Why Chris Hughes And Google Are Giving Cash Directly To The Poorest(forbes.com)
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Why Chris Hughes And Google Are Giving Cash Directly To The Poorest
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kerryadolan/2013/05/28/why-google-and-facebook-cofounder-chris-hughes-are-giving-cash-directly-to-the-poorest/
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I've been thinking a lot about basic income schemes lately, which do exactly that for everyone (not just the poor, though they'd benefit the most). You calculate how much it costs a person to pay their basic living expenses: food, a decent place to live, maybe a transit pass. Then you pay everyone in the population that amount of money each month, unconditionally (no means testing).
I once calculated that such a system, if applied in Canada, would require something like a 36% flat income tax if it were entirely funded that way, and it would have a break-even point at about $65k annual income (below that, you receive more than you put in). I expect the situation in the US to be similar.
Part of that cost could be offset by reducing or eliminating existing welfare and social security programs, including food stamps, employment insurance, and subsidized housing. It would also let you eliminate minimum wage, since you no longer have to be concerned about wages covering basic living expenses.
There are a lot of questions about how this would affect an economy. Would it cause massive inflation? Unemployment? Substance abuse? Or would it be the most effective social program ever? I have no idea. But I think it's worth a try. My hunch is that you will see all of those negative effects increase somewhat (inflation, unemployment, substance abuse) or in some people, but that the positive effects will greatly outweigh the negatives.
You needn't implement it all at once. You could apply it first to a random sample, say 1% of the population. Those people receive basic income and pay the tax required to fund it. They would also become ineligible for the social programs that would be removed if you rolled it out nationally (the details of that part may be tricky). Only roll it out to the whole population if the results are positive after a few years.
I once calculated that such a system, if applied in Canada, would require something like a 36% flat income tax if it were entirely funded that way, and it would have a break-even point at about $65k annual income (below that, you receive more than you put in). I expect the situation in the US to be similar.
Part of that cost could be offset by reducing or eliminating existing welfare and social security programs, including food stamps, employment insurance, and subsidized housing. It would also let you eliminate minimum wage, since you no longer have to be concerned about wages covering basic living expenses.
There are a lot of questions about how this would affect an economy. Would it cause massive inflation? Unemployment? Substance abuse? Or would it be the most effective social program ever? I have no idea. But I think it's worth a try. My hunch is that you will see all of those negative effects increase somewhat (inflation, unemployment, substance abuse) or in some people, but that the positive effects will greatly outweigh the negatives.
You needn't implement it all at once. You could apply it first to a random sample, say 1% of the population. Those people receive basic income and pay the tax required to fund it. They would also become ineligible for the social programs that would be removed if you rolled it out nationally (the details of that part may be tricky). Only roll it out to the whole population if the results are positive after a few years.
If wages fall, particularly if we remove minimum wage, the required tax rate to support the system will go up, as will the break-even point.
This may be true. But there are also be factors that may cause people to increase their income. Perhaps the extra money lets them invest in education (everything from skills training to a university degree), relocate to somewhere with a better market for the skills they have, or start a business using the basic income as their bootstrapping fund.
It's hard to say how things will balance out. That's why I'm in favour of some sort of systematic test of the concept.
It's hard to say how things will balance out. That's why I'm in favour of some sort of systematic test of the concept.
Over the past two or three decades in the United States there has in fact been a big shift away from targeted anti-poverty programs in favor of just giving cash to the poor. At the federal level, this has meant big increases in the earned-income and child tax credits and relatively less funding for housing and food subsidies and other hand-outs in kind.
The idea that people can allocate resources for themselves better than somebody else can do for them has an interesting tie-in to today's debate about what policies we should pursue to stimulate economic growth. The basic Keynesian proscription for reviving a moribund economy is to put idle resources to work through more government investment, and for many years economists have tried to figure out which investments offer the best bang for the buck by measuring fiscal multipliers, etc. But this approach assumes that a dollar of output is a dollar of output, when in reality—if we're doing economics, and not mere accounting—people often value a dollar's worth of one good very differently from a dollar's worth of another. (And a disparity between accounting value and economic value is likelier to exist when investment decisions are made by politicians, at a remove from the mainstream of economic activity.)
