omgyeah · HackerTrans

It's like being trapped under water. We know that the oxygen will run out at some point. And there is nothing that we can do about it.

Also, there is nothing useful about realizing it.

We simply have to accept it.

omgyeah

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HA!

My ancient ancestors...

They were selfish imperialists that built their legacy with wars and slaves.

Even if we could do it again in the present day, personally I wouldn't want it. But there is no other way, is there?

And let's just think about it:

We could build today a monument that it would still be there in 3,000 years. But it would take the lives of 10,000 slaves. Should we do it? Shamelessly exploit people that will die anyway some day, so that we can show off in 3,000 years?

I vote for no.

And by "my country" I refer to the modern version created in the mid 19th century. There is no continuity with the ancient times (at least in political terms). And there was no country in the ancient times to begin with. Only city-states. A few rich and many poor :)

Therefore, I think that my country is definitely poor. Forever and ever.

omgyeah

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No, dude. Let's call it pure coincidence. Once in a billions.

omgyeah

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sold out politicians

omgyeah

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There ain't no right solution.

That's the biggest problem of them all.

Earlier, in biblical period, god would flush the toilet and things would start from scratch.

Now, we can't afford to flush.

omgyeah

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Exactly!

The problem is that the elected officials promised the exact opposite, in order to get elected.

omgyeah

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Now look. Greek politics drama follows:

Party A was in power until 2009.

During the 2009 elections party A said: "Oops! We're screwed! No more money!". Party B said: "No! Party A is lying! There are lots of money!".

Guess who won? That's right: Party B.

0.0000001 seconds later

Party B: "After all there is no money as we thought... But hey! We're in charge now! We'll save you! It's what we do best!". Nobody said that what they do best isn't very nice...

Forward to 2012.

Party B: "Vote us, so that we'll keep saving you with our great plan and our great banker friends!"

Party A: "Noooo!!! Don't vote for Party B! Their plan and their banker friends are baaaaaaaad!!! We have a better solution! A magic solution!"

Guess again who won? That's right: Party A.

0.0000001 seconds later

Party A: "Shit! Actually Party B's plan is the only real plan... But we are in charge now! Why bother to bring back Party B to keep going with their plan? We can do it as well! Probably even better!"

The End.

Desperate people? Yes. Retarded voters? Yes. Incompetent government? Not really. Corrupted government? Most likely.

omgyeah

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1: Because it's not a solution.

2: It's a temporary measure that will only lead to a worse temporary measure.

3: GOTO 2;

omgyeah

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You got me there.

I mean hard working bankers that deserve their 50,000% annual bonuses for destroying people's lives.

omgyeah

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Yeah, but Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain don't have any nukes ;)

omgyeah

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You should definitely have done that. But you'd won much less out of it. Now you can gain more.

omgyeah

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Unlike people, countries don't disappear. They have many (natural) resources standing still on the earth. Which can be used to pay back loan.

But greed is good. I can have both the other country's natural resources and $1,000 from my citizens. Win-win for me. Lose-lose for everybody else.

omgyeah

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Well... There are 5,000-euros suited thugs sitting in their offices relieving people of fiscal property.

Which is exactly the same as jackbooted thugs going into people's homes and relieving them of physical property.

And it's morally wrong. Like putting tags on people to make fun of them.

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Maybe you could sell some of your parents organs and buy a new car?

What is a better option? Maybe don't buy a new car?

Let them rot. They're too far away. I can't smell the foul scent. I don't care.

omgyeah

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The local governments and the local banks are bankrupt.

The local people are not bankrupt.

But they are soon-to-be.

omgyeah

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If you think that Greece and Cyprus are sovereigns, think again.

And Iceland chose not to receive "economic help".

Greece and Cyprus were forced to receive "economic help".

omgyeah

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I don't think that an actual once-and-for-all solution does exist.

People much greater than my humble me couldn't provide a non-temporary solution.

And I must admit that I don't carry the most temperate mind around.

At theoretical level, the only solution that is intriguing me for many years now is a society's hard reset via global bank run.

Rebuild everything from the ashes and maybe learn from the past mistakes this time.

Replace money with something else. Maybe something of non-long-term-accumulative nature.

But also, on the same time, find a fair way to compensate for the fruits of one's excessive labor.

Not the smoothest thing to do.

The inconvenience of millions will be the salvation of billions. Fair or not?

The real problem is that human's greed-driven ingenuity will abuse, overcome and nullify every kind of systemic fairness.

We live in an infinite loop of imbalance.

Unless the next asteroid is big enough and hits the target before we set our GPS navigators to the deep space :)

omgyeah

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As an earthling, reading superficial and insensible comments like this, makes very sad and eradicates my faith in humanity.

Of course, we had it coming.

Let's see your economy strive without the southern suckers.

Oh no, wait.

We have the chinese market now. Screw the southern suckers.

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Nobody blamed you for being consistent, organized, eager to work more and getting rightfully rewarded for it.

This is the way it's supposed to be.

Also the problem is not losing 6.75 of ours savings. For most Greek people it's 0 * 6.75 anyway.

The problem is that I am poor. My country is poor. My country was born poor. My country was funded from the beginning of its existence because of being born poor. My country has always been and will always be poor.

But now somebody decided that we are not poor enough. And there is nothing that we can do about it.

And while at it, that same somebody is trying to make your life less comfortable and blame me for it.

This is a scheme over personal economics. It escalates at country level. Further above what some countries or even coalitions of countries can cope with.

And let's not get started with black market money in Swiss or wherever banks. Everything is plain pretense.

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Let's just hope that this bank run will lead to a chain-reaction worldwide bank run, which in turn will lead to a much needed society's hard reset.

But it won't.