Smartphone ≠ smart home(medium.com)
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Smartphone ≠ smart home
https://medium.com/@senic/smartphone-smart-home-3b5af00c1bfd
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You can't be possibly talking about a light switch, right? :) That's exactly what I'm talking about. I want something as simple as a light switch to control the colors of my lifx, Hue or control my sonos speakers.
"We believe that the future of smart homes will not be found in a centralized device but in an integrated combination of screens, speech recognition, sensors, dedicated devices and smart surfaces."
I think the latter part of the sentence unintentionally describes smartphones. I would say that today's smartphones are integrated combination of screens, speech recognition, sensors, dedicated devices and smart surfaces. Pretty damn good as well.
I take issue with the first part of the sentence as well. I think we do want a centralized device with centralized software. People are sick of fridge operating one way and stoves working another. Take changing clocks on microwave, coffee machine, fridge, stoves etc for example. Don't you just hate doing it one by one? Not to mention the fact that they all have different interfaces and work differently.
I think the latter part of the sentence unintentionally describes smartphones. I would say that today's smartphones are integrated combination of screens, speech recognition, sensors, dedicated devices and smart surfaces. Pretty damn good as well.
I take issue with the first part of the sentence as well. I think we do want a centralized device with centralized software. People are sick of fridge operating one way and stoves working another. Take changing clocks on microwave, coffee machine, fridge, stoves etc for example. Don't you just hate doing it one by one? Not to mention the fact that they all have different interfaces and work differently.
I'm a little torn on this article, and even on your comment. I think the clock example you pick out is important.
However, if your clocks in all your devices are already connected via a centralized mechanism (say, for example, a standardized home automation bus/wiring/backbone), why is it necessary to set the clocks at all? One way or another, they could be connected to a time server. I don't (shouldn't) need an app to set time on any device.
If you're talking interface unification on each device (say, a touchscreen "standard" interface and OS), that is ... maybe desirable, but potentially impractical or unlikely. With eventual interfaces (to say, fridges or stoves or whatever) being "smart", it's going to become a key differentiator among brands, along with reliability, warranty, ease to clean, energy efficiency. So I could see the manufacturers pushing back on that.
Weighing in with my own anecdote, I have a Nest thermostat in my home. There's an iPad app which I have never used (other than to test) once to adjust the temperature in my home. I walk to the device and do it there. It's faster and easier. And the author of the article addresses this issue.
However, if your clocks in all your devices are already connected via a centralized mechanism (say, for example, a standardized home automation bus/wiring/backbone), why is it necessary to set the clocks at all? One way or another, they could be connected to a time server. I don't (shouldn't) need an app to set time on any device.
If you're talking interface unification on each device (say, a touchscreen "standard" interface and OS), that is ... maybe desirable, but potentially impractical or unlikely. With eventual interfaces (to say, fridges or stoves or whatever) being "smart", it's going to become a key differentiator among brands, along with reliability, warranty, ease to clean, energy efficiency. So I could see the manufacturers pushing back on that.
Weighing in with my own anecdote, I have a Nest thermostat in my home. There's an iPad app which I have never used (other than to test) once to adjust the temperature in my home. I walk to the device and do it there. It's faster and easier. And the author of the article addresses this issue.
Hey, one of the founders here. When we talk about integrated, we're talking about sensors integrated in the materials like tables and walls around us. It does not mean that all of these components should be integrated in one device. I did not phrase this well enough. Thanks!
I agree that we want a centralized intelligence. I personally don't want to carry my smartphone around all the time though. We can't we use what's around us like glass, tables walls or use small projectors that track your positioning?
I agree that we want a centralized intelligence. I personally don't want to carry my smartphone around all the time though. We can't we use what's around us like glass, tables walls or use small projectors that track your positioning?
"I personally don't want to carry my smartphone around all the time though"
There is an interesting cultural phenomena where a significant fraction of the population agrees with us, and another significant fraction thinks we're completely crazy, and the two groups do not believe the opposite party exists.
There is an interesting cultural phenomena where a significant fraction of the population agrees with us, and another significant fraction thinks we're completely crazy, and the two groups do not believe the opposite party exists.
Well, sure, bad interfaces to 'smart home' devices will be unpleasant to use. But most things like Wemo, Hue, etc. still let you hit their wall switch. Their 'smartness' is additive, if you have a screen to control them with.
Clearly the reason many connected devices expect you to bring your own screen is cost - Nest notwithstanding, adding touchscreens to everything when you've already got one in your pocket seems unnecessary, and would clearly add to price of these products.
Clearly the reason many connected devices expect you to bring your own screen is cost - Nest notwithstanding, adding touchscreens to everything when you've already got one in your pocket seems unnecessary, and would clearly add to price of these products.
I agree. And that's exactly one of the big changes that are happening. Prices for hardware components and manufacturing are dropping and we now have the ability to think about more suitable interfaces. I stopped using my lifx after a week because I did not have a fast and simple interface to control them.
What I am missing with all the smart home thing and only the Nest has done right is, that the smartphone is a personal thing. But switch on a light or similar is not a personal thing, if you are living with a family with kids. In particular if you have smaller kids, which don't have a small device and must be able to switch on the light or similar.