This suggests we should try to allocate stimulus spending in a way that mirrors as closely as possible the distribution of resources we'd get if our economy were chugging along at a good clip, with all our people and capital doing the things the market would arrange if were working properly. Greg Mankiw, the chairman of the Harvard economics department, wrote a paper with his colleague Matthew Weinzierl [0] a couple of years ago that tries to get at what that would look like. Their simple model suggests, unsurprisingly, that traditional make-work government investment programs should be a last resort: getting the same amount of money into the hands of investors and consumers who can allocate it more effectively might be, well, more effective.
0. http://scholar.harvard.edu/mankiw/files/exploration_of_optim... [PDF]
The idea that people can allocate resources for themselves better than somebody else can do for them has an interesting tie-in to today's debate about what policies we should pursue to stimulate economic growth. The basic Keynesian proscription for reviving a moribund economy is to put idle resources to work through more government investment, and for many years economists have tried to figure out which investments offer the best bang for the buck by measuring fiscal multipliers, etc. But this approach assumes that a dollar of output is a dollar of output, when in reality—if we're doing economics, and not mere accounting—people often value a dollar's worth of one good very differently from a dollar's worth of another. (And a disparity between accounting value and economic value is likelier to exist when investment decisions are made by politicians, at a remove from the mainstream of economic activity.)
This suggests we should try to allocate stimulus spending in a way that mirrors as closely as possible the distribution of resources we'd get if our economy were chugging along at a good clip, with all our people and capital doing the things the market would arrange if were working properly. Greg Mankiw, the chairman of the Harvard economics department, wrote a paper with his colleague Matthew Weinzierl [0] a couple of years ago that tries to get at what that would look like. Their simple model suggests, unsurprisingly, that traditional make-work government investment programs should be a last resort: getting the same amount of money into the hands of investors and consumers who can allocate it more effectively might be, well, more effective.
0. http://scholar.harvard.edu/mankiw/files/exploration_of_optim... [PDF]
I'd even go a step further. Do away with welfare, food stamps, unemployment insurance, minimum wage, etc. Instead, move to a basic income[1] system.
Everyone (well, every citizen between, say, 18 and 67, when Social Security kicks in) gets a guaranteed flat income from the government. Then raise income taxes accordingly such that the average middle class family more or less breaks even.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income
Everyone (well, every citizen between, say, 18 and 67, when Social Security kicks in) gets a guaranteed flat income from the government. Then raise income taxes accordingly such that the average middle class family more or less breaks even.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income
Can you explain why I as a citizen have to work 40 hours a week with overtime sometimes just so someone can receive a paycheck for free?
What is my benefit for such a compromise?
What is my benefit for such a compromise?
It gives you financial security if you decide to tell your employer to go fuck themselves if they want you to work too much overtime. Since you no longer absolutely need a job to live, you have a stronger negotiating position with employers.
The problem is that if everybody decides to tell their employers to go fuck themselves, nothing gets done, and then there are no goods and services to buy.
The majority of people have a basic need to work in some form or another, regardless of compensation.
And then the employers will have to stop abusing their employees to get them back.
Honest question: What do you do about those who make poor spending decisions and use credit card debt as a piggy bank? Wouldn't this simply provide them with more income that they then leverage into more debt?
Or is the argument that the social good created by BI would outweigh such cases?
Or is the argument that the social good created by BI would outweigh such cases?
This is a great idea. Giving directly to the poor will hopefully bypass corrupt entities, and essentially injects cash directly into the economy you're hoping to assist. In the case of a farmer or someone looking to start a business, even a small cash injection can make a big difference, and will immediately produce an impact.
The main risks of course to this plan is that the money could get spent on imported goods, which would transfer the cash back out of the local economy, or that it would get hoarded (or stolen). But cash injections are still the most effective means to stimulate an economy, especially small, local economies.
The main risks of course to this plan is that the money could get spent on imported goods, which would transfer the cash back out of the local economy, or that it would get hoarded (or stolen). But cash injections are still the most effective means to stimulate an economy, especially small, local economies.
"cash injections are still the most effective means to stimulate an economy, especially small, local economies."
The economist in me thinks the effectiveness of cash stimulus is still mostly inflated away if the economic problem is structural, especially when injections are unrelated to any productive improvements in small, local economies. To the extent this scheme works because the cash injections are occasional and unpredictable and landlords, local Big Men and monopoly local goods suppliers haven't yet found a way of creaming off most of the cash injection. I wish them all the best and hope the positive results their followup studies have shown reflect something other than weaknesses in study methodology, but unfortunately I think this is patching the symptoms and can't scale without adding in some more precisely-targeted larger-scale aid.
