Hey thanks for this. I will indeed take you up on the "10 minutes blog" and put it on YouTube. I do it all the time during presentations.
I agree it's not just about the templates. We have support for scaffolding (controllers, views, migrations and more). Our models are POCOs, so they are trivial to write, and we have great helpers for that.
Agreed fully on #2. About time.
#3 - I haven't had to wait for anything. Most parts that I don't like I can and have just built my own parts for. The MVC Framework (and ASP.NET runtime) are pretty much pluggable up and down the stack.
As for the maturity piece, I think you're taking the VS comments out of context. I'm not saying MVC is an IDE and I'm not saying RoR is or isn't. My comments on this were from the segway from "tools" in the previous paragraph.
> Are you seriously positing all languages have same amount of activity and features?
No, I'm simply saying you can find bad features in any language. :o)
Again, I'm not saying "You have to drop what you're doing and try MS's implementation of MVC", I'm just saying, "Don't knock a horse before you try reading it."
I agree it's not just about the templates. We have support for scaffolding (controllers, views, migrations and more). Our models are POCOs, so they are trivial to write, and we have great helpers for that.
Agreed fully on #2. About time.
#3 - I haven't had to wait for anything. Most parts that I don't like I can and have just built my own parts for. The MVC Framework (and ASP.NET runtime) are pretty much pluggable up and down the stack.
As for the maturity piece, I think you're taking the VS comments out of context. I'm not saying MVC is an IDE and I'm not saying RoR is or isn't. My comments on this were from the segway from "tools" in the previous paragraph.
> Are you seriously positing all languages have same amount of activity and features?
No, I'm simply saying you can find bad features in any language. :o)
Again, I'm not saying "You have to drop what you're doing and try MS's implementation of MVC", I'm just saying, "Don't knock a horse before you try reading it."
Or however that goes.
Thanks again, great comments.