There are so much levels in terms of a smart home, that a smartphone will never be able to handle, because the later one is only a personal thing.
There are so much levels in terms of a smart home, that a smartphone will never be able to handle, because the later one is only a personal thing.
Also, stuff like light doesn't need explicit interaction most of the time.
If there are people in a room and it's dark, the light should go on.
That's the default case I want almost every time for every room.
I don't want to use my smartphone or do any activities for this.
If there are people in a room and it's dark, the light should go on.
That's the default case I want almost every time for every room.
I don't want to use my smartphone or do any activities for this.
I agree with the author's thesis, that smartphones, as generic information processing tools, offer poor user interfaces for controlling things in our physical environment.
Now, the cost and effort to manufacture hardware is dropping and we have the ability to create interfaces that are not designed as a generic device but designed for a specific person or situation.
This feels very true. The music industry has been taking advantage of this for a while, with all kinds of interesting and innovative tactile controllers interacting with music making software. In that domain companies like Native Instruments are addressing exactly the concerns raised by this article. (Interestingly, the author cites playing music as an example of how an appropriately-crafted physical device (i.e. an instrument) lets the operator focus entirely on the task by minimizing cognitive load.)
Now, the cost and effort to manufacture hardware is dropping and we have the ability to create interfaces that are not designed as a generic device but designed for a specific person or situation.
This feels very true. The music industry has been taking advantage of this for a while, with all kinds of interesting and innovative tactile controllers interacting with music making software. In that domain companies like Native Instruments are addressing exactly the concerns raised by this article. (Interestingly, the author cites playing music as an example of how an appropriately-crafted physical device (i.e. an instrument) lets the operator focus entirely on the task by minimizing cognitive load.)
You didn't mention the smartwatch at all in your essay. As someone living with one (a pebble) daily for the past year, many of the smarthome needs have been extending into working with the smartwatch, and they don't have the painpoints you describe.
Just as an example - for changing volume on my pebble, i do this:
1) long-hold the up-button (i have this binded to an app called 'music boss' )
2) hit up or down.
3) volume changes.
There's similar apps for controlling smart lightbulbs, etc, and pretty much expect this to be standard case on android wear / apple watch / microsoft band / etc. in the coming months.
Is there a "multi-user" factor missing that makes a case for products like Senic Flow? Yes, but that wasn't addressed in the essay.
Just as an example - for changing volume on my pebble, i do this:
1) long-hold the up-button (i have this binded to an app called 'music boss' )
2) hit up or down.
3) volume changes.
There's similar apps for controlling smart lightbulbs, etc, and pretty much expect this to be standard case on android wear / apple watch / microsoft band / etc. in the coming months.
Is there a "multi-user" factor missing that makes a case for products like Senic Flow? Yes, but that wasn't addressed in the essay.
You're right. I'm going to talk about them in particular in a follow up post. I wear a pebble as well and I used to use it to control volume. I see smartwatches taking a big place in smart homes. Our issues were that they were not a shared control, you still had to use vision as your primary sensor input, battery life, screen size and problems with connectivity. But I'm confident some of these issues will be resolved soon.
I like the idea of all of these things working together (phone, Pebble, Flow) to enable people to control their devices with whatever is available.
Yep. I'm really seeing a near-term future of using a touchpad or kinect-like device for control, but more importantly paired with the smartwatch for vibration feedback / engaging into a gesture mode. There's no hard rule that a watch has to only connect to a smartphone.
And if you look at the Apple's acquisition of Primesense (kinect-sensor folks) and upcoming introduction of 'Taptics' into the Apple Watch, my guess is that these things will work together.
I've been trying to prototype this as an experimental addon to my touch plugin thimbleup.com (and sure, I'd love to eventually make it work with Senic Flow too). Testers have noted making continuous gestures/controls need a bit of 'stickiness' to it -- something that makes the gesture feel that if you use it enough, you don't have to rely solely on your eyes. A smartwatch takes care of that if it can manage the battery-life of being a low-latency bluetooth mode to get feedback data quickly,
And if you look at the Apple's acquisition of Primesense (kinect-sensor folks) and upcoming introduction of 'Taptics' into the Apple Watch, my guess is that these things will work together.
I've been trying to prototype this as an experimental addon to my touch plugin thimbleup.com (and sure, I'd love to eventually make it work with Senic Flow too). Testers have noted making continuous gestures/controls need a bit of 'stickiness' to it -- something that makes the gesture feel that if you use it enough, you don't have to rely solely on your eyes. A smartwatch takes care of that if it can manage the battery-life of being a low-latency bluetooth mode to get feedback data quickly,
I have my previous-generation phone that I don't use anymore, plugged in, connected to wifi, on a shelf. It's an integrated combination of screens, speech recognition, sensors, dedicated devices and smart surfaces, and solves the multi-user issue because it's out in the open on a shelf, and it's not my personal device anymore so I don't have sensitive information on it. The apps are right on the home screen, no passcode, just a direct-to-the-app experience.