The economist in me thinks the effectiveness of cash stimulus is still mostly inflated away if the economic problem is structural, especially when injections are unrelated to any productive improvements in small, local economies. To the extent this scheme works because the cash injections are occasional and unpredictable and landlords, local Big Men and monopoly local goods suppliers haven't yet found a way of creaming off most of the cash injection. I wish them all the best and hope the positive results their followup studies have shown reflect something other than weaknesses in study methodology, but unfortunately I think this is patching the symptoms and can't scale without adding in some more precisely-targeted larger-scale aid.
It's great to see GiveDirectly getting more attention. From my limited interactions with Paul Niehaus, he seemed quite competent and rightly focused on ensuring that the system remains free from corruption.
You know how Steve Jobs said, "Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life"?
Well, I agree, and I take that idea very seriously. People should keep their money (earned by trading time from their lives), and use it to make the most of their own lives.
Moral credit ought to go to those who create the most, not to those that give up everything. Contrary to what your mother will tell you, giving money to charity does not make you a better person. But creating things and otherwise making the most of your life (you only have one), does.
If you want to give money to charity, make sure you're doing it for the right reason (i.e., because you know that the specific cause you're supporting will make your own life better), and that you have enough money so that you're not sacrificing your primary values (your own goals, family, friends, for example) by doing so.
Don't give up the one life you have, or any part of it - it's yours, and it's all you've got.
Well, I agree, and I take that idea very seriously. People should keep their money (earned by trading time from their lives), and use it to make the most of their own lives.
Moral credit ought to go to those who create the most, not to those that give up everything. Contrary to what your mother will tell you, giving money to charity does not make you a better person. But creating things and otherwise making the most of your life (you only have one), does.
If you want to give money to charity, make sure you're doing it for the right reason (i.e., because you know that the specific cause you're supporting will make your own life better), and that you have enough money so that you're not sacrificing your primary values (your own goals, family, friends, for example) by doing so.
Don't give up the one life you have, or any part of it - it's yours, and it's all you've got.
Not everyone subscribes to such a dark, cynical view of the world. I realize that there are thousands of invisible advantages I have over an identical me born in Africa. Giving to charity is a small way of shrinking the gap.
There is nothing dark or cynical in what I have said. What is dark about "live the best life you can live" and "make the most of what you've got"?
Fact: to achieve your own goals, you need 100% of your time, money and effort.
Fact: to achieve your own goals, you need 100% of your time, money and effort.
> Fact: to achieve your own goals, you need 100% of your time, money and effort.
Fact: its possible for one's own goals to include improving other people's quality of life.
Fact: its possible for one's own goals to include improving other people's quality of life.
Sticking Fact: in front of something doesn't make it true.
Living your best life, and achieving your own goals, doesn't mean ignoring everyone else in the world's well-being (for most values of "your own goals" and "your best life").
Living your best life, and achieving your own goals, doesn't mean ignoring everyone else in the world's well-being (for most values of "your own goals" and "your best life").
Anyone who believes that charity and giving are not morally good actions clearly has a warped and extremely cynical worldview.
Straw man. Charity and giving are morally neutral actions. On its own, charity doesn't improve your life.
Remember, the purpose of morality to guide you so that you can enjoy a good life. A morality (that's good for life) should not tell you to suffer, give up what you care about and die.
Remember, the purpose of morality to guide you so that you can enjoy a good life. A morality (that's good for life) should not tell you to suffer, give up what you care about and die.
> Remember, the purpose of morality to guide you so that you can enjoy a good life.
This statement itself is a controversial moral position, rather than a universally-accepted statement of the purpose of morality.
This statement itself is a controversial moral position, rather than a universally-accepted statement of the purpose of morality.
It depends. In America, most people agree with my statement. Elsewhere, sometimes, but not necessarily.
But so what? There is no universally-accepted statement of anything, anywhere. The choice each of us has when reading anything is: "well, what do I think about this?" And for that, the number of people that agree or disagree is irrelevant.
But so what? There is no universally-accepted statement of anything, anywhere. The choice each of us has when reading anything is: "well, what do I think about this?" And for that, the number of people that agree or disagree is irrelevant.
