in a packaged program to be "visible"? It should be invisible! That's the whole point of packaging!
Apps that do non-controversial things get rejected for seemingly random technical reasons a lot too.
> Apps that do controversial things with respect to Apple or Google seem to get rejected for seemingly random technical reasons a lot.
This is regarding the chrome web store, not the play store. Also, I'm aware of Apple taking a pretty heavy handed approach, but I'm not convinced Google has a history of this.
> What does it even mean for code in a packaged program to be "visible"? It should be invisible! That's the whole point of packaging!
Perhaps you are assuming this is the play store instead of the chrome web store? Web store apps are just web pages. They want to ensure the packages are easy to inspect and understand. It's a rule that appears to be attempting to maintain open web standards. Given that this is HN, I assume that's enough of a justification for anyone reading this comment.
This is regarding the chrome web store, not the play store. Also, I'm aware of Apple taking a pretty heavy handed approach, but I'm not convinced Google has a history of this.
> What does it even mean for code in a packaged program to be "visible"? It should be invisible! That's the whole point of packaging!
Perhaps you are assuming this is the play store instead of the chrome web store? Web store apps are just web pages. They want to ensure the packages are easy to inspect and understand. It's a rule that appears to be attempting to maintain open web standards. Given that this is HN, I assume that's enough of a justification for anyone reading this comment.
It's hard to wonder if Google doesn't "have a history" when they banned all ad blockers from the Play Store and are (maybe) rejecting ad blockers from the Chrome Web store for vague technical reasons, particularly when their business model revolves around ads.
I am fully aware of which app store this is.
Chrome web apps support NaCL. Why do JS-based apps need to have readable source code?
https://developer.chrome.com/native-client/devguide/distribu...
Chrome web apps support NaCL. Why do JS-based apps need to have readable source code?
https://developer.chrome.com/native-client/devguide/distribu...
Yes. It's bad news and exactly why free software supporters need to keep fighting the good fight and spreading the word.
We can't allow technical oligarchies control over what we do with our computing, enacting stupid policies, with no outside visibility or accountability.
We can't allow technical oligarchies control over what we do with our computing, enacting stupid policies, with no outside visibility or accountability.
Could this just be survivorship bias? We don't hear about all the non-ad-blockers that got rejected by Apple or Google for the same reasons. If they wanted to ban apps like this, they would likely just ban them, instead of stirring the pot by taking them down and then putting them back online.
All apps get rejected for seemingly random technical reasons a lot.
Apps that do controversial things end up on the front page of Hacker News/Reddit, so you actually hear about them. The other apps just... die.
Apps that do controversial things end up on the front page of Hacker News/Reddit, so you actually hear about them. The other apps just... die.
The update is accepted as well now. https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/issues/880#issuecomment-15...
And it's resolved: "Dear Developer,
We apologize that the update was rejected due to an snag in the review system. The updated item will be available in the Chrome Web Store within 30 minutes."
We apologize that the update was rejected due to an snag in the review system. The updated item will be available in the Chrome Web Store within 30 minutes."
I think Google sometimes is vague when it comes to bans and take downs. There are times they don't give clear reason which part exactly of their rules and regulation was being violated. It then becomes a puzzle to solve otherwise it's a sad story for content owners.
It was just sorted out. It'll be in the store within minutes apparently.
Will this affect those of us who already have it installed?
In the immediate term, no, it shouldn't. The update was rejected, but the already published version remains up. There's nothing catastrophic in the earlier version.
In the medium term, yes, because if this issues can't be resolved then the Chrome version will be stuck on that version and lag behind other browsers.
And while there are hoops you can jump through, if it's not approved on the Chrome Web Store, it's not getting in your Chrome.
On the plus side, sounds like good news for Opera.
In the medium term, yes, because if this issues can't be resolved then the Chrome version will be stuck on that version and lag behind other browsers.
And while there are hoops you can jump through, if it's not approved on the Chrome Web Store, it's not getting in your Chrome.
On the plus side, sounds like good news for Opera.
Can you not install extensions directly any more?
Not in the Stable or Beta channels of Chrome. (There may be a way of re-enabling it, but frankly, Opera or something Chromium based.)
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/2811969?hl=en-GB
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/2811969?hl=en-GB
That should be fine. Only the update was rejected
Shouldn't but if it's taken down, you can just download the code from the repo and install it using developer mode.
From the developer above:
> However the email I received is titled "Chrome Web Store: Removal notification for uBlock Origin".
> However the email I received is titled "Chrome Web Store: Removal notification for uBlock Origin".
Nope.
Solution: Firefox
Since it now requires extension signing they could decide to revoke any extension they decide. Of course the process is more open, but it's also a walled garden :-(
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If it goes against Google business model, I could see why they'd wanna see the source code. Maybe to serve adds that can bypass the algorithms.
There are a bit less than 1000 lines changed from 1.2.0 to 1.3.2 (https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/compare/1.2.0...1.3.2) I'm pretty sure google's Chrome dev team could check them by hand in less than a day and be a little more specific on what is their real problem with this submission !
Besides findability, what benefits does the Chrome Web Store provide to extension developers? Does Chrome prevent or somehow limit the functionality of extensions that aren't coming from the store?
(I developed a few Chrome extensions 5 years ago and used to distribute them "by hand" to users, but haven't much followed what has happened since).
(I developed a few Chrome extensions 5 years ago and used to distribute them "by hand" to users, but haven't much followed what has happened since).
You can't install extensions "by hand" any more, unless you turn on developer mode. And then you see a nag screen every time you start Chrome. Unless you're on Linux.
https://www.chromium.org/developers/extensions-deployment-fa...
https://www.chromium.org/developers/extensions-deployment-fa...
Thanks for the answer and the link; didn't know that (May 2015: it's recent...)
Surprised by the downvotes, wasn't the question legitimate? Or is it obvious and old news for anyone but me...?
Surprised by the downvotes, wasn't the question legitimate? Or is it obvious and old news for anyone but me...?
What my predecessor said plus it comes with userbase. I made some extensions, never told anyone, one year later, poof, 700 users.