You can find a used nexus one, or a moto e, for example, on Swappa for less than $100.
You can find a used nexus one, or a moto e, for example, on Swappa for less than $100.
Smartphone controlled anything never feels great to me. If I have to type in code to unlock my keypad, then wait for an app to launch, just to change the temperature on the thermostat, it's already over.
On a similar note, I wanted to love the Chromecast, but I found the phone to be a terrible controller. Now I use a Roku, which has a great remote. Instead of my girlfriend and I crowding ourselves around a tiny smartphone screen to browse what we're going to watch, we bring up the Netflix app on the Roku and browse on the much more suitable TV.
On a similar note, I wanted to love the Chromecast, but I found the phone to be a terrible controller. Now I use a Roku, which has a great remote. Instead of my girlfriend and I crowding ourselves around a tiny smartphone screen to browse what we're going to watch, we bring up the Netflix app on the Roku and browse on the much more suitable TV.
Xbox One's voice control would be my preferred input mechanism for controlling my entire home - no unlock, no app launch, not even any picking up a device/remote. Microsoft must have plans about this though, because it seems so obvious after getting used to voice control on the console.
That's what Cortana is for.
For instance today if you have a Philips hue lights and a windows phone, you pick your phone, screen is off, you press the search button, and says "huestro, set my lights to ..."
Hopefully you'll be able to say that directly from your Xbox one microphone.
But this article is spot on, that's a reason Philips released the pricey "hue tap", a switch that frees you from using a smartphone
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/huetro-for-hue/f...
http://www2.meethue.com/en-us/the-range/hue-tap/
For instance today if you have a Philips hue lights and a windows phone, you pick your phone, screen is off, you press the search button, and says "huestro, set my lights to ..."
Hopefully you'll be able to say that directly from your Xbox one microphone.
But this article is spot on, that's a reason Philips released the pricey "hue tap", a switch that frees you from using a smartphone
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/huetro-for-hue/f...
http://www2.meethue.com/en-us/the-range/hue-tap/
Do you get accurate results with voice control? My success rate with attempted voice commands is something less than 50%. I wouldn't like that to be my primary mechanism for dealing with locks and climate.
With Android you can put the control apps on the lock screen. I have the control widgets for my Sonos on the lock screen of my Nexus 7 and it works like a charm. On the other hand I always have to unlock my iPhone if I want to controle my Sonos from it.
>Smartphone controlled anything never feels great to me. If I have to type in code to unlock my keypad, then wait for an app to launch, just to change the temperature on the thermostat, it's already over.
For one, newer smartphones will mostly come with fingerprint sensors. So no code typing there.
Second, apps launch almost instantly in any recent iOS or Android phone. It's not like you'll wait 1 minute for he app to launch or anything.
Third, "it's already over" over typing and app-launching wait time? Oh, the humanity. I've lived in houses where the thermostat was in a specific room, or even in the basement next to the heater.
For one, newer smartphones will mostly come with fingerprint sensors. So no code typing there.
Second, apps launch almost instantly in any recent iOS or Android phone. It's not like you'll wait 1 minute for he app to launch or anything.
Third, "it's already over" over typing and app-launching wait time? Oh, the humanity. I've lived in houses where the thermostat was in a specific room, or even in the basement next to the heater.
I think the parent comment is right,
>For one, newer smartphones will mostly come with fingerprint sensors. So no code typing there.
You're here assuming that people own the latest phone. You could have smart lights for $150 at some point, it doesn't mean that you have the latest smartphone with fingerprint reader.
>Second, apps launch almost instantly in any recent iOS or Android phone. It's not like you'll wait 1 minute for he app to launch or anything.
Again you're assuming people have the latest smartphones, also even if the app launch immediately, it takes some times to get a connection between your smartphone and your IoT device
>Third, "it's already over" over typing and app-launching wait time? Oh, the humanity. I've lived in houses where the thermostat was in a specific room, or even in the basement next to the heater.
_today's_ user experience with a smartphone is sometimes worst than controlling the device, just because it was much worse some years ago doesn't mean we have to accept it. It is like saying "Get this new car with a maximum speed of 30mph, it's OK people use to ride a horse back in the time"
>For one, newer smartphones will mostly come with fingerprint sensors. So no code typing there.
You're here assuming that people own the latest phone. You could have smart lights for $150 at some point, it doesn't mean that you have the latest smartphone with fingerprint reader.
>Second, apps launch almost instantly in any recent iOS or Android phone. It's not like you'll wait 1 minute for he app to launch or anything.
Again you're assuming people have the latest smartphones, also even if the app launch immediately, it takes some times to get a connection between your smartphone and your IoT device
>Third, "it's already over" over typing and app-launching wait time? Oh, the humanity. I've lived in houses where the thermostat was in a specific room, or even in the basement next to the heater.
_today's_ user experience with a smartphone is sometimes worst than controlling the device, just because it was much worse some years ago doesn't mean we have to accept it. It is like saying "Get this new car with a maximum speed of 30mph, it's OK people use to ride a horse back in the time"
Some of the first world problems of HN users using technology are beyond the pale. I was arguing mouse vs remote/phone for playing media on a media server, and someone's retort was that a mouse would require them to have a surface upon which to use the mouse at their couch. I've spent way too much time envisioning this mythical surfaceless couch and person.