> It depends
No, claims about the "purpose of morality" are non-factual statements of personal preference in any context. It doesn't depend.
> In America, most people agree with my statement.
Aside from the fact that this is irrelevant, I see no evidence that this is true.
> But so what? There is no universally-accepted statement of anything, anywhere.
There's a categorical difference between logical claims (which are abstract and which are true or false independent of factual context), fact claims (which are, in principal at least, subject to objective validation as true or false), and value (including moral) claims (which are statements of personal preference).
The problem with your claim about the purpose of morality is that it presented a value claim as if it were a true statement of fact.
No, claims about the "purpose of morality" are non-factual statements of personal preference in any context. It doesn't depend.
> In America, most people agree with my statement.
Aside from the fact that this is irrelevant, I see no evidence that this is true.
> But so what? There is no universally-accepted statement of anything, anywhere.
There's a categorical difference between logical claims (which are abstract and which are true or false independent of factual context), fact claims (which are, in principal at least, subject to objective validation as true or false), and value (including moral) claims (which are statements of personal preference).
The problem with your claim about the purpose of morality is that it presented a value claim as if it were a true statement of fact.
No, claims about the "purpose of morality" are non-factual statements of personal preference in any context.
Well, you lost me there. When I choose not to lie to my family and friends, or when I deal with others justly, I am behaving that way (i.e., morally) because I want a good, long, happy life. It is not a matter of "personal preference." (It is absurd to say, "It is merely my personal preference to live well by honest means. Others may choose differently, and live well by dishonest means.") If I lied to my wife, or cheated a customer out of money, I would suffer, and that's an inescapable fact. (If you don't understand this point, just ask and I'll explain why.)
Show me someone, out here in reality that lives a good, long and happy life by lying to his spouse, cheating his customers, and stealing to top it off at night. Or even someone that just does one of the three, occasionally.
There's a categorical difference between logical claims (which are abstract and which are true or false independent of factual context), fact claims (which are, in principal at least, subject to objective validation as true or false), and value (including moral) claims (which are statements of personal preference).
Sigh. In relation to an individual person's life, for every is, this is an ought. For example, suppose that I am driving my car down the highway. There is a giant boulder in the middle of the road ahead. If I want to live, I ought to slow down and turn to avoid it. So much for Hume!
Well, you lost me there. When I choose not to lie to my family and friends, or when I deal with others justly, I am behaving that way (i.e., morally) because I want a good, long, happy life. It is not a matter of "personal preference." (It is absurd to say, "It is merely my personal preference to live well by honest means. Others may choose differently, and live well by dishonest means.") If I lied to my wife, or cheated a customer out of money, I would suffer, and that's an inescapable fact. (If you don't understand this point, just ask and I'll explain why.)
Show me someone, out here in reality that lives a good, long and happy life by lying to his spouse, cheating his customers, and stealing to top it off at night. Or even someone that just does one of the three, occasionally.
There's a categorical difference between logical claims (which are abstract and which are true or false independent of factual context), fact claims (which are, in principal at least, subject to objective validation as true or false), and value (including moral) claims (which are statements of personal preference).
Sigh. In relation to an individual person's life, for every is, this is an ought. For example, suppose that I am driving my car down the highway. There is a giant boulder in the middle of the road ahead. If I want to live, I ought to slow down and turn to avoid it. So much for Hume!
"Remember, the purpose of morality to guide you so that you can enjoy a good life."
Yet almost every moral code condemns murder. What does that have to do with ensuring that I personally live a good life?
Yet almost every moral code condemns murder. What does that have to do with ensuring that I personally live a good life?
Just try and imagine for a moment what actually happens to a murderer evading justice.
Even a psychopath will worry about the evidence they've invariably left behind, which leads to getting caught. A life of constant, nagging doubt is not a good life. Can you imagine trying to plan for the long-term under those (self-created) circumstances? "Well, maybe I'll major in Geology. ...that is, if they don't catch me first," or "maybe I'll buy this house. It has a 30-year mortgage, so when I pay it off, I'll be able to travel to New Zealand, just like I've always wanted. ...that is, if they don't catch me first," and "I wonder if that new forensic technique will implicate me. I sure hope not!"
