All these lists of what we have and haven't seen are merely anecdotal. That Tim Bray (and others in the last thread) has not seen it does not mean it never happens.
Conversely, while I have seen people crying and get a superficial 7-day PIP so the boss can rapid-fire someone litigation-free, I know that doesn't mean it happens everywhere. Likely all this has happened at MS/Goog/FB as well.
So is the culture toxicity level here above industry average? I think it is slightly, but it's not a huge deal if you're competent; those who are mediocre performers will be impacted most.
The "frugality" is annoying though. Total comp is comparatively low, we pay our own parking $250/mo (and you still might not have a spot!), no free snacks or even soda, and until last year, we had to steal a monitor from ex-employees just to have a 2nd.
1) Zero paternal leave. This may lead to subconscious hiring bias for men b/c you know they can't take paid leave. I'm surprised the S-team permits this, but I think they're all male anyway.
2) No free lunch ever. Facebook and Google both have them. Microsoft has free snacks I think. Several Seattle companies have catering on Friday. The Amazon Silicon Valley office has them only because there would be a revolt if they didn't. (Oh sorry, there's rumor of free ramen noodles on some floor in Blackfoot maybe)
3) On-call for all devs.
I think reddit had a thread series last year showing off what interns got at Microsoft, Google, etc. At Amazon, interns get to keep their backpack when they leave.
> What is wrong in the culture / education of engineering that people have to be taught this after they start working?
Whatever "customer experience" means is specific to an industry/company, not a universally agreed upon term. For Amazon, which is largely B2C, UX is critical. For other industries, delivery time may be more important. There are such things as tradeoffs, and in some cases, it makes sense to prioritize things other than an awesome UX.
Conversely, while I have seen people crying and get a superficial 7-day PIP so the boss can rapid-fire someone litigation-free, I know that doesn't mean it happens everywhere. Likely all this has happened at MS/Goog/FB as well.
So is the culture toxicity level here above industry average? I think it is slightly, but it's not a huge deal if you're competent; those who are mediocre performers will be impacted most.
The "frugality" is annoying though. Total comp is comparatively low, we pay our own parking $250/mo (and you still might not have a spot!), no free snacks or even soda, and until last year, we had to steal a monitor from ex-employees just to have a 2nd.