Not that I spend a lot of time on couches, mine or others, but even if there is a "usable" surface nearby (I have no surfaces near my couch) it's usually a coffee table with terrible ergonomics for use as a controller plane.
But this doesn't seem like a major issue, since it really seems a tablet (or just your phone) solves the problem.
But this doesn't seem like a major issue, since it really seems a tablet (or just your phone) solves the problem.
Wait, what are these unusable surfaces? I have a $25 logitech wireless mouse and keyboard that I use roughly 8ft from the usb receiver. Besides the screen of my monitor, I actually cannot find a surface in my direct vicinity that my mouse doesn't track extremely well upon. This includes jeans, shirt, skin, paper towel, microfiber, drywall, carpet, rug, whiteboard, a glass coffee table (surprisingly), and books.
How can the capabilities of something as cheap, commoditized, and refined as a computer mouse vary so much that some people's mice are only usable on a small and inconvenient set of surfaces, while other mice have completely mastered the process to the point that nearly every surface imaginable works flawlessly?
How can the capabilities of something as cheap, commoditized, and refined as a computer mouse vary so much that some people's mice are only usable on a small and inconvenient set of surfaces, while other mice have completely mastered the process to the point that nearly every surface imaginable works flawlessly?
Indeed, perhaps I am being fussy about what kind of surface I prefer to use, and how precise I like the tracking to be.
I am inspired by your reply however to try to find another mouse which works well on glass, that would literally be a game changer.
I am inspired by your reply however to try to find another mouse which works well on glass, that would literally be a game changer.
I regularly struggle with an optical mouse on my couch or knee, when I need to poke netflix. It's manageable, but it's also annoying.
Third, "it's already over" over typing and app-launching wait time? Oh, the humanity.
My point isn't that it's difficult, it's that existing solutions are already better than the smartphone-based ones.
My point isn't that it's difficult, it's that existing solutions are already better than the smartphone-based ones.
I think actually you need both. The Amazon fire tv's remote is critical but I miss not being able to cast from a phone.
So much wrong with your statement...
Unlock with fingerprint. App launches aren't that slow on iPhones :/
How about an extension to do it from the notification center? Or even Siri? Neither requires unlocking.
You could technically have an iPhone plugged into a power source and activate Siri with "Hey Siri" and then do your thing.
Then.... we have the Watch :)
Unlock with fingerprint. App launches aren't that slow on iPhones :/
How about an extension to do it from the notification center? Or even Siri? Neither requires unlocking.
You could technically have an iPhone plugged into a power source and activate Siri with "Hey Siri" and then do your thing.
Then.... we have the Watch :)
And yet all of those actions pale in comparison to just picking up a remote with nice tactile buttons and using it immediately, no weird navigation, no apps, nothing.
I mean, I'd still use my smartphone as a remote for other reasons. But the parent does make a good point.
I mean, I'd still use my smartphone as a remote for other reasons. But the parent does make a good point.
So, instead of the phone (which for most people is always with you), have an extra task-specific remote, to feed with batteries, lose, and go fetch from another room when you need it.
Plus "nice tactile buttons"? 2005 called. Of all the things one would need those for, setting a thermostat (which takes like 5 seconds) is very low in utility...
Plus "nice tactile buttons"? 2005 called. Of all the things one would need those for, setting a thermostat (which takes like 5 seconds) is very low in utility...
Some people like using the human sense of touch. Just because there is not yet a billion-dollar corporation profiting from "tactile input devices" (http://research.nokia.com/publication/11833), doesn't mean we all have to buy into the marketing of "screens-and-rectangles" manufacturers who are optimizing for the visual sense.
When the iWatch launches, it will become "fashionable" to receive signals via vibration, i.e. tactile input. Apple and others will make sure we remember our sense of touch, because it has been monetized. We don't need to wait for each of our senses to be monetized, before recognizing that they are already useful with proven technology.
A special-function remote or panel has fixed positions and shapes that can be stored in motor memory, requiring minimal use of the visual sensory system, without the need for eye-hand coordination to push soft buttons on a smartphone.
Note: the act of getting up and sitting down is good for health, as astronauts will attest from experience in gravity-free environments.
When the iWatch launches, it will become "fashionable" to receive signals via vibration, i.e. tactile input. Apple and others will make sure we remember our sense of touch, because it has been monetized. We don't need to wait for each of our senses to be monetized, before recognizing that they are already useful with proven technology.
A special-function remote or panel has fixed positions and shapes that can be stored in motor memory, requiring minimal use of the visual sensory system, without the need for eye-hand coordination to push soft buttons on a smartphone.
Note: the act of getting up and sitting down is good for health, as astronauts will attest from experience in gravity-free environments.
The remote is always exactly where you need it, in front of the TV. As for batteries.. when was the last time you changed your remote batteries? How about the last time you charged your phone? I'll take my once-every-six-months battery replacement over the chance that I'll need to plug my phone in to charge while I'm also trying to use it as a remote.