A criminal will grow uncomfortable every time something reminds him of his crimes, because, short of coming clean and turning himself in, the only way to escape the above mental processes is to evade it altogether, and that means shutting out anything that might remind him of his crime. This includes an ever-increasing array of things, many of which would only be tangentially associated with the original act. Escaping knowledge of reality becomes a deeply ingrained mental habit. Lies to other people are inevitably required in this pursuit.
Most people are not psychopaths, so there is an additional and deeply emotional dimension to the above for them. They will feel terrible, and deeply guilty for the rest of their lives. Actual happiness is an impossibility in that state...
Isn't all of this obvious?
Even a psychopath will worry about the evidence they've invariably left behind, which leads to getting caught. A life of constant, nagging doubt is not a good life. Can you imagine trying to plan for the long-term under those (self-created) circumstances? "Well, maybe I'll major in Geology. ...that is, if they don't catch me first," or "maybe I'll buy this house. It has a 30-year mortgage, so when I pay it off, I'll be able to travel to New Zealand, just like I've always wanted. ...that is, if they don't catch me first," and "I wonder if that new forensic technique will implicate me. I sure hope not!"
A criminal will grow uncomfortable every time something reminds him of his crimes, because, short of coming clean and turning himself in, the only way to escape the above mental processes is to evade it altogether, and that means shutting out anything that might remind him of his crime. This includes an ever-increasing array of things, many of which would only be tangentially associated with the original act. Escaping knowledge of reality becomes a deeply ingrained mental habit. Lies to other people are inevitably required in this pursuit.
Most people are not psychopaths, so there is an additional and deeply emotional dimension to the above for them. They will feel terrible, and deeply guilty for the rest of their lives. Actual happiness is an impossibility in that state...
Isn't all of this obvious?
I don't know if that was what you wanted to imply, but what Afforess said is precisely why there is a lot of people who think that Ayn Rand had, well, a warped and extremely cynical worldview.
It was a quick confirmation in case there was any doubt.
Most people's own goals actually include enriching the lives of other people, even if those people aren't directly or indirectly willing and able to pay for it.
There are those who require 100% of their money to simply achieve their personal consumption goals but -whether financially or emotionally- they're very poor.
There are those who require 100% of their money to simply achieve their personal consumption goals but -whether financially or emotionally- they're very poor.
Well, the best life I could live does not include everyone else in the city around me being homeless and destitute. So, helping others can in fact help me achieve my own goals. I'd like to believe that I am not the only person that holds these goals.
Well, depending on your goals. I'm doing a pretty good job meeting mine with the resources I've got, so I don't mind kicking in a bit to give other people the opportunity to do the same.
"Fact: to achieve your own goals, you need 100% of your time, money and effort."
Well, this guy would disagree:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_ford
Well, this guy would disagree:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_ford
Giving money to charity does not make you a better person, but is a common act of better people. It is interesting that you defined a philosophy where a person should take moral credit for never outgrowing their infantile narcissism. But Steve Jobs is a strange moral model, since some people believe he was simply amoral. Personally, I think it is often the primitive, constant focus on self that prevents us from making the most of our lives.
What if my goal is to leave the world in better shape than how it was when I arrived in it? It could certainly be called "selfish" still but I see no reason at all why helping others should take away from your own self-improvement. In fact IMHO the most I've ever improved myself has been under the aegis of service.
For me it is pretty dark even imagining being able to just ignore the needs of others.
"People should keep their money (earned by trading time from their lives)"
What about people born into wealth, who inherited the money their parents or grandparents earned by doing something useful for society? Where do they fit into your picture?
On the flip side, what about people who cannot find any job that pays enough for them to save money, who are literally living paycheck to paycheck. Do you want to live in a society where we have a class of people who have no social mobility at all, and who lack the power needed to change anything about that?
Ayn Rand's image of the heroic capitalist who amasses a fortune by solving society's problems is very unrealistic. Even people like Mike Bloomberg and Bill Gates, billionaires whose fortunes were amassed as a result of their own work, received help early on. Who do you think paid for Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg to go to Harvard, where they met the people that worked with them to build their businesses?
What about people born into wealth, who inherited the money their parents or grandparents earned by doing something useful for society? Where do they fit into your picture?
On the flip side, what about people who cannot find any job that pays enough for them to save money, who are literally living paycheck to paycheck. Do you want to live in a society where we have a class of people who have no social mobility at all, and who lack the power needed to change anything about that?