And if you think that tactile buttons are somehow "over", you're wrong. They're tremendously useful.
And if you think that tactile buttons are somehow "over", you're wrong. They're tremendously useful.
Think larger, with ~IoT networks you can express richer abstractions. "ensure all rooms lights are off", "all rooms facings south don't need the heater on", "are my doors locked ?". For one off tasks I agree.
The connected lightbulb example is great. That's IoT as a novelty; it adds few/trivial new capabilities, and it adds a lot of inconvenience.
The flipside of this is IoT as a superpower: finding applications where you can truly use technology to give people a new ability that they didn't have before.
From the personal side, this IoT novelty versus superpower discrepancy is something we thought a lot about as we brought Pantelligent to the world (note: co-founder, https://www.pantelligent.com/ ). Our superpower is to let anyone cook great food, perfectly every time, through science. For us, the smartphone was the perfect user interface, because people are already in the kitchen with smartphone in one hand and spatula in the other! But our integration with the Pebble smartwatch hints at an even better future fit; the Pebble is great for cooking because it's waterproof, and it lets us bring real-time cooking data and instructions right to your wrist, even if your hands are busy.
The flipside of this is IoT as a superpower: finding applications where you can truly use technology to give people a new ability that they didn't have before.
From the personal side, this IoT novelty versus superpower discrepancy is something we thought a lot about as we brought Pantelligent to the world (note: co-founder, https://www.pantelligent.com/ ). Our superpower is to let anyone cook great food, perfectly every time, through science. For us, the smartphone was the perfect user interface, because people are already in the kitchen with smartphone in one hand and spatula in the other! But our integration with the Pebble smartwatch hints at an even better future fit; the Pebble is great for cooking because it's waterproof, and it lets us bring real-time cooking data and instructions right to your wrist, even if your hands are busy.
IoT idea that I would buy:
I have solar panels. I need to regulate energy use to be as much during the day as possible (on sunny days) but keep the total load below 3kw at any time (otherwise I need to go to the grid for extra power).
Make me a system that can turn on the dishwasher, washing machine, pool pump etc at the right time to minimize my electricity bill.
Bonus cred for checking the weather in my exact location, and taking into account coming cloud cover.
I'd pay up to $500 for such a device IF it also generated stats and told me how much solar energy I used as well as my export to the grid.
I have solar panels. I need to regulate energy use to be as much during the day as possible (on sunny days) but keep the total load below 3kw at any time (otherwise I need to go to the grid for extra power).
Make me a system that can turn on the dishwasher, washing machine, pool pump etc at the right time to minimize my electricity bill.
Bonus cred for checking the weather in my exact location, and taking into account coming cloud cover.
I'd pay up to $500 for such a device IF it also generated stats and told me how much solar energy I used as well as my export to the grid.
It's probably something that needs to be built inside appliances.It's called "demand response"(with relation to coal power, but the same tech should apply for solar power), and there's a big push behind it , including bills.
Your Kickstarter campaign appears to only show gas burners.
Is your pan useless with an electric element?
Is your pan useless with an electric element?
Works great with gas & electric stovetops, both resistive coils or flat-top glass. (But not inductive at the moment.)
Half of our team has electric stovetops at home; I think it's particularly a superpower there to know the real cooking surface temperature. Why Pantelligent is especially great on electric stovetops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRwQgvod2t4
Half of our team has electric stovetops at home; I think it's particularly a superpower there to know the real cooking surface temperature. Why Pantelligent is especially great on electric stovetops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRwQgvod2t4
I completely agree with the author here, far too much weight has been placed on the smartphone as the control device and UI for everything.
This problem has even spread to Sonos which discontinued the dedicated controller a year or so ago. You now have to use either a phone, tablet, or a full computer to select and choose the music you want to play. Granted their apps are well done but the overall experience is nowhere as responsive as the dedicated controller.
I really do not understand their decision, and would think it would be possible to offer a dedicated controller device these days at a reasonable price that they can make profitable.
This problem has even spread to Sonos which discontinued the dedicated controller a year or so ago. You now have to use either a phone, tablet, or a full computer to select and choose the music you want to play. Granted their apps are well done but the overall experience is nowhere as responsive as the dedicated controller.
I really do not understand their decision, and would think it would be possible to offer a dedicated controller device these days at a reasonable price that they can make profitable.
This article was a great summarization of the problems we face in our startup.
We actually haven't yet built a smartphone app, even though our customers have asked for it, simply because we don't know a good way to solve these problems.
Do you take the money and build the app anyway, or come back to them with a new and very different solution to what they asked for?
Take this problem, and apply it to an entire building of office tenants, and you can see why this is valuable to them. But it's one thing for us to create a product and make the sale. It's more important to me that they actually use what we sell them.
We actually haven't yet built a smartphone app, even though our customers have asked for it, simply because we don't know a good way to solve these problems.
Do you take the money and build the app anyway, or come back to them with a new and very different solution to what they asked for?
Take this problem, and apply it to an entire building of office tenants, and you can see why this is valuable to them. But it's one thing for us to create a product and make the sale. It's more important to me that they actually use what we sell them.
I noticed a lot of these comments ended up referencing challenges with lighting so I figured it would be good to chime in here (caveat: co-founder @ emberlight.co).
Interaction models are something we've been thinking about quite a bit and we've been exploring a number of options. New products like Senic that explore new opportunities are especially exciting for us. Here are 3 rough tenants we've been following when thinking about how people will interact with our product:
Btw, feel free to reach out directly for thoughts/questions/coffee: [email protected]
Interaction models are something we've been thinking about quite a bit and we've been exploring a number of options. New products like Senic that explore new opportunities are especially exciting for us. Here are 3 rough tenants we've been following when thinking about how people will interact with our product:
1) The smartphone is not the solution, it's a stop on the way to something much better. This is basically the point of OP's article and we completely agree.
2) If it's not broken, don't fix it. In other words, if there's an existing interaction model in the home that everyone is already used to (i.e. light switch, tv remote, wall thermostat) seriously ask yourself if that really (really) needs to change before inventing something new.
3) In slight opposition to #2 there are obviously huge opportunities to innovate the way we interact with our home. Some of the models that I'm quite excited about:
-The "dashboard" model that Sentri is building (http://sentri.me)
-The "voice" model: (i.e. Echo, API.ai, etc.)
-The "gesture" model which is what Senic and a few others are building
Btw, feel free to reach out directly for thoughts/questions/coffee: [email protected]
Is it just me? I find the term "smartphone" to be rather dumb. I prefer to call them handset computers.
I found myself in agreement with the post but then when I saw the flow it looked far too general purpose. And as a computer input device it looks like a nonstarter (sorta like leap). I was envisioning some very specific tasks.
It's 2014 (almost 2015). It's time my house knows to turn the hallway light on FOR me because it's night time and I'm walking in that direction.
Using a system like Z-Wave you can already do this. The problem is that as you need a lighting controller, multiple motion sensors and a base station it's not cheap - mainly due to licensing fees.
"mainly due to licensing fees."
I did that a bit more than decade ago with misterhouse using linux on my basement fileserver and X10 devices. Now I'd use insteon because its transport protocol is more reliable. AFAIK there are no license fees.
The expense is in labor. Set up and aiming IR sensors takes more time than writing the "program" for misterhouse. The inevitable labor expense of troubleshooting and fine tuning is huge. This is the main limiter for my own home automation. In the long run controlling my tropical fish tank and the security sensor lights that light the walk from my garage to the house pays off. My hallway to the bathroom doesn't pay off for labor. I hooked up the basement door sensor and got it to work and still haven't hooked up or automated the basement stairs light yet. Its a labor cost thing.
There are also severe depreciation/lifespan issues... a lot of non-automated hardware is designed, built, installed and paid for on the assumption of a 20-30 year working life. Most of the "new wave" of home automation is built to last till the runway runs out or the aquihire, maybe a year lets say. In the long run that is not going to help the entire market.
I did that a bit more than decade ago with misterhouse using linux on my basement fileserver and X10 devices. Now I'd use insteon because its transport protocol is more reliable. AFAIK there are no license fees.
The expense is in labor. Set up and aiming IR sensors takes more time than writing the "program" for misterhouse. The inevitable labor expense of troubleshooting and fine tuning is huge. This is the main limiter for my own home automation. In the long run controlling my tropical fish tank and the security sensor lights that light the walk from my garage to the house pays off. My hallway to the bathroom doesn't pay off for labor. I hooked up the basement door sensor and got it to work and still haven't hooked up or automated the basement stairs light yet. Its a labor cost thing.
There are also severe depreciation/lifespan issues... a lot of non-automated hardware is designed, built, installed and paid for on the assumption of a 20-30 year working life. Most of the "new wave" of home automation is built to last till the runway runs out or the aquihire, maybe a year lets say. In the long run that is not going to help the entire market.
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I will say that I think Leap motion[0] is another really well made "controller" that would be great for smart homes. It just "works" with their code out of the box. You can easily tell how many fingers someone has, whether they are tapping, grabbing, a couple other gestures, their 3 dim location relative to the camera, etc. I used one at a hackathon a few months back to attempt a Theremin and it was quite fun.
[0]https://www.leapmotion.com/
[0]https://www.leapmotion.com/
Interesting idea applying that to homes. Instead of the device watching/scanning out from a monitor to a keyboard surface, it could be a panel on a wall in your kitchen that recognises gestures performed nearby (like in the cubic foot in front of it).
I could imagine that learning gestures to control doors, blinds, background music, lighting and wake/sleep procedures like locking all doors, fading lights, putting devices on standby, etc.
I could imagine that learning gestures to control doors, blinds, background music, lighting and wake/sleep procedures like locking all doors, fading lights, putting devices on standby, etc.
>Smart homes are not a thing of the future anymore. Right now, 100 “things” per second are connecting to the internet. By 2020, more than 250 things will connect each second.
Probably unpopular in a programming forum, but, aside for people with physical difficulties, did anyone (e.g. more than a few outliers, not literally anyone as in > 0) ever asked for a "smart home"?