Ayn Rand's image of the heroic capitalist who amasses a fortune by solving society's problems is very unrealistic. Even people like Mike Bloomberg and Bill Gates, billionaires whose fortunes were amassed as a result of their own work, received help early on. Who do you think paid for Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg to go to Harvard, where they met the people that worked with them to build their businesses?
> What about people born into wealth, who inherited the money their parents or grandparents earned by doing something useful for society?
There isn't really any difference. The parents kept the money they earned, and (quite rationally) chose to spend it on giving the children an economic advantage (that the children, more often than not, could not have earned for themselves.) To tax the children is to tax the parents.
There isn't really any difference. The parents kept the money they earned, and (quite rationally) chose to spend it on giving the children an economic advantage (that the children, more often than not, could not have earned for themselves.) To tax the children is to tax the parents.
"The parents kept the money they earned, and (quite rationally) chose to spend it on giving the children an economic advantage (that the children, more often than not, could not have earned for themselves.)"
So the children, who could not have earned that money themselves, should get it anyway? Why are they particularly special -- why not redistribute money to other people who have trouble earning their way? Why does the fact that you are someone's descendant someone exempt you from having to earn your way just like everyone else?
So the children, who could not have earned that money themselves, should get it anyway? Why are they particularly special -- why not redistribute money to other people who have trouble earning their way? Why does the fact that you are someone's descendant someone exempt you from having to earn your way just like everyone else?
That depends whether you agree with the parents having the choice of how the money they earned is used. My point is that if we take the money from the children on the grounds that they do not deserve it, we implicitly deny the parents that choice. Which may be what you want. But if you do give them the choice of how to spend what they earn, you must accept that they may choose to spend it on people (or charities, or products etc.) that you consider undeserving.
Why ought moral credit go to those who make the most, regardless of the opportunities that they're given? Americans and Western Europeans, on average, start from an advantageous position compared to those in poor regions.
As a side note, it seems quite plausible to me that redistribution from the "lucky" to the "unlucky" will result in a growing pie for all, though perhaps it won't grow to the extent that the very lucky are better off than if the redistribution didn't happen.
By all means be a miser if that makes you feel better, but don't cloak your actions in "morality".
As a side note, it seems quite plausible to me that redistribution from the "lucky" to the "unlucky" will result in a growing pie for all, though perhaps it won't grow to the extent that the very lucky are better off than if the redistribution didn't happen.
By all means be a miser if that makes you feel better, but don't cloak your actions in "morality".
Why ought moral credit go to those who make the most, regardless of the opportunities that they're given?
Opportunities are not "given". I don't go to work thinking, "just look at all the opportunity I'm creating for other people by contributing to industrial civilization."
Rawls is wrong. The idea that "you didn't earn your brain, your family, your upbringing, etc." is completely in error because the concept "earn" only applies to situations where choice is involved. In reality, "earn" distinguishes the hardworking doctor or construction worker from a 30-year old man that won't get a job and still lives with his parents.
I say that if you make the most of what you've got, it doesn't matter if you started out with $5 or $5e7. What matters is that you make the most of the opportunities that are out there. What matters is how much you improve your lot.
I say that the purpose of morality is to have a happy life, here on earth. It sounds like you are against "enjoy yourself and live."
Edit: Here I give the answer to most of the people that are downvoting me. Clicking the down arrow to shut out other viewpoints won't help anyone get to the truth on the matter.
Opportunities are not "given". I don't go to work thinking, "just look at all the opportunity I'm creating for other people by contributing to industrial civilization."
Rawls is wrong. The idea that "you didn't earn your brain, your family, your upbringing, etc." is completely in error because the concept "earn" only applies to situations where choice is involved. In reality, "earn" distinguishes the hardworking doctor or construction worker from a 30-year old man that won't get a job and still lives with his parents.
I say that if you make the most of what you've got, it doesn't matter if you started out with $5 or $5e7. What matters is that you make the most of the opportunities that are out there. What matters is how much you improve your lot.
I say that the purpose of morality is to have a happy life, here on earth. It sounds like you are against "enjoy yourself and live."
Edit: Here I give the answer to most of the people that are downvoting me. Clicking the down arrow to shut out other viewpoints won't help anyone get to the truth on the matter.
We should, of course, incentivize people to work hard, and I'm certainly not against enjoying life! I'm also not suggesting that people take vows of poverty, or try to move society towards a Harrison Bergeron-esque dystopia. Like I said, keep every last cent of your money if it means so much to you!
However, success in today's world is not driven solely by "creating value" for a variety of reasons. Don't succumb to the "just world" fallacy - it's easy to moralize about how the unsuccessful must be lazy, but applying a little bit of critical thinking should make it clear that a rural shepherd in a third world country isn't necessarily poor because he "chooses" not to work hard and become a surgeon. Indeed, well-targeted charity may increase the returns to hard work.
However, success in today's world is not driven solely by "creating value" for a variety of reasons. Don't succumb to the "just world" fallacy - it's easy to moralize about how the unsuccessful must be lazy, but applying a little bit of critical thinking should make it clear that a rural shepherd in a third world country isn't necessarily poor because he "chooses" not to work hard and become a surgeon. Indeed, well-targeted charity may increase the returns to hard work.
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The quote you started off with directly contradicts the rest of your post. You say people should live the life they want to, then you tell people how they should live their lives.
If someone wants to donate money to charity, they should donate money to charity. That's the life they want to live.
If someone wants to donate money to charity, they should donate money to charity. That's the life they want to live.
I suggest you spend an hour at your local cancer hospital or orphanage, cause I have personally seen, stronger views than this, melt away in minutes.
Helping others is deeply ingrained in our nature. But ofcourse, there are Kobe Bryant's out there being brought up by eskimos, who have no concept of basketball.
Helping others is deeply ingrained in our nature. But ofcourse, there are Kobe Bryant's out there being brought up by eskimos, who have no concept of basketball.
I just think you should spend money in a way that maximizes your own happiness.
Studies indicate that spending money on others is one of the best ways to increase your own happiness. I don't have references handy, but check out the book "Happy Money: The Science of Smarter Spending." That is loaded with references to studies that support that claim.
Studies indicate that spending money on others is one of the best ways to increase your own happiness. I don't have references handy, but check out the book "Happy Money: The Science of Smarter Spending." That is loaded with references to studies that support that claim.
I read SJ's quote as about being intentional in the things you choose to do and to not let other people's expectations guide your life choices. This is orthogonal to whether or not a person chooses to donate money/time to others.
I think yours is a pretty selfish viewpoint. I wonder how world war II soldiers would feel about what you say.
I think yours is a pretty selfish viewpoint. I wonder how world war II soldiers would feel about what you say.
Altruism or selflessness is the principle or practice of concern for the welfare of others. It is a traditional virtue in many cultures and a core aspect of various religious traditions, though the concept of "others" toward whom concern should be directed can vary among cultures and religions. Altruism or selflessness is the opposite of selfishness. [1]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism
a solipsist's life is far from an ethical one.
you mention creating, but nowhere do you mention who one should create for. the ethical reason for creating a product is to better others lives, not your own.
you also suggest that bettering others' lives does not better your own:
>i.e., because you know that the specific cause you're supporting will make your own life better
this ignores the joy that most people experience when they genuinely help others, the sense of community people feel when they come together as a group for a cause, and the feeling of hope that your community service or charity may impart on those who are less fortunate than you can likely imagine.
assisting a charity is not 'giving up' your life for most. It's enriching it.
As an aside, your comment detracts from the value of charity to begin with, when the article is about whether or not a specific _form_ of charity is more beneficial than others. I think your comment adds little to the discussion and ignores the content of the article entirely.
you mention creating, but nowhere do you mention who one should create for. the ethical reason for creating a product is to better others lives, not your own.
you also suggest that bettering others' lives does not better your own:
>i.e., because you know that the specific cause you're supporting will make your own life better
this ignores the joy that most people experience when they genuinely help others, the sense of community people feel when they come together as a group for a cause, and the feeling of hope that your community service or charity may impart on those who are less fortunate than you can likely imagine.
assisting a charity is not 'giving up' your life for most. It's enriching it.
As an aside, your comment detracts from the value of charity to begin with, when the article is about whether or not a specific _form_ of charity is more beneficial than others. I think your comment adds little to the discussion and ignores the content of the article entirely.
Many people derive great personal satisfaction from giving to others...
He has decided that this is how he will make the most of his own life.
What makes your life worth more than other peoples?