And before someone replies with the quote about "faster horsers", did anyone, AFTER shown one, went anything but "meh"?
Anybody that show not just as "nice to have, ok, move on", on the level of battery powered toothbrushes, but as something that really impacts your life.
Seems more to me, like a few other things in tech, like a solution in search of a problem. In the say way nobody asked or wanted those "if you want to talk about your credit card, press 3", etc, automated speech recognition call services.
Probably unpopular in a programming forum, but, aside for people with physical difficulties, did anyone (e.g. more than a few outliers, not literally anyone as in > 0) ever asked for a "smart home"?
And before someone replies with the quote about "faster horsers", did anyone, AFTER shown one, went anything but "meh"?
Anybody that show not just as "nice to have, ok, move on", on the level of battery powered toothbrushes, but as something that really impacts your life.
Seems more to me, like a few other things in tech, like a solution in search of a problem. In the say way nobody asked or wanted those "if you want to talk about your credit card, press 3", etc, automated speech recognition call services.
Depends how you phrase the question. Do I want a water sensor by my sump pump that will alert me if it overflows? Yes. Do I want to have my garage door close automatically if I forget to close it? Yeah that makes me feel safer. Do I want to be able to set the thermostat when I'm not at home? Yeah, that's handy.
Do I want to turn on lights, lock the doors, or raise the temp when I'm actually at home with a smartphone? No, that's just silly.
Do I want to turn on lights, lock the doors, or raise the temp when I'm actually at home with a smartphone? No, that's just silly.
I think the meh comes from poor implementation. I have LIFX globes I can control with my phone but they're a pain - takes too long to open my phone, open the app, wait for it to connect, etc.
Done well, I would be very keen for home automation. The two rooms at the front of my house have six privacy blinds and six blackout blinds. They are a huge pain to deal with and so I would find very useful a solution that automatically opened the blackout blinds in the morning and closed them in the evening.
Or tracked soil moisture and controlled irrigation around the various areas of my garden. Or handled home security/monitoring.
I thought Microsoft's original Surface (the projection table) was going to end up being a hub for this sort of thing to control a home, store media, browse media schedules, etc but it seems to have fizzled weakly.
Done well, I would be very keen for home automation. The two rooms at the front of my house have six privacy blinds and six blackout blinds. They are a huge pain to deal with and so I would find very useful a solution that automatically opened the blackout blinds in the morning and closed them in the evening.
Or tracked soil moisture and controlled irrigation around the various areas of my garden. Or handled home security/monitoring.
I thought Microsoft's original Surface (the projection table) was going to end up being a hub for this sort of thing to control a home, store media, browse media schedules, etc but it seems to have fizzled weakly.
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Instead of a $99 custom button, what about a sub-$99 Android tablet? You can put them anywhere you'd put the button, and leave your home control app running with the screen set to never turn off. Turning on/off a light with a touch will then be no more effort than flicking a light switch -- there's nothing to take out of your pocket, no waiting for an app to open.
This is how my home works. I built the app that runs on the screens all the time (a little node.js server and web app), and have a few tablets mounted on the walls. This is a screenshot from October:
http://www.dangrossman.info/wp-content/uploads/home2.png
Since then, I've added a bunch of new controls for dimmable lights and scenes (e.g. turn off all the first floor lights at once, or dim them all to the same percentage).
I built my own, but there are dozens of free pre-built home control apps in the Play Store. I find Wink's very attractive for example: http://i.imgur.com/DUWIwh3.png
This is how my home works. I built the app that runs on the screens all the time (a little node.js server and web app), and have a few tablets mounted on the walls. This is a screenshot from October:
http://www.dangrossman.info/wp-content/uploads/home2.png
Since then, I've added a bunch of new controls for dimmable lights and scenes (e.g. turn off all the first floor lights at once, or dim them all to the same percentage).
I built my own, but there are dozens of free pre-built home control apps in the Play Store. I find Wink's very attractive for example: http://i.imgur.com/DUWIwh3.png
I've had the same thing going for about a year now with some 7" andriod tablets I got from Aliexpress for $45 each. This is absolutely the way to go for smart-home stuff.
I found some fat picture frames at Walmart that attach them to the wall perfectly. Mine have front facing cameras so I used motion sensing to fade them in as you approach them. Its creepy-cool in a good way. Sadly, they don't fade smoothly all the way in from black like an iPad. I'm hoping to upgrade later to jailbroken ipads.
I found some fat picture frames at Walmart that attach them to the wall perfectly. Mine have front facing cameras so I used motion sensing to fade them in as you approach them. Its creepy-cool in a good way. Sadly, they don't fade smoothly all the way in from black like an iPad. I'm hoping to upgrade later to jailbroken ipads.
Absolutely!
I think it's lack of imagination about where you can use a smartphone for. You don't necessarily need to use the smartphone that's in your pocket!
http://www.bemo.io/ shows that you can have a thermostat with a nice display.
This is a personal opinion, but I consider most of the smartphone apps better designed than for example the graphical user interface of my microwave, thermostat, or laundry machine. I can't wait till these producers are gonna finally give up and:
1.) start to use technology from the smartphone hardware industry with respect to high-resolution screens
2.) start to use the technology from the smartphone software industry with respect to applications and catering to third-parties (app developers) with much better track record in nice interface design
That would really give the home automation stuff a swing!
Some other examples:
* http://www.getmyrico.com/ for security
* https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/xentry-transform-your-spa... for a smart door, but they didn't think it through w.r.t. charging, oops! :-)
* the best one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Dno6FMD3E the laundry machine from Samsung
I think it's lack of imagination about where you can use a smartphone for. You don't necessarily need to use the smartphone that's in your pocket!
http://www.bemo.io/ shows that you can have a thermostat with a nice display.
This is a personal opinion, but I consider most of the smartphone apps better designed than for example the graphical user interface of my microwave, thermostat, or laundry machine. I can't wait till these producers are gonna finally give up and:
1.) start to use technology from the smartphone hardware industry with respect to high-resolution screens
2.) start to use the technology from the smartphone software industry with respect to applications and catering to third-parties (app developers) with much better track record in nice interface design
That would really give the home automation stuff a swing!
Some other examples:
* http://www.getmyrico.com/ for security
* https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/xentry-transform-your-spa... for a smart door, but they didn't think it through w.r.t. charging, oops! :-)
* the best one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Dno6FMD3E the laundry machine from Samsung
This is really awesome and a good example of a cheap Android device as glass for software (what a world). Do you just have it instant-on when you push the power button? What about having it automatically wake up when you pick it up? (Since yours is a web-app, it might require you to use something like Tasker to do it.)
I mounted the tablets on walls with $10 kits from Amazon that use those 3M removable strips to hold the mounts, and drilled small holes for charging cords. I have the screens set to never turn off, and leave the browser open. So all the buttons are always just there on the wall, ready to be pressed. Nothing needs to wake up first.
BTW, Windows 8 8" tablets are now under $100 at Wal-Mart and Best Buy, so you aren't even limited to Android for this kind of thing anymore.
BTW, Windows 8 8" tablets are now under $100 at Wal-Mart and Best Buy, so you aren't even limited to Android for this kind of thing anymore.
Hah, that's amazing. Great solution. If I had a house, I'd put together something like that, but with a Qi wireless charger with the magnet holding it up (hopefully strong enough).
Still waiting for home automation widgets to come down in price so I have an excuse to install a lot of them in my apartment.
Still waiting for home automation widgets to come down in price so I have an excuse to install a lot of them in my apartment.
Is there value in that context for a tablet with an e-ink display that's movable and could last long without recharging ?
Nice, I've done similar but used a nexus 7 with a modded kernel so I can double tap the screen to turn it on.
Can we see a photo of your setup? sounds pretty good.
NFC would be a great intermediate solution to address this problem. Here's hoping that at the next WWDC, Apple will open up their NXP chip to everyone.
I feel like I must be missing something about the concept of a "smart home". Why can't I just leave the light switch (or any other controller) how it is and just have an additional Internet-based fancy control for automation or use when I am away from home? I don't see the need for any new control interfaces for things I can already control perfectly well.
Smartphones are not a good way to control things in the real world because there's no tactile feedback. So the only feedback is on the screen, which you have to look at, instead of the real world thing you're controlling.
I think its perfectly expect-able that an actual smart home be accessible through a variety of modalities and methods. There's no reason why there shouldn't be smartphone access. But there's also no reason why there shouldn't also be the ability to use voice commands (not through your smartphone), direct wall controls, 'dumb' (relatively) physical remotes, etc etc.
For example, I don't always walk around my house with my phone. Sometimes I wear pants/shorts without pockets. Or I have to leave my phone plugged in somewhere cause it's charging. Or maybe cause I'm taking a shower and realized that I may have left the oven on and my roommate is out and I left my phone in my bedroom, and it would be awesome to be able to yell a question to my house and just have to dealt with. Or I have friend over and I want them to be able to play around with some of the coolness, but I don't want to fuck around with getting them to install the app, and syncing the authentication code, etc etc.
I mean, we can 'argue' about cost. But seriously, you're wiring up your house for automation and remote access. Enabling additional access nodes is a relatively tiny opportunity cost.
For example, I don't always walk around my house with my phone. Sometimes I wear pants/shorts without pockets. Or I have to leave my phone plugged in somewhere cause it's charging. Or maybe cause I'm taking a shower and realized that I may have left the oven on and my roommate is out and I left my phone in my bedroom, and it would be awesome to be able to yell a question to my house and just have to dealt with. Or I have friend over and I want them to be able to play around with some of the coolness, but I don't want to fuck around with getting them to install the app, and syncing the authentication code, etc etc.
I mean, we can 'argue' about cost. But seriously, you're wiring up your house for automation and remote access. Enabling additional access nodes is a relatively tiny opportunity cost.
Maybe it's top secret, worthy of some serious VC. But you can probably guess what it is :-)
Now smart phones - she gets those too but she finds it so annoying. Adverts on youtube serve to cause confusion. That action bar on the Android is annoying. She says 'waaah' when the screen is locked. Etc.