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Pretty sure that almost all charities and welfare related groups see a spike in improvement of the lives of individuals on the onset of their service. The problem usually becomes dependence on the system. Could someone illustrate how this implementation solves the issue of dependence?
The payments are of a fixed amount ($1K, spread over 1-2 years), so recipients know that they won't continue to receive money indefinitely. It probably also helps that a significant fraction of the money appears to be spent on durable home improvements (e.g. tin roofs) rather than ongoing costs. See the FAQ (http://www.givedirectly.org/faqs.php) for more details.
Excellent. Having grown up in East Africa and seeing first hand how UNHCR, WHO, UNICEF etc actually worked; I've always thought this would be the best way.
Kudos to Google's top brass, you employees should be proud to work for a company like this!
Kudos to Google's top brass, you employees should be proud to work for a company like this!
A recent Planet Money talked about this exact issue:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/05/21/185801589/episode-...
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/05/21/185801589/episode-...
"Typically people who live in mud huts with thatched roofs – and uses a system called M-Pesa, run by Vodafone , to transfer money to their cell phones."
People in mud huts have cell phones?
People in mud huts have cell phones?
The phrase "mud huts" evokes a primitive pastoral lifestyle, but there are a lot of places where mud brick is simply a sensible building material. I have stayed in a "mud hut" in Africa which had running water and electricity; this was common to all the houses in the neighborhood. They were nice big places, plenty of air and light, with ordinary doors and furniture and whatnot, that just happened to be built out of great big slabs of mud. They build this way not because they lack more sophisticated technology, but because mud bricks are an effective, economical technology well suited to their environment.
Disadvantage of charities is that only approximately 10% of donated money are making it directly to the cause.
Disadvantage of giving money directly to the poor is that half of them will end up buying pot, booze or getting robbed.
Disadvantage of giving money directly to the poor is that half of them will end up buying pot, booze or getting robbed.
> Disadvantage of charities is that only approximately 10% of donated money are making it directly to the cause.
93% of a donation to GiveDirect will end up in the hands of the recipient.
> Disadvantage of giving money directly to the poor is that half of them will end up buying pot, booze or getting robbed.
Nope to the first two, I don't know about theft, but they have no reported incidents of violence (they perform follow up calls)
http://www.givedirectly.org/pdf/litreview_2.pdf
They've performed randomised trials to see if the money makes a difference, and find that it's making a huge difference to peoples lives.
93% of a donation to GiveDirect will end up in the hands of the recipient.
> Disadvantage of giving money directly to the poor is that half of them will end up buying pot, booze or getting robbed.
Nope to the first two, I don't know about theft, but they have no reported incidents of violence (they perform follow up calls)
http://www.givedirectly.org/pdf/litreview_2.pdf
They've performed randomised trials to see if the money makes a difference, and find that it's making a huge difference to peoples lives.
Even in the "robbed" case, as a general rule, the wealthy aren't wandering the streets mugging people. That money is going to get spent on goods and services somewhere along the way, at least providing economic stimulus.
Please read up on this particular charity. Because of the way they target the aid, they seem to be largely free of the ill effects you imagine.
This one homeless guy came up to me the other day, and he was asking me for money. I was about to give it to him, and then I thought, ‘He’s just gonna use it on drugs or alcohol.’ And then I thought, ‘That’s what I’m gonna use it on. Who am I to judge the guy, really?’ -Greg Giraldo
http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/xo5zry/stand-up-gre...
http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/xo5zry/stand-up-gre...
I work at an NGO and have worked at a bunch of non-profits and can say that stat is simply not the case. Sure you have some organizations where a lot of the money is absorbed into various 'administrative' charges, but any good charity will have at least 75% of their money go to program costs. The best will often to around 90% of all their income going to programmatic costs.
If they want to "give directly" why not just hand people cash?
Hopefully, with the success of such charities in developing countries we will see increasing support for such systems here at home, allowing people to escape the vicious unemployment trap of western economies.
(Edit) Additionally, the implementation of basic income at this point would be extremely effective, as it would leverage the massive revolution in freely available online education (e.g. Khan Academy, EdX, Udacity, Coursera) and cooperative workspaces (e.g. hackerspaces). This would effectively transform the entire country into a startup incubator, giving those with the desire and talent to build new companies the resources to do so immediately, without going through the excruciatingly slow, inefficient and oftentimes counterproductive process of